Atheism is a faith

[Duvniask]

Really all of Scandinavia.

"Skyrim for the Atheists!"

Haven't been there so I can't say for sure. I know there's a good amount of atheists there, but the countries in Northern Europe has been traditionally Christian so I was going by that.

Yes, that's true, but religion is not of any importance to anyone really, it's not like anyone will persecute you simply for being an atheist, in Denmark at least.

[Imperiatom]

Actually, atheism is the rejection of the belief of deities. Until a baby makes a conscious rejection, I don't see them as atheist, or theist. They don't have to be any of these boxes, for the same of academia.

Np, it isn't. Atheism is merely the lack of belief. Whatever dictionary you're using, it is wrong. There are only two boxes to tick; Theist, and if you aren't that, atheist. It is a binary system, perhaps the only true one.

so a belief that believe's there is nothing to believe in.

[Ceannairceach]

Np, it isn't. Atheism is merely the lack of belief. Whatever dictionary you're using, it is wrong. There are only two boxes to tick; Theist, and if you aren't that, atheist. It is a binary system, perhaps the only true one.

so a belief that believe's there is nothing to believe in.

No. Atheism is not belief or even disbelief. It is the lack of belief.

[Samuraikoku]

Make this a lesson, folks; When you are wrong, laugh at the competition and call them discriminatory and mean. *nod*

That wouldn't be new. Just look at the Republicans.

[Maledixit]

Actually, atheism is the rejection of the belief of deities. Until a baby makes a conscious rejection, I don't see them as atheist, or theist. They don't have to be any of these boxes, for the same of academia.

Np, it isn't. Atheism is merely the lack of belief. Whatever dictionary you're using, it is wrong. There are only two boxes to tick; Theist, and if you aren't that, atheist. It is a binary system, perhaps the only true one.

To be frank, I tend to dismiss anyone that gets too bent up over binaries.

Life is, and has never been, and will never be, that simple. No matter how much people want to simplify it.

Binary divisions are for people that don't want to think any further.

Lol I'm ignoring the rest, because it's dull, but I just want to clarify this one really quick.



If you pay attention, you'll notice I said I wasn't bothered by it, so I don't feel like a victim, ergo no it's not the same.

It's the opposite in fact, I think it's kind of adorable how this is the only way you lot react when you don't know how else to react. It's like a social psychologist's wet dream.

I wouldn't appeal to psychology on these boards, or you'll be schooled by pissing off yet another group of people for completely misrepresenting what they believe in. (Psychology majors.)

If people are that easily pissed off by something as small as this, then that probably speaks more volume about them, and they probably need to get off the computer and go get some air or something. There's plenty more to be bothered about, in the grand scheme. Don't take life too seriously.

I think every demographic is persecuted somewhat. And also, all demographics can be seen as not as persecuted as they think they may be somewhat.

But I do think that it's become very apparent that many people here have identified with atheism so strongly, to the point of militant defending, because they needed a victim complex to hide behind so they can justify why life sucks for them.

And I'm glad that it's become clearer, because I was wondering. But really, it's a good thing, because now this thread makes a whole lot more sense.

I really hope that's not a generalization because I'm an atheist myself.

But that's my point. If anytime a Christian feels persecuted, they can go to America or Europe. Where can an atheist go? There's no country dedicated to atheism. That's why I said they're being persecuted everywhere, as opposed to Muslims or Christians.

I apologize. I didn't mean to imply that generalization.

I meant theists and atheists can both be judged for the same things, or even praised for the same things. To add a little bit more on, I think there's more to a person's drives than whether they are atheist or theist or not. But alot of people tend to put their 'theist' or 'atheist' label first, as if that's the whole essence of their character, and the primary thing they identify with.

My implication is that everyone suffers, and everyone benefits, in different ways. So victim complexes tend to escalate and distort things sometimes, for anyone.

[Anachronous Rex]

Haven't been there so I can't say for sure. I know there's a good amount of atheists there, but the countries in Northern Europe has been traditionally Christian so I was going by that.

Yes, that's true, but religion is not of any importance to anyone really, it's not like anyone will persecute you simply for being an atheist.

Quite the opposite, in fact.

Apparently, in Norway, it's impossible to get a job hunting trolls if you're a Christian.

[Conserative Morality]

so a belief that believe's there is nothing to believe in.

Learn to differentiate between 'weak' atheism "I don't know, thus, in the lack of evidence, I do not believe." and 'strong' atheism "I believe there is nothing."

[Anachronous Rex]

Np, it isn't. Atheism is merely the lack of belief. Whatever dictionary you're using, it is wrong. There are only two boxes to tick; Theist, and if you aren't that, atheist. It is a binary system, perhaps the only true one.

so a belief that believe's there is nothing to believe in.

This isn't actually that hard. I can only conclude that theists like you actively don't want to understand.

[Duvniask]

Yes, that's true, but religion is not of any importance to anyone really, it's not like anyone will persecute you simply for being an atheist.

Quite the opposite, in fact.

Apparently, in Norway, it's impossible to get a job hunting trolls if you're a Christian.

There is that.

But I edited it to say Denmark, because i'm more familiar with it.

[Ostroeuropa]

so a belief that believe's there is nothing to believe in.

This isn't actually that hard. I can only conclude that theists like you actively don't want to understand.

Well...

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[Ostroeuropa]

If people are that easily pissed off by something as small as this, then that probably speaks more volume about them, and they probably need to get off the computer and go get some air or something. There's plenty more to be bothered about, in the grand scheme. Don't take life too seriously.
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It isn't life, it's a debating forum. What did you expect, cookies?

[Imperiatom]

so a belief that believe's there is nothing to believe in.

No. Atheism is not belief or even disbelief. It is the lack of belief.

So to have no belief you have to know what the options are that you can believe in so it is a belief that none of the above are right or you would believe in one. So it is disbelief in religion in general.

[Samuraikoku]

So to have no belief you have to know what the options are that you can believe in so it is a belief that none of the above are right or you would believe in one. So it is disbelief in religion in general.

Buddhism proves you wrong.

[Maledixit]

If people are that easily pissed off by something as small as this, then that probably speaks more volume about them, and they probably need to get off the computer and go get some air or something. There's plenty more to be bothered about, in the grand scheme. Don't take life too seriously.
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It isn't life, it's a debating forum. What did you expect, cookies?

Debating =/= barbarian patronizing rage.

No, it doesn't quite work like that. At least, not for people that know how to debate calmly and rationally. I found 2 people on this thread that are capable of it, so it's obviously not impossible.

EDIT: Wait, I'm doing it again. I'm asking people to introspect. I forgot that's apparently harder than it should be.

[Hallistar]

Lol I'm ignoring the rest, because it's dull, but I just want to clarify this one really quick.

You also say we're ganging up on the new member (you), and then say we're the ones with victim complexes?

If you pay attention, you'll notice I said I wasn't bothered by it, so I don't feel like a victim, ergo no it's not the same.

It's the opposite in fact, I think it's kind of adorable how this is the only way you lot react when you don't know how else to react. It's like a social psychologist's wet dream.

And we said we're not taking what you say about us as personal attacks, so we don't feel like victims either.

I find it even more humorous that you think you're so smart and wise.

[Ostroeuropa]

It isn't life, it's a debating forum. What did you expect, cookies?

Debating =/= barbarian patronizing rage.

No, it doesn't quite work like that. At least, not for people that know how to debate calmly and rationally. I found 2 people on this thread that are capable of it, so it's obviously not impossible.

Care to find an example of what you're claiming?

[Condunum]

Lol I'm ignoring the rest, because it's dull, but I just want to clarify this one really quick.

You also say we're ganging up on the new member (you), and then say we're the ones with victim complexes?

If you pay attention, you'll notice I said I wasn't bothered by it, so I don't feel like a victim, ergo no it's not the same.

It's the opposite in fact, I think it's kind of adorable how this is the only way you lot react when you don't know how else to react. It's like a social psychologist's wet dream.

I just called my psychology teacher.

He said, and I quote, "Even if it was true, and a bunch of people on the internet were showing signs of persecution complexes, it's so uninteresting that Freud would shoot himself."

[Conserative Morality]

Debating =/= barbarian patronizing rage.

No, it doesn't quite work like that. At least, not for people that know how to debate calmly and rationally. I found 2 people on this thread that are capable of it, so it's obviously not impossible.

You really think this is rage?

Have...

How long have you been using the internet?

[Enadail]

To be frank, I tend to dismiss anyone that gets too bent up over binaries.

Life is, and has never been, and will never be, that simple. No matter how much people want to simplify it.

Binary divisions are for people that don't want to think any further.

This is laughable to the extreme.

Life is binaries. I am either in a car or I am not. I am either sitting or not. I am either male or I am not. One either has belief in a God or one does not.

Life is binary.

If people are that easily pissed off by something as small as this, then that probably speaks more volume about them, and they probably need to get off the computer and go get some air or something. There's plenty more to be bothered about, in the grand scheme. Don't take life too seriously.

You're the only one who seems to be pissed off and defensive, given the number of post that have lacked any sort of response and have just been insults and dismissive remarks.

You also don't seem to know what "defensive" means, in terms of a rebuttal.

I apologize. I didn't mean to imply that generalization.

And yet you've made numerous generalizations since you started posting. And you wonder why people respond?

I meant theists and atheists can both be judged for the same things, or even praised for the same things. To add a little bit more on, I think there's more to a person's drives than whether they are atheist or theist or not. But alot of people tend to put their 'theist' or 'atheist' label first, as if that's the whole essence of their character, and the primary thing they identify with.

Again, a generalization without evidence.

My implication is that everyone suffers, and everyone benefits, in different ways. So victim complexes tend to escalate and distort things sometimes, for anyone.

Which is a pointless statement. You acted as if theists were somehow the victims against atheists, which is blatantly false.

[Anachronous Rex]

No. Atheism is not belief or even disbelief. It is the lack of belief.

So to have no belief you have to know what the options are that you can believe in so it is a belief that none of the above are right or you would believe in one. So it is disbelief in religion in general.

By this logic, I must believe in all sorts of scientific theorems that have yet to be invented, on the grounds that I do not know what they are, and thus cannot not believe them.

[Hallistar]

It isn't life, it's a debating forum. What did you expect, cookies?

Debating =/= barbarian patronizing rage.

No, it doesn't quite work like that. At least, not for people that know how to debate calmly and rationally. I found 2 people on this thread that are capable of it, so it's obviously not impossible.

Barbarian Rage?

I'm not even sure how to respond to that utter..idiocy.

Though it does kind of remind me of this.

[Condunum]

Debating =/= barbarian patronizing rage.

No, it doesn't quite work like that. At least, not for people that know how to debate calmly and rationally. I found 2 people on this thread that are capable of it, so it's obviously not impossible.

You really think this is rage?

Have...

How long have you been using the internet?

He thinks that Atheists correcting him is being militant.

And he thinks that recognizing the persecution of atheists globally is having a persecution complex.

[Maledixit]

Debating =/= barbarian patronizing rage.

No, it doesn't quite work like that. At least, not for people that know how to debate calmly and rationally. I found 2 people on this thread that are capable of it, so it's obviously not impossible.

You really think this is rage?

Have...

How long have you been using the internet?

You probably should have been keeping up with the last 3 or so pages if I'm honest.

But please, more sarky jabs as a means to express basic emotion. I should start a tally.

[Norstal]

What I meant is that atheism have no home country to be safe in. Obviously there's pockets of communities that can be friendly to atheists, but I find those to be rare. A Catholic have Italy and most of South America, Muslims have the Middle East, Buddhists have China (although, that's starting to be false), etc.

I would say most of the West is 'safe' for atheists. Atheists and the irreligious are part of our modern history, of our greatest movements, and largely accepted, save for small pockets of fossils within these countries.

Safe in the sense that the governments don't have any policies toward religions or beliefs. And that most people in the West (specifically America and Canada because, again, haven't been to Europe), try not to start religious debates except perhaps with themselves.The moment you reveal to someone that you're atheist however, a shitstorm starts. Even well-mannered theists starts making up misconceptions about atheists and atheism.

Perhaps "persecution" is hyperbolic and it's generally safe for both theists and atheists, but I'm not fully comfortable living in the U.S as an atheist.

[Enadail]

It isn't life, it's a debating forum. What did you expect, cookies?

Debating =/= barbarian patronizing rage.

No, it doesn't quite work like that. At least, not for people that know how to debate calmly and rationally. I found 2 people on this thread that are capable of it, so it's obviously not impossible.

EDIT: Wait, I'm doing it again. I'm asking people to introspect. I forgot that's apparently harder than it should be.

Again, generalizations and insults. You expect any of us to take you seriously?