Atheism is a faith

[Ifreann]

A long time ago people didn't know the shape of the Earth. They simply didn't have the answer. So they assumed that the Earth was probably flat like a pancake. Obviously we got smarter and we now know that the Earth was in fact, not flat like a pancake.

It didn't really involve us getting any smarter at all. We just got more evidence and had more people with the time and inclination to ponder things like the shape of the Earth.

[Copenhagen Metropolis]

A long time ago people didn't know the shape of the Earth. They simply didn't have the answer. So they assumed that the Earth was probably flat like a pancake. Obviously we got smarter and we now know that the Earth was in fact, not flat like a pancake.

It didn't really involve us getting any smarter at all. We just got more evidence and had more people with the time and inclination to ponder things like the shape of the Earth.

Stating the obvious much? Smart, wise, whatever - I was being pretty clear.

[Czechanada]

every human must believe in something

Because there are no nihilists.

That is true. They all died with Nietzche.

[Maurepas]

Faith, by definition, requires one believe in something without evidence and without reservation.

Atheism, by definition, is the lack of belief(strike one against faith), and as a general rule it is due to the fact that there is no evidence(i.e. a requirement for evidence and reason is present). (Strike two against faith).

QED.

[Antrema]

A statue will be created of Richard Dawkins in the future, the pioneering entity dominating all of the athiest faith. Those who do not worship the idol of Dawkins in his athiestic glory will be slain.

[Multiflow]

every human must believe in something

Because there are no nihilists.

I don't see what you did there.

[Tekania]

Indeed, if lack of faith is faith, then lack of money is money and those that are poor are really millionaires.

[Ifreann]

Indeed, if lack of faith is faith, then lack of money is money and those that are poor are really millionaires.

U mad, economics?

[Tekania]

Indeed, if lack of faith is faith, then lack of money is money and those that are poor are really millionaires.

U mad, economics?

Yes, I mean, think of how much "no money" they have!

[Zottistan]

Let's say I have a dice. This dice has four blue sides and two red. Would it be faith to say that it's more likely that I'll roll a blue? No. It'd be faith to say that it'd always roll blue, but that's not the point. Agnostic atheism is not a faith,

[Enadail]

Let's say I have a dice. This dice has four blue sides and two red. Would it be faith to say that it's more likely that I'll roll a blue? No. It'd be faith to say that it'd always roll blue, but that's not the point. Agnostic atheism is not a faith,

Even gnostic atheism is not a faith. Its just a harder stance. Its the null stance.

[Zottistan]

Let's say I have a dice. This dice has four blue sides and two red. Would it be faith to say that it's more likely that I'll roll a blue? No. It'd be faith to say that it'd always roll blue, but that's not the point. Agnostic atheism is not a faith,

Even gnostic atheism is not a faith. Its just a harder stance. Its the null stance.

The null stance is not definitely true, just the most logical choice. If you're not certain, it's, to some degree, a faith.

[Enadail]

Even gnostic atheism is not a faith. Its just a harder stance. Its the null stance.

The null stance is not definitely true, just the most logical choice. If you're not certain, it's, to some degree, a faith.

Meh... while that's technically true, for practical purposes, its not. Anymore then someone saying leprechauns don't exist (gnostic a-leprechaun-ist?) has faith they don't exist. While the null stance is not an absolute, in many if not most cases, for all practical purposes, it is definitive.

[Chinese Regions]

here is what I think yes Atheism is a religion but I don't understand how they have faith that God doesn't exist but they can't have faith in God. Because believing that the universe was started by an explosion takes a lot more faith than believing that God created it.I mean what caused the explosion and if it was an atom how was that atom created I mean eventually it has to lead to God because it just makes sense sometimes. so yes atheism is faith but it takes a lot more faith to believe in atheism than to believe in Christianity

1. It's not a religion, you can be religious and Athiest and theist and irreligious
2. Nope, it takes a lot of evidence not faith, and it has got, a lot of evidence.

[Multiflow]

here is what I think yes Atheism is a religion but I don't understand how they have faith that God doesn't exist but they can't have faith in God. Because believing that the universe was started by an explosion takes a lot more faith than believing that God created it.I mean what caused the explosion and if it was an atom how was that atom created I mean eventually it has to lead to God because it just makes sense sometimes. so yes atheism is faith but it takes a lot more faith to believe in atheism than to believe in Christianity

1. It's not a religion, you can be religious and Athiest and theist and irreligious
2. Nope, it takes a lot of evidence not faith, and it has got, a lot of evidence.

1. Yes. I agree not a religion. No structure.
2. Faith in the evidence? Unless, you have performed all the experiments yourself?

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[Zottistan]

The null stance is not definitely true, just the most logical choice. If you're not certain, it's, to some degree, a faith.

Meh... while that's technically true, for practical purposes, its not. Anymore then someone saying leprechauns don't exist (gnostic a-leprechaun-ist?) has faith they don't exist. While the null stance is not an absolute, in many if not most cases, for all practical purposes, it is definitive.

Gnostic is an absolute. For all intents and purposes, gnostic atheism is fine. In theory, it's a faith. And theory matters.

[Xathranaar]

Meh... while that's technically true, for practical purposes, its not. Anymore then someone saying leprechauns don't exist (gnostic a-leprechaun-ist?) has faith they don't exist. While the null stance is not an absolute, in many if not most cases, for all practical purposes, it is definitive.

Gnostic is an absolute. For all intents and purposes, gnostic atheism is fine. In theory, it's a faith. And theory matters.

Of course, if you meet a gnostic atheist they will usually say that it is not faith, and that they can somehow demonstrate it.

In fact, I've never run across anyone who said, "I can't prove it, but I believe there is no god, and would continue to do so even in the face of compelling evidence to the contrary."

So, while theory does matter, one shouldn't remove themselves overmuch from practical reality.

[Union of Confederate Socialist Republics]

I’ve noticed on NS that people who are atheist get mad when a theist talks about the faith of Atheism. Faith is a believe in something everyone has faith that’s where hope and such comes from, you have faith in humanity or faith in your friends, faith isn’t mutually exclusive to religion. Atheism is a faith sense you believe there is nothing, it isn’t a religion though sense you believe there is nothing. The important bit is believing in something every human must believe in something and have faith in it whether they believe there is no god or there is one, is up to them but they must have faith and believe it.

So why do the atheist get so mad about it calling it for what it is?

There is a difference between faith as in religion and faith as in believing in something. By what you are saying you are implying that fascism is a religion.

[Chinese Regions]

1. It's not a religion, you can be religious and Athiest and theist and irreligious
2. Nope, it takes a lot of evidence not faith, and it has got, a lot of evidence.

1. Yes. I agree not a religion. No structure.
2. Faith in the evidence? Unless, you have performed all the experiments yourself?

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Well, logic, "god did it" is just as redundant as ending at "it happens" we strive to find out how and why it happens.

[Armadrone]

faith is blind following without question. Its trust that you're looking for. Beiliving in youself and loved ones and knowing that if you work had engouh that you can achevie anything, that is true hope. "faith" is horrible because it teaches humans that critical thinking is wrong, thus making a blind following. This tatic was used in the nazi reigme as well as in all reilgions. Its wrong and its horrible.

[Zottistan]

Gnostic is an absolute. For all intents and purposes, gnostic atheism is fine. In theory, it's a faith. And theory matters.

Of course, if you meet a gnostic atheist they will usually say that it is not faith, and that they can somehow demonstrate it.

In fact, I've never run across anyone who said, "I can't prove it, but I believe there is no god, and would continue to do so even in the face of compelling evidence to the contrary."

So, while theory does matter, one shouldn't remove themselves overmuch from practical reality.

IMO, the ideal stance is "There might be a god, but reason holds that there probably isn't".

And claiming to be able to demonstrate things that aren't demonstratable is pretty removed from reality.

[Xathranaar]

Of course, if you meet a gnostic atheist they will usually say that it is not faith, and that they can somehow demonstrate it.

In fact, I've never run across anyone who said, "I can't prove it, but I believe there is no god, and would continue to do so even in the face of compelling evidence to the contrary."

So, while theory does matter, one shouldn't remove themselves overmuch from practical reality.

IMO, the ideal stance is "There might be a god, but reason holds that there probably isn't".

And claiming to be able to demonstrate things that aren't demonstratable is pretty removed from reality.

To the second, I can only say that in my experience they usually only claim to be able to prove that the gods people actually believe in don't exist (typically on account of them not having performed the actions attributed to them, or having absurd properties.)

To the first, I agree, but I wouldn't even want to take it that far until theists go through the trouble of giving "god" a consistent definition. It's hard to speculate when I'm not sure what we're talking about.

[Zottistan]

IMO, the ideal stance is "There might be a god, but reason holds that there probably isn't".

And claiming to be able to demonstrate things that aren't demonstratable is pretty removed from reality.

To the second, I can only say that in my experience they usually only claim to be able to prove that the gods people actually believe in don't exist (typically on account of them not having performed the actions attributed to them, or having absurd properties.)

To the first, I agree, but I wouldn't even want to take it that far until theists go through the trouble of giving "god" a consistent definition. It's hard to speculate when I'm not sure what we're talking about.

Well, that's not atheism. It's deism or something like that. Or possibly agnostic theism.

As for the second bit, we could probably use one of those, yeah.

[Czechanada]

Meh... while that's technically true, for practical purposes, its not. Anymore then someone saying leprechauns don't exist (gnostic a-leprechaun-ist?) has faith they don't exist. While the null stance is not an absolute, in many if not most cases, for all practical purposes, it is definitive.

Gnostic is an absolute. For all intents and purposes, gnostic atheism is fine. In theory, it's a faith. And theory matters.

Only Obi-Wan deals in absolutes.

[Xathranaar]

To the second, I can only say that in my experience they usually only claim to be able to prove that the gods people actually believe in don't exist (typically on account of them not having performed the actions attributed to them, or having absurd properties.)

Well, that's not atheism. It's deism or something like that. Or possibly agnostic theism.

A person who does not believe in a god, and thinks he or she can prove that those gods which people do believe in do not exist, is an agnostic theist?