Atheism is a faith

[Ostroeuropa]

You really think this is rage?

Have...

How long have you been using the internet?

You probably should have been keeping up with the last 3 or so pages if I'm honest.

Can you find a post where any of us have insulted you personally, or displayed symptoms of rage and please quote it.

[Norstal]

You really think this is rage?

Have...

How long have you been using the internet?

You probably should have been keeping up with the last 3 or so pages if I'm honest.

The things you see in this forum is mild compared to sites like 4chan. For example, you haven't seen a decapitated penis yet as a rebuttal to your posts.

[Enadail]

You really think this is rage?

Have...

How long have you been using the internet?

You probably should have been keeping up with the last 3 or so pages if I'm honest.

But please, more sarky jabs as a means to express basic emotion. I should start a tally.

Again, ironic that you're calling people on snarky jabs...

Also, where in the last 3 pages have you seen rage?

[Ostroeuropa]

You probably should have been keeping up with the last 3 or so pages if I'm honest.

The things you see in this forum is mild compared to sites like 4chan. For example, you haven't seen a decapitated penis yet as a rebuttal to your posts.

Nor any insults or personal attacks as far as i'm aware.

[Anachronous Rex]

It isn't life, it's a debating forum. What did you expect, cookies?

Debating =/= barbarian patronizing rage.

No, it doesn't quite work like that. At least, not for people that know how to debate calmly and rationally. I found 2 people on this thread that are capable of it, so it's obviously not impossible.

EDIT: Wait, I'm doing it again. I'm asking people to introspect. I forgot that's apparently harder than it should be.

He's on to us Boo!

[Maledixit]

Debating =/= barbarian patronizing rage.

No, it doesn't quite work like that. At least, not for people that know how to debate calmly and rationally. I found 2 people on this thread that are capable of it, so it's obviously not impossible.

EDIT: Wait, I'm doing it again. I'm asking people to introspect. I forgot that's apparently harder than it should be.

Again, generalizations and insults. You expect any of us to take you seriously?

I do not see that as an insult per-say, or in fact at all, if I'm honest. Perhaps we have a different perception and definition of what it means to insult. I guess I can accept that.

[Samuraikoku]

Can you find a post where any of us have insulted you personally, or displayed symptoms of rage and please quote it.

Wouldn't that give him the opportunity to weasel his way out of the actual argument, though?

[Conserative Morality]

You probably should have been keeping up with the last 3 or so pages if I'm honest.

I have been. No part of it has been in any way an expression of rage, or, really, any emotion beyond a vague sense of annoyance.

But please, more sarky jabs as a means to express basic emotion. I should start a tally.

Seriously, that was an honest question. How long have you been on the internet proper? Forums and actual interaction with online communities and such?

[Imperiatom]

So to have no belief you have to know what the options are that you can believe in so it is a belief that none of the above are right or you would believe in one. So it is disbelief in religion in general.

Buddhism proves you wrong.

No as i don't believe in the Saṃsāra or the four truth's. so Buddhism can't possibly prove me wrong.

[Ostroeuropa]

Can you find a post where any of us have insulted you personally, or displayed symptoms of rage and please quote it.

Wouldn't that give him the opportunity to weasel his way out of the actual argument, though?

You seem to imply he's already actually arguing.

[Pradja]

I would say most of the West is 'safe' for atheists. Atheists and the irreligious are part of our modern history, of our greatest movements, and largely accepted, save for small pockets of fossils within these countries.

Safe in the sense that the governments don't have any policies toward religions or beliefs. And that most people in the West (specifically America and Canada because, again, haven't been to Europe), try not to start religious debates except perhaps with themselves.The moment you reveal to someone that you're atheist however, a shitstorm starts. Even well-mannered theists starts making up misconceptions about atheists and atheism.

Perhaps "persecution" is hyperbolic and it's generally safe for both theists and atheists, but I'm not fully comfortable living in the U.S as an atheist.

Wouldn't happen to you in Germany, the general reaction to one revealing they are atheist would be: mk, so wanna do something?

[Samuraikoku]

No as i don't believe in the Saṃsāra or the four truth's. so Buddhism can't possibly prove me wrong.

http://buddhism.about.com/od/basicbuddhistteachings/a/buddhaatheism.htm

[The Amyclae]

Yeah, of course atheism is a faith. Kant summed it up rather simply: there are no logical proofs for the noumenal realm. If someone reaches a conclusion about it, then faith is present. I think some people have a problem with dallying too close with the word because, to use a theme repeated by Martin Buber, the word has too much blood (perceived or otherwise) on it.

[Samuraikoku]

You seem to imply he's already actually arguing.

I'm in a good mood today, I'm being benevolent.

[Pradja]

Again, generalizations and insults. You expect any of us to take you seriously?

I do not see that as an insult per-say, or in fact at all, if I'm honest. Perhaps we have a different perception and definition of what it means to insult. I guess I can accept that.

Again; EXISTENTIAL CRISIS.

[Ostroeuropa]

Yeah, of course atheism is a faith. Kant summed it up rather simply: there are no logical proofs for the noumenal realm. If someone reaches a conclusion about it, then faith is present.

Atheism isn't a conclusion.

[Duvniask]

Yeah, of course atheism is a faith. Kant summed it up rather simply: there are no logical proofs for the noumenal realm. If someone reaches a conclusion about it, then faith is present.

Wait a minute

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What?

[Ceannairceach]

Np, it isn't. Atheism is merely the lack of belief. Whatever dictionary you're using, it is wrong. There are only two boxes to tick; Theist, and if you aren't that, atheist. It is a binary system, perhaps the only true one.

To be frank, I tend to dismiss anyone that gets too bent up over binaries.

Life is, and has never been, and will never be, that simple. No matter how much people want to simplify it.

Binary divisions are for people that don't want to think any further.

So you're just going to ignore the truth because you don't like it?

Alrighty then. You have fun with that.

[Anachronous Rex]

Buddhism proves you wrong.

No as i don't believe in the Saṃsāra or the four truth's. so Buddhism can't possibly prove me wrong.

"So it is disbelief in religion in general."

You can be an atheist and a Buddhist. Atheism does not comment on religion in general, only religion in particular.

[Maledixit]

You probably should have been keeping up with the last 3 or so pages if I'm honest.

The things you see in this forum is mild compared to sites like 4chan. For example, you haven't seen a decapitated penis yet as a rebuttal to your posts.

Is 4chan really a good site to infer as a 'norm' for internet behaviour? I'd see it as pretty extreme to be honest, but whatever.

Isn't this, like, getting way off topic?

[Enadail]

I would say most of the West is 'safe' for atheists. Atheists and the irreligious are part of our modern history, of our greatest movements, and largely accepted, save for small pockets of fossils within these countries.

Safe in the sense that the governments don't have any policies toward religions or beliefs. And that most people in the West (specifically America and Canada because, again, haven't been to Europe), try not to start religious debates except perhaps with themselves.The moment you reveal to someone that you're atheist however, a shitstorm starts. Even well-mannered theists starts making up misconceptions about atheists and atheism.

Perhaps "persecution" is hyperbolic and it's generally safe for both theists and atheists, but I'm not fully comfortable living in the U.S as an atheist.

I wouldn't call it hyperbolic. Its certainly not physical persecution or anything compared to persecutions that existed in Nazi Germany or are going on in Africa, but its still persecution.

As an example, one of my best friends in college, with whom I had numerous religious, philosophical, etc discussions, often up till 3-4 AM, once told me at the end of one of our chats, that she thinks I'm a good person and all, but because I don't believe in Chris, will be going to hell. It showed me how she really views me: I'm a good person, but because I don't share a particular view point, I'm deserving of eternal torment.

[Imperiatom]

Again, generalizations and insults. You expect any of us to take you seriously?

I do not see that as an insult per-say, or in fact at all, if I'm honest. Perhaps we have a different perception and definition of what it means to insult. I guess I can accept that.

An insult is when you say something to someone and they are offended. It is not up to you what an insult is but to them to determine if they are insulted by it. They are offended so it is an insult.

[Conserative Morality]

Safe in the sense that the governments don't have any policies toward religions or beliefs. And that most people in the West (specifically America and Canada because, again, haven't been to Europe), try not to start religious debates except perhaps with themselves.The moment you reveal to someone that you're atheist however, a shitstorm starts. Even well-mannered theists starts making up misconceptions about atheists and atheism.

I've never had that happen to me, honestly, even when talking to people from my old church who knew I was an atheist. Generally they're curious, and some have some odd ideas about atheism, but none that have been rude or deliberately making up shit.

[The Amyclae]

Yeah, of course atheism is a faith. Kant summed it up rather simply: there are no logical proofs for the noumenal realm. If someone reaches a conclusion about it, then faith is present.

Atheism isn't a conclusion.

Does God exist? If yes or no, then you're making a claim about the noumenal realm. Since we don't have any direct experience with it, we can never know and logically we can never say we know. Since atheism makes the claim 'no' by definition, then it is making a claim about something that lacks a logical proof.

[Ostroeuropa]

The things you see in this forum is mild compared to sites like 4chan. For example, you haven't seen a decapitated penis yet as a rebuttal to your posts.

Is 4chan really a good site to infer as a a 'norm' for internet behaviour. I'd see it as pretty extreme to be honest, but whatever?

Isn't this, like, getting way off topic?

You're the one who said we were being defensive, insulting, and barbarians.
We deny that claim, just like your other claims.
You havn't demonstrated anything you've said to be true, and when we inform you why you are wrong, you change the subject.
Just like now.