Atheism is a faith

[Free South Califas]

I'm an atheist.
They only believe in facts religiously.
I objected to your statement that atheists only beleive in facts. That isn't true.

Quit with the pissing match already. You acted like a dick, you were called out on it, now get over it please so we can move on with the thread topic.

[Multiflow]

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[Buddha Punk Robot Monks]

Yes, faith in not taking things on faith. That is, atheists trust (ie have faith) that there is nothings to be known in the universe that cannot be known without evidence,

No. No faith is required to accept the null hypothesis by default; that is accomplished through reason. You are twisting the word around to the point where it hardly means anything.

For example, I have no faith whatsoever in the proposition that frogs are incapable of wielding swords. I do not place my faith in the notion that frogs are incapable of wielding swords. Never have I believed such a thing. However, I accept that frogs cannot wield swords.

I'm not talking about having faith in the null hypothesis. I'm talking about having faith that always having the nully hypothesis as a default until more evidence received is a wise and reasonable position to adopt. That is, atheists have faith that believing in atheism is a good way to live life.

This BTW is common to all our ideologies.

[Choronzon]

By missing his?

No. The same holds true for both sides.

No, it doesn't.

One side has a verifiable method to test their claims repeatedly. One side has a book and their word. And you sit here and tell me that theyre the same?

[Individuality-ness]

I'm an atheist.
I objected to your statement that atheists only beleive in facts. That isn't true.

They only believe in facts religiously.

Still wrong.

[Free South Califas]

No. No faith is required to accept the null hypothesis by default; that is accomplished through reason. You are twisting the word around to the point where it hardly means anything.

For example, I have no faith whatsoever in the proposition that frogs are incapable of wielding swords. I do not place my faith in the notion that frogs are incapable of wielding swords. Never have I believed such a thing. However, I accept that frogs cannot wield swords.

I'm not talking about having faith in the null hypothesis. I'm talking about having faith that always having the nully hypothesis as a default until more evidence received is a wise and reasonable position to adopt.

No faith is required; it is accomplished through reason alone.

This BTW is common to all our ideologies.

Source.

[Individuality-ness]

No. No faith is required to accept the null hypothesis by default; that is accomplished through reason. You are twisting the word around to the point where it hardly means anything.

For example, I have no faith whatsoever in the proposition that frogs are incapable of wielding swords. I do not place my faith in the notion that frogs are incapable of wielding swords. Never have I believed such a thing. However, I accept that frogs cannot wield swords.

I'm not talking about having faith in the null hypothesis. I'm talking about having faith that always having the nully hypothesis as a default until more evidence received is a wise and reasonable position to adopt. That is, atheists have faith that believing in atheism is a good way to live life.

This BTW is common to all our ideologies.

I read this a few times, and yet I still don't understand your meaning.

[Xathranaar]

No. No faith is required to accept the null hypothesis by default; that is accomplished through reason. You are twisting the word around to the point where it hardly means anything.

For example, I have no faith whatsoever in the proposition that frogs are incapable of wielding swords. I do not place my faith in the notion that frogs are incapable of wielding swords. Never have I believed such a thing. However, I accept that frogs cannot wield swords.

I'm not talking about having faith in the null hypothesis. I'm talking about having faith that always having the nully hypothesis as a default until more evidence received is a wise and reasonable position to adopt. That is, atheists have faith that believing in atheism is a good way to live life.

This BTW is common to all our ideologies.

I know many atheists who wish they were not. You seem to be spending an enormous amount of energy trying to paint atheists into your preconceptions.

[Buddha Punk Robot Monks]

I'm not talking about having faith in the null hypothesis. I'm talking about having faith that always having the nully hypothesis as a default until more evidence received is a wise and reasonable position to adopt.

No faith is required; it is accomplished through reason alone.

Faith is involved in reason, if only that we have faith that our conclusions are valid.

This BTW is common to all our ideologies.

Source.

Life.

[Copenhagen Metropolis]

If atheists don't have faith but do believe in facts (which is a falsity, anyway), then why do they choose to ignore the following facts?

- Approximately 85% of the world's population (estimates range from between 80% and 90%) practices a religion or otherwise establishes a faith - just over one billion people, out of seven billion.
- Christianity, as a whole, has just over twice the following of all forms of irreligion, with more than two billion followers. Islam is also more widely practiced than the lack of religion.
- Nearly half (probably closer to 40%) of non-religious people hold belief in a higher power, but simply don't have a religious preference. This would indicate that there are just over five hundred million atheists/antitheists/apatheists.

Am I to understand that just 8% of the world's population (and a still minor 16% of the U.S.'s) seeks to dismiss very widely held beliefs as irrational? Oh, my God! /badpun

That is truly one of the most ignorant posts I've ever seen

[Xathranaar]

No faith is required; it is accomplished through reason alone.

Faith is involved in reason, if only that we have faith that our conclusions are valid.

"Men educated in [the critical habit of thought] … are slow to believe. They can hold things as possible or probable in all degrees, without certainty and without pain." - William Graham Summer

Source.

Life.

Funny, that same source is telling me that you're talking out of your ass.

[Buddha Punk Robot Monks]

I'm not talking about having faith in the null hypothesis. I'm talking about having faith that always having the nully hypothesis as a default until more evidence received is a wise and reasonable position to adopt. That is, atheists have faith that believing in atheism is a good way to live life.

This BTW is common to all our ideologies.

I know many atheists who wish they were not. You seem to be spending an enormous amount of energy trying to paint atheists into your preconceptions.

Then why are they atheists? If they maintain there atheism while still having a strong desire to not be atheist, then they must have faith in the validity of their position.

[EnragedMaldivians]

No faith is required; it is accomplished through reason alone.

Faith is involved in reason, if only that we have faith that our conclusions are valid.

Source.

Life.

Your definition of faith encompasses all belief and all lack of belief. You've made it a meaningless word.

[Xathranaar]

I know many atheists who wish they were not. You seem to be spending an enormous amount of energy trying to paint atheists into your preconceptions.

Then why are they atheists? If they maintain there atheism while still having a strong desire to not be atheist, then they must have faith in the validity of their position.

They're atheists because, get this, they can't make themselves believe something they don't.

Some of us are funny that way.

[Buddha Punk Robot Monks]

Faith is involved in reason, if only that we have faith that our conclusions are valid.

"Men educated in [the critical habit of thought] … are slow to believe. They can hold things as possible or probable in all degrees, without certainty and without pain." - William Graham Summer

Life.

Funny, that same source is telling me that you're talking out of your ass.

Faith does not always have to involve certainty.

[Individuality-ness]

No faith is required; it is accomplished through reason alone.

Faith is involved in reason, if only that we have faith that our conclusions are valid.

Wut?

Source.

Life.

Source is invalid. Try again.

[Individuality-ness]

"Men educated in [the critical habit of thought] … are slow to believe. They can hold things as possible or probable in all degrees, without certainty and without pain." - William Graham Summer


Funny, that same source is telling me that you're talking out of your ass.

Faith does not always have to involve certainty.

... that's the definition OF faith. Absolute trust/certainty.

[EnragedMaldivians]

I know many atheists who wish they were not. You seem to be spending an enormous amount of energy trying to paint atheists into your preconceptions.

Then why are they atheists? If they maintain there atheism while still having a strong desire to not be atheist, then they must have faith in the validity of their position.

This is silly. If I have a strong desire for a million dollars to be buried underneath the ground just near where I live, lacking the belief that there is indeed a million dollars buried underneath the ground just near where I live - is not a type of faith.

[Buddha Punk Robot Monks]

Faith is involved in reason, if only that we have faith that our conclusions are valid.



Life.

Your definition of faith encompasses all belief and all lack of belief. You've made it a meaningless word.

Faith is not belief, faith is trust. You can believe something without trusting in it. However at a most basic level we trust our senses (at least most of the time) and our basic outlook on life.

[Curiosityness]

Saying atheism is a faith is like saying not collecting coins is a hobby

[Ordya]

Your definition of faith encompasses all belief and all lack of belief. You've made it a meaningless word.

Faith is not belief, faith is trust. You can believe something without trusting in it. However at a most basic level we trust our senses (at least most of the time) and our basic outlook on life.

No

[Xathranaar]

"Men educated in [the critical habit of thought] … are slow to believe. They can hold things as possible or probable in all degrees, without certainty and without pain." - William Graham Summer


Funny, that same source is telling me that you're talking out of your ass.

Faith does not always have to involve certainty.

Look, I'm going to make this very simple: Does it require faith for me to assume that gravity will still be working when next I step foot outside? Because that's sort of the baseline for how my beliefs work. They are consistently indicated true when tested.

Now your answer can be whatever you like, but realize that if you are going to call that faith, then your definition is so demented as to be useless.

[Grave_n_idle]

If atheists don't have faith but do believe in facts (which is a falsity, anyway), then why do they choose to ignore the following facts?

- Approximately 85% of the world's population (estimates range from between 80% and 90%) practices a religion or otherwise establishes a faith - just over one billion people, out of seven billion.
- Christianity, as a whole, has just over twice the following of all forms of irreligion, with more than two billion followers. Islam is also more widely practiced than the lack of religion.
- Nearly half (probably closer to 40%) of non-religious people hold belief in a higher power, but simply don't have a religious preference. This would indicate that there are just over five hundred million atheists/antitheists/apatheists.

Am I to understand that just 8% of the world's population (and a still minor 16% of the U.S.'s) seeks to dismiss very widely held beliefs as irrational? Oh, my God! /badpun

Not sure what the point is supposed to be.

Atheists aren't unaware that there are billions of religious people - they just don't share their beliefs.

Where's the problem with that?

[Ordya]

Saying atheism is a faith is like saying not collecting coins is a hobby

That joke is so old, you deserve to be shot

[Agymnum]

Faith does not always have to involve certainty.

... that's the definition OF faith. Absolute trust/certainty.

This. I have faith in nothing, except perhaps taxes and death.

Well, that and birth (since without birth I would not exist).

Otherwise, none of my beliefs are concrete. I once was a "fuck the worker" Capitalist; I am now a "fuck the rich" Socialist. I was once a "God is right" Christian; I am now a "God doesn't exist" Atheist.