Atheism is a faith

[Chinese Regions]

Wrong.

See this graph:

That graph contains many mistakes. An agnostic cannot be theist nor atheist, BY DEFINITION.

I think that in NSG almost all atheists ignore the original greek definitions of Atheism and Agnosticism.

Gnostic means you know and of course agnostic means you don't know.
Knowing=certainty. If you are 100% certain there is a god you are gnostic theist if you are not certain but believe there is you are agnostic theists and vice versa.

[Divair]

Privative Alpha + Gnosis (Knowledge): Negation of knowledge, NOT NEGATION OF GOD.

Privative Alpha + Theos (God): Negation of God, NOT NEGATION OF KNOWLEDGE.

Knowledge and belief are two questions, you're confusing the two.

[Purpelia]

Privative Alpha + Gnosis (Knowledge): Negation of knowledge, NOT NEGATION OF GOD.

Privative Alpha + Theos (God): Negation of God, NOT NEGATION OF KNOWLEDGE.

Knowledge and belief are two questions, you're confusing the two.

No they are not. That is the thing. You make them out to be two questions but they are but one.

Certainty in a claim is not something that is percentage vise. It is absolute. We are absolutely certain that 1 + 1 equals 2. And if evidence should arise that it equals 3 than we shall all become absolutely certain that it now equals 3. We are not now or can ever be partially certain that it might equal 2 or 3. It's either one or the other. Atheism vs theism is about what criteria you use to judge those claims and make your choice.

[Divair]

No they are not. That is the thing. You make them out to be two questions but they are but one.

No, they're not. I do not believe with 100% certainty that there are no gods. Nearly no atheists do. There are, however, some that do.


You're just generalizing that everyone is gnostic, which is utter BS.

[Chinese Regions]

Privative Alpha + Gnosis (Knowledge): Negation of knowledge, NOT NEGATION OF GOD.

Privative Alpha + Theos (God): Negation of God, NOT NEGATION OF KNOWLEDGE.

And knowledge is certainty.
Gnostic theist: certain that there is a god
Agnostic theist: god is likely to exist
Agnostic atheist: god is unlikely yo exist
Gnostic atheist certain god doesn't exist.

[Great Islamic Empire]

Privative Alpha + Gnosis (Knowledge): Negation of knowledge, NOT NEGATION OF GOD.

Privative Alpha + Theos (God): Negation of God, NOT NEGATION OF KNOWLEDGE.

Knowledge and belief are two questions, you're confusing the two.

I mean "knowledge about existence or non-existence of God" (which is negation of ANY belief about the issue).

[Divair]

I mean "knowledge about existence or non-existence of God" (which is negation of ANY belief about the issue).

That's agnosticism vs. gnosticism.

Belief in a god or gods is atheism vs. theism.

[Great Islamic Empire]

Privative Alpha + Gnosis (Knowledge): Negation of knowledge, NOT NEGATION OF GOD.

Privative Alpha + Theos (God): Negation of God, NOT NEGATION OF KNOWLEDGE.

And knowledge is certainty.
Gnostic theist: certain that there is a god
Agnostic theist: god is likely to exist
Agnostic atheist: god is unlikely yo exist
Gnostic atheist certain god doesn't exist.

Modern contradictory definitions that are completely different from the original ones.

[Great Nepal]

Privative Alpha + Gnosis (Knowledge): Negation of knowledge, NOT NEGATION OF GOD.

Privative Alpha + Theos (God): Negation of God, NOT NEGATION OF KNOWLEDGE.

Moving on from Greek definition (because I dont know Greek and its irrelevant), Oxford dictionary has clear definition of atheism as I stated before. It is disbelief in existence of god.
Disbelieve is not belief.

[Purpelia]

No they are not. That is the thing. You make them out to be two questions but they are but one.

No, they're not. I do not believe with 100% certainty that there are no gods. Nearly no atheists do. There are, however, some that do.


You're just generalizing that everyone is gnostic, which is utter BS.

Than you are in fact not an atheist. An atheist uses the principals of science and the scientific method to make his decision. Once again certainty in a claim is not something that is percentage vise. It is absolute. We are absolutely certain that 1 + 1 equals 2. And if evidence should arise that it equals 3 than we shall all become absolutely certain that it now equals 3. We are not now or can ever be partially certain that it might equal 2 or 3. It's either one or the other. Atheism vs theism is about what criteria you use to judge those claims and make your decision.

And if you can't make a clear decision one way or the other than you are not using the method of your choice properly. After all a single method when used properly and faced with a variety of evidence can not produce multiple contradicting outcomes. Something that is necessary for a non binary claim of truthfulness to exist.

You can't make an experiment that tells you 1+1 can equal both 2 and 3. If you do than you have made an error in your implementation.

[Copenhagen Metropolis]

How could this go on for 20+ pages, guys, seriously. You know you can't teach these people anything. If he's failed to understand so far, he'll most likely continue to fail at it.

You're being way to generous...

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Faith is a believe in something everyone has faith that’s where hope and such comes from, you have faith in humanity or faith in your friends, faith isn’t mutually exclusive to religion. Atheism is a faith sense you believe there is nothing, it isn’t a religion though sense you believe there is nothinG.

faith is believing in something its not a religion. you can have faith in god yes but you can have faith that your friends are going to help or faith that there isn’t a god

you believe there is no point to religion there for you dont believe in a god in any form. you still must believe that is whats true, and that is what faith is the believe in something not alway a god just something.

it doesnt require faith in that deity it does require faith that there is no higher power.

if you dont believe there is no higher power then you believe there is a higher power. if you dont believe there is a higher power then you must believe that.

faith does not equal religion, nor does it mean just faith in high powers, it is the believe in something, any thing really.

show me prove there is no god or show me proof there is a good either one requires faith sense there is no iron clad proof

atheism is the lack of belief in a god or higher power. you have to believe in the evidence you have that it points to no god.

atheism is not a religion it is the lack of religion. atheism is a faith sense everyone must have a faith in something simply to function.

no a faith is a belief in something this can be freinds, humanity, science etc. a religion is believe in a higher power.

it is a faith since you have to believe there is no higher power there to put faith in.

you still have to believe he is not worth following though.

faith is believing in something no matter how small, i admit to have faith one doesnt need to have a religion. therefore atheism the lack of religion is a faith but it is still not religion.

my point is faith and religion are to seperate things and atheist do have a faith.

faith is beliefing in something no mater what it is. a person must have faith they dont have to have religion.

faith is someing thats passive too, you simply believe something is just like you belief in atheism.

you cant know everything there for you must trust something will go right therefore you must have faith

not realy there was no challenge since he inlcuded assumed which is my point you must have faith to assume something since assuming means you dont know something about it and you must make a guess.

it included assumed undermining the challenge since by assuming your making a leap of faith

As I said, I don't see anything changing. You're wasting your time with this guy.

[Chinese Regions]

And knowledge is certainty.
Gnostic theist: certain that there is a god
Agnostic theist: god is likely to exist
Agnostic atheist: god is unlikely yo exist
Gnostic atheist certain god doesn't exist.

Modern contradictory definitions that are completely different from the original ones.

Knowing is not the same as believing.
You don't know there is a god (agnostic) but believe there is (theist), hence agnostic theist.

[Great Islamic Empire]

I mean "knowledge about existence or non-existence of God" (which is negation of ANY belief about the issue).

That's agnosticism vs. gnosticism.

Belief in a god or gods is atheism vs. theism.

Atheism is a form of gnosticism because it admits the "Gnosis" of non-existence of God. Therefore an atheist cannot be agnostic. Atheism and Agnosticism are completely different and separated concepts.

[Divair]

Than you are in fact not an atheist.

Stop. You're making assumptions for other people. I am an atheist. I do not believe in any gods. I'm also agnostic, as I'm not 100% sure.

[Purpelia]

Than you are in fact not an atheist.

Stop. You're making assumptions for other people. I am an atheist. I do not believe in any gods. I'm also agnostic, as I'm not 100% sure.

That's what I said. You are the type 2 False-False agnostic. Agnostics are the middle ground between atheism and theism. Believers who are not quite convinced and atheists who can't reach a clear conclusion due to some deficiency in the way they apply the scientific method.

[Divair]

Atheism is a form of gnosticism because it admits the "Gnosis" of non-existence of God. Therefore an atheist cannot be agnostic. Atheism and Agnosticism are completely different and separated concepts.

Nonsense. Gnosticism isn't non-existence of gods. Gnosticism is certainty. Both atheists and theists can be gnostic. Or agnostic.

[Chinese Regions]

Knowledge and belief are two questions, you're confusing the two.

I mean "knowledge about existence or non-existence of God" (which is negation of ANY belief about the issue).

It's not negation of belief it's negation of knowledge/certainty.

[Divair]

That's what I said. You are the type 2 False-False agnostic.

That's bullshit and you know it.

[Chinese Regions]

That's agnosticism vs. gnosticism.

Belief in a god or gods is atheism vs. theism.

Atheism is a form of gnosticism because it admits the "Gnosis" of non-existence of God. Therefore an atheist cannot be agnostic. Atheism and Agnosticism are completely different and separated concepts.

Why not? You can still admit that you don't know there is a god but believe there isn't.

[Great Islamic Empire]

Atheism is a form of gnosticism because it admits the "Gnosis" of non-existence of God. Therefore an atheist cannot be agnostic. Atheism and Agnosticism are completely different and separated concepts.

Nonsense. Gnosticism isn't non-existence of gods. Gnosticism is certainty. Both atheists and theists can be gnostic. Or agnostic.

If you are SURE that God doesn't exist you are gnostic in general, and atheist in particular.

If are not sure, you are agnostic.

[Purpelia]

Atheism is a form of gnosticism because it admits the "Gnosis" of non-existence of God. Therefore an atheist cannot be agnostic. Atheism and Agnosticism are completely different and separated concepts.

Nonsense. Gnosticism isn't non-existence of gods. Gnosticism is certainty. Both atheists and theists can be gnostic. Or agnostic.

Why do you consistently seek to fold the extremes into a single classification. You are abusing the original definitions of the words and completely ignoring their modern application. What you are doing is the same as if I were to call all modern nations ademocratic because they do not comply with the concept of Greek democracy. You are abusing a worn out definition and ignoring it's modern use. In other words making a false argument through false semantics.

[Fnordgasm 5]

No, they're not. I do not believe with 100% certainty that there are no gods. Nearly no atheists do. There are, however, some that do.


You're just generalizing that everyone is gnostic, which is utter BS.

Than you are in fact not an atheist. An atheist uses the principals of science and the scientific method to make his decision. Once again certainty in a claim is not something that is percentage vise. It is absolute. We are absolutely certain that 1 + 1 equals 2. And if evidence should arise that it equals 3 than we shall all become absolutely certain that it now equals 3. We are not now or can ever be partially certain that it might equal 2 or 3. It's either one or the other. Atheism vs theism is about what criteria you use to judge those claims and make your decision.

And if you can't make a clear decision one way or the other than you are not using the method of your choice properly. After all a single method when used properly and faced with a variety of evidence can not produce multiple contradicting outcomes. Something that is necessary for a non binary claim of truthfulness to exist.

You can't make an experiment that tells you 1+1 can equal both 2 and 3. If you do than you have made an error in your implementation.

I'm an atheist and I've never used the scientific method in my life.

[Great Islamic Empire]

Atheism is a form of gnosticism because it admits the "Gnosis" of non-existence of God. Therefore an atheist cannot be agnostic. Atheism and Agnosticism are completely different and separated concepts.

Why not? You can still admit that you don't know there is a god but believe there isn't.

With "Believe" you mean "Strong belief" or supposition?

[Purpelia]

I'm an atheist and I've never used the scientific method in my life.

Why did you chose to be an atheist? If it is because you thought that there was no reason to be a theist than you did use it. You just did not know it.

[Kilobugya]

Knowing=certainty. If you are 100% certain there is a god you are gnostic theist if you are not certain but believe there is you are agnostic theists and vice versa.

You can't be 100% certain of anything (apart "I think therefore I am", arguably), but people don't go around saying they are "agnostic heliocentrists" or "agnostic germ theory believers". Being gnostic atheist doesn't mean you're 100% certain there is no god, but that you're certain up to the level that you are certain gravity will still work in 5 minutes, or that your eggs won't suddenly unscramble in your plate.