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by Purpelia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:03 am

by Bottle » Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:55 am
Esternial wrote:Bottle wrote:Some people are, for whatever reason, incapable of fully embracing the limits of their own knowledge. They need to believe that they have answers for all the "big questions," and, what's more, they believe that everyone else feels the same way.
The notion that some of us are quite content sticking with the "I don't know" answer is something they can't quite wrap their minds around.
Makes them no better than the Ancient Greeks as they made up a God that made the sun rise.

by Sahrani DR » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:08 am

by Sahrani DR » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:11 am
Purpelia wrote:Agnosticism is just a pathetic blanket term used by three groups of people.
The first are closet atheists who much like closet homosexuals don't want to be exposed to the baggage that comes inherent with being one (like this stupid thread). So they play the "oh I don't know" card. Which in actuality means "I don't want to talk about this subject. Just leave me alone." They don't believe in anything, not really. But they just don't want this to be a defining feature of who they are. The second are closet religious people who want to sound modern and hip or those live in a progressive community and are ashamed of looking backward and primitive. Basically these people feel a longing for religion but once again don't want the whole baggage connected to it. So they distance them self from the church to get brownie points with those around them. And being able to pick and chose the rituals to follow is probably nice too. The third and final group are people who are confused in life. They may have been brought up with religion or what ever. But they too feel a longing for it. But at the same time no religion really fits them. This is most likely because they do not have the mental faculties and courage required to come out and examine their views and become atheists. But they do have just enough mental capacity to feel unpleasant about blind belief.

by Risottia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:18 am
Alidina wrote:I’ve noticed on NS that people who are atheist get mad when a theist talks about the faith of Atheism.
Faith is a believe in something everyone has faith ?

by Krownsinburg » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:25 am

by Great Islamic Empire » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:30 am
Divair wrote:Only gnostic atheism is the belief that gods cannot exist.

by Risottia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:32 am
Great Islamic Empire wrote:"Gnostic Atheism" doesn't exist, it's an oxymoron. You probably refer to Agnosticism
Great Islamic Empire wrote:By the way yes, Atheism is a religion.

by Great Islamic Empire » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:34 am

by Krownsinburg » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:35 am
Great Islamic Empire wrote:Divair wrote:Only gnostic atheism is the belief that gods cannot exist.
Ahem..
The word "Atheism" comes from greek "a" (privative alpha) and "Theos", which means God. The privative alpha is used for a negation, in this case it means literally "Negation of God", therefore negation of Its existence.
"Gnostic Atheism" doesn't exist, it's an oxymoron. You probably refer to Agnosticism, which is different from Atheism. The word "Agnosticism" comes from the greek: Privative Alpha + the word "Gnosis" which means Knowledge. Then its literal meaning is "Negation of the Knowledge", in this case "Negation of the knowledge related to existence of any divinity".
Therefore, if you say "I am an atheist" you mean that you DON'T BELIEVE IN A GOD. If you simply don't want to take a position, you are Agnostic, not Atheist.
By the way yes, Atheism is a religion.

by Divair » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:36 am
Great Islamic Empire wrote:Ahem..
The word "Atheism" comes from greek "a" (privative alpha) and "Theos", which means God. The privative alpha is used for a negation, in this case it means literally "Negation of God", therefore negation of Its existence.
Great Islamic Empire wrote:"Gnostic Atheism" doesn't exist, it's an oxymoron. You probably refer to Agnosticism, which is different from Atheism. The word "Agnosticism" comes from the greek: Privative Alpha + the word "Gnosis" which means Knowledge. Then its literal meaning is "Negation of the Knowledge", in this case "Negation of the knowledge related to existence of any divinity".

Great Islamic Empire wrote:Therefore, if you say "I am an atheist" you mean that you DON'T BELIEVE IN A GOD.
Great Islamic Empire wrote:If you simply don't want to take a position, you are Agnostic, not Atheist.
Great Islamic Empire wrote:By the way yes, Atheism is a religion.

by Chinese Regions » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:36 am
Great Islamic Empire wrote:Divair wrote:Only gnostic atheism is the belief that gods cannot exist.
Ahem..
The word "Atheism" comes from greek "a" (privative alpha) and "Theos", which means God. The privative alpha is used for a negation, in this case it means literally "Negation of God", therefore negation of Its existence.
"Gnostic Atheism" doesn't exist, it's an oxymoron. You probably refer to Agnosticism, which is different from Atheism. The word "Agnosticism" comes from the greek: Privative Alpha + the word "Gnosis" which means Knowledge. Then its literal meaning is "Negation of the Knowledge", in this case "Negation of the knowledge related to existence of any divinity".
Therefore, if you say "I am an atheist" you mean that you DON'T BELIEVE IN A GOD. If you simply don't want to take a position, you are Agnostic, not Atheist.
By the way yes, Atheism is a religion.

by Great Nepal » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:36 am

by Risottia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:38 am
Great Nepal wrote:Great Islamic Empire wrote:
Then it's Atheism, gnostic atheism doesn't exist. Read the description of the ethimological meaning of the word Atheism. It shows it is a belief.
No, you should look at meaning of the word. It is "disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods". Are you seriously trying to argue that lack of belief = belief?

by Great Islamic Empire » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:38 am
Wrong. If you simply don't take a position, you are an atheist, as you do not believe in any gods.

by Purpelia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:39 am

by Risottia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:39 am

by Divair » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:39 am
Great Islamic Empire wrote:If you are an atheist you indeed take of course a position, because you negate God. Agnostics don't negate anything.

by Chinese Regions » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:40 am
Great Islamic Empire wrote:Risottia wrote:
Err, no. "Gnostic Atheism" describes the idea that one knows for sure there's no deity.
Then it's Atheism, gnostic atheism doesn't exist. Read the description of the ethimological meaning of the word Atheism. It shows it is a belief.
If you don't know if there is a god or not, you are not atheist, but agnostic.

by Great Islamic Empire » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:41 am
Wrong.
See this graph:

by Purpelia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:41 am
Divair wrote:Great Islamic Empire wrote:If you are an atheist you indeed take of course a position, because you negate God. Agnostics don't negate anything.
You do not "negate" gods. What is this "negation" bullshit you're coming up with?
There are two questions here.
Do you believe in a god or gods?
Yes: Theist.
No: Atheist.
Are you SURE?
Yes: Gnostic.
No: Agnostic.

by Divair » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:41 am
Great Islamic Empire wrote:Wrong.
See this graph:
That graph contains many mistakes. An agnostic cannot be theist nor atheist, BY DEFINITION.
I think that in NSG almost all atheists ignore the original greek definitions of Atheism and Agnosticism.

by Divair » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:42 am
Purpelia wrote:Divair wrote:You do not "negate" gods. What is this "negation" bullshit you're coming up with?
There are two questions here.
Do you believe in a god or gods?
Yes: Theist.
No: Atheist.
Are you SURE?
Yes: Gnostic.
No: Agnostic.
That's not how it works. What you are describing is a classification of the various subgroops of these so called agnostics. Those that can't be sure.
Theists are always 100% certain that there is a god or gods because their faith tells them.
Atheists are always 100% certain that there is no god unless and until this is proven otherwise.

by Purpelia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:42 am
Divair wrote:Great Islamic Empire wrote:
That graph contains many mistakes. An agnostic cannot be theist nor atheist, BY DEFINITION.
I think that in NSG almost all atheists ignore the original greek definitions of Atheism and Agnosticism.
An agnostic can be either a theist or atheist, as agnosticism has nothing to do with belief, but certainty.

by Great Islamic Empire » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:43 am
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