Atheism is a faith

[Tlaceceyaya]

Atheists believe god does not exist inasmuch as they believe the Walrus beneath the surface of Titan exists.

Not at all, unless they're gnostic atheists.

Agnostic atheists acknowledge that the Walrus, or god, could exist. We simply lack an active belief in its existence.

Essentially I believe that he (they) are saying that there is no evidence for a God not existing.

That's completely false.

Absence of evidence is evidence of absence. If I claim that I can fly, and you ask me to, but I refuse, and there is literally no hint of evidence that I can fly, there is indeed evidence that I cannot. That evidence is this: If I can fly, where's the evidence?
Same for god.

[Menassa]

Essentially I believe that he (they) are saying that there is no evidence for a God not existing.

That's completely false.

Absence of evidence is evidence of absence. If I claim that I can fly, and you ask me to, but I refuse, and there is literally no hint of evidence that I can fly, there is indeed evidence that I cannot. That evidence is this: If I can fly, where's the evidence?
Same for god.

Right, you believe there is evidence for no God.

Like a Theistic person believes there is evidence for a God.

[Person012345]

Essentially I believe that he (they) are saying that there is no evidence for a God not existing.

That's completely false.

Absence of evidence is evidence of absence. If I claim that I can fly, and you ask me to, but I refuse, and there is literally no hint of evidence that I can fly, there is indeed evidence that I cannot. That evidence is this: If I can fly, where's the evidence?
Same for god.

That's not evidence that you cannot. The evidence that you cannot is that we see examples of billions of humans who cannot. Our experience tells us that humans cannot fly unaided. That's your evidence.

That being said there is ample evidence that any specific, well known god does not exist.

[Mavorpen]

Which doesn't matter, seeing is there's no evidence that there isn't a walrus beneath Titan. But we don't take the claim seriously. We lack belief in said claim. We don't actively believe said thing doesn't exist.

But you do believe in the fact that you don't believe.

Nope. I believe in my belief that I don't believe in my lack of belief that is driven by belief, but actually backed up by my lack of belief.

[Tlaceceyaya]

That's completely false.

Absence of evidence is evidence of absence. If I claim that I can fly, and you ask me to, but I refuse, and there is literally no hint of evidence that I can fly, there is indeed evidence that I cannot. That evidence is this: If I can fly, where's the evidence?
Same for god.

Right, you believe there is evidence for no God.

Like a Theistic person believes there is evidence for a God.

The existence of available evidence is not a matter of belief. If there is available evidence, I would like to see it.

[Menassa]

But you do believe in the fact that you don't believe.

Nope. I believe in my belief that I don't believe in my lack of belief that is driven by belief, but actually backed up by my lack of belief.

So, essentially, to sum-up our little discussion:
Theists believe in the fact that their belief is evidence for them believing inasmuch (thank you Tlaceceyaya) for believing in believe.

While Atheists:

Are just the opposite.

[Dyakovo]

Atheists believe god does not exist inasmuch as they believe the Walrus beneath the surface of Titan exists.

Not at all, unless they're gnostic atheists.

Agnostic atheists acknowledge that the Walrus, or god, could exist. We simply lack an active belief in its existence.

Essentially I believe that he (they) are saying that there is no evidence for a God not existing.

There is evidence that gods don't exist. The lack of verifiable evidence that they do exist is itself evidence that they don't.

[Menassa]

Right, you believe there is evidence for no God.

Like a Theistic person believes there is evidence for a God.

The existence of available evidence is not a matter of belief. If there is available evidence, I would like to see it.

Again... if a Theistic person has evidence for God they believe (which is a word used only when there is evidence) if they don't believe, they have faith (which is a word used when there is no evidence)

[Person012345]

Nope. I believe in my belief that I don't believe in my lack of belief that is driven by belief, but actually backed up by my lack of belief.

So, essentially, to sum-up our little discussion:
Theists believe in the fact that their belief is evidence for them believing inasmuch (thank you Tlaceceyaya) for believing in believe.

While Atheists:

Are just the opposite.

Are you completely incapable of comprehending simple things that have been told to you by numerous people numerous times in the past 2 pages?

I'm guessing you're a theist?

[Menassa]

Essentially I believe that he (they) are saying that there is no evidence for a God not existing.

There is evidence that gods don't exist. The lack of verifiable evidence that they do exist is itself evidence that they don't.

Whether God(s) do exist or not only applies here like a Theist claiming they do.


In less confusing terms, anyone can claim anything (although the OP may not notice the mountains of evidence in one's camp versus small miracles in the other).

[Person012345]

Atheists believe God does not exist correct?

Incorrect as a statement.

Some atheists believe god does not exist. Some do not believe that.

[Menassa]

So, essentially, to sum-up our little discussion:
Theists believe in the fact that their belief is evidence for them believing inasmuch (thank you Tlaceceyaya) for believing in believe.

While Atheists:

Are just the opposite.

Are you completely incapable of comprehending simple things that have been told to you by numerous people numerous times in the past 2 pages?

I'm guessing you're a theist?

I had thought we moved passed actual discussion, but I guess that's what happens when you take Jokes and make them into something intellectual.

[Menassa]

Incorrect as a statement.

Some atheists believe god does not exist. Some do not believe that.

What you said is, some Atheists believe God exists?

[Tlaceceyaya]

What you said is, some Atheists believe God exists?

...

Seriously?

NO. Some atheists do not believe that god does not exist. That means that the acknowledge the (near-zero) possibility that a god or gods DO exist.

[Grave_n_idle]

What you said is, some Atheists believe God exists?

No, some Atheists do not believe that god does not exist.

They may not believe one exists, but they don't have a definite belief that it does not.

[Dyakovo]

What you said is, some Atheists believe God exists?

No, that's not what he said.

[Xathranaar]

Essentially I believe that he (they) are saying that there is no evidence for a God not existing.

There is evidence that gods don't exist. The lack of verifiable evidence that they do exist is itself evidence that they don't.

Look at it like bigfoot: There is no way to prove that they do not exist (short of somehow accounting for every square foot of wilderness in the world at the same time), but the lack of the sort of evidence we would expect a large mammal to produce, is a sort of evidence against them. I mean, large animals eat things, they defecate, they come together to breed, and they usually do other things like mark their territories, and kill rivals, etc. They can only be so subtle about this, and given that we can track populations of large cats that are measured in the dozens, and that hundreds of enthusiasts are actively looking for bigfoot (bigfeet?), and that no verifiable evidence of them has ever been produced, this amounts to pretty compelling evidence against them.

The same is true of some gods. There are things we would expect to find if they were real, but we do not find them.

[Menassa]

What you said is, some Atheists believe God exists?

...

Seriously?

NO. Some atheists do not believe that god does not exist. That means that the acknowledge the (near-zero) possibility that a god or gods DO exist.

Some Atheists believe that believe that God(s) do not exist.... correct that is what an Atheist is... what they ("Person012345") also said is just the opposite.

[Tlaceceyaya]

...

Seriously?

NO. Some atheists do not believe that god does not exist. That means that the acknowledge the (near-zero) possibility that a god or gods DO exist.

Some Atheists believe that believe that God(s) do not exist.... correct that is what an Atheist is... what they ("Person012345") also said is just the opposite.

...

Seriously? I may as well just quote my post back at you, since you clearly didn't read it.

[Menassa]

What you said is, some Atheists believe God exists?

No, that's not what he said.

Incorrect as a statement.

Some atheists believe god does not exist.Some do not believe that.

"Some atheists believe god does not exist"
This is true, this is an Atheist.

"Some do not believe that."

I took this to mean (and please by all means correct me if I'm wrong) that it's just the opposite of what Person012345 had said in the first part of the post.

"Some Atheists believe God does not exist"
"Some Atheists believe in the opposite of a God not existing"

[Seperates]

Is atheism faith?

I don't particularly care if it is or isn't. Definitions are fluid like everything else. Languages, cultures, demographics change over time.

I am a skeptic first... an 'athiest', whatever that means, second.

[Menassa]

What you said is, some Atheists believe God exists?

No, some Atheists do not believe that god does not exist.

They may not believe one exists, but they don't have a definite belief that it does not.

Agnostic?

[Anglosphere]

Gnostic Atheism requires faith as you are claiming an absolute despite the lack of testable, empirical, tangible evidence.

Agnostic Atheism, which most Atheists seem to be, requires no faith.

If I am not mistaken this is Strong Atheism Vs Weak Atheism.

[Seperates]

No, some Atheists do not believe that god does not exist.

They may not believe one exists, but they don't have a definite belief that it does not.

Agnostic?

Honestly, it really doesn't matter.

[Grave_n_idle]

No, some Atheists do not believe that god does not exist.

They may not believe one exists, but they don't have a definite belief that it does not.

Agnostic?

Sure. Agnostic isn't an alternative to the theist or atheist question - it's just a modifier.

If you don't 'know' if there's a god or not, but you don't believe in one, you're an agnostic atheist.