Atheism is a faith

[Maledixit]

ORLY?

Did you notice the use of the word "ABSOLUTE"? It changes the meaning, significantly. Faith is defined as the complete trust or confidence in something without proof. It is VERY different from slight acceptance or trust without proof.

Sorry but no. You said no one had said something, so I quoted two people that had. Disproven. Accept that.

[Condunum]

sorry thats my question really: Because I simply answered your question and did not try to defend it, it means I do not fit your description, so am I not an atheist?

Ok finally, you cooperate.

You think he wasn't cooperating?

[Condunum]

Did you notice the use of the word "ABSOLUTE"? It changes the meaning, significantly. Faith is defined as the complete trust or confidence in something without proof. It is VERY different from slight acceptance or trust without proof.

Sorry but no. You said no one had said something, so I quoted two people that had. Disproven. Accept that.

Did you just decide to not read what he said?

[Hallistar]

sorry thats my question really: Because I simply answered your question and did not try to defend it, it means I do not fit your description, so am I not an atheist?

Ok finally, you cooperate.

But the answer is, I never made an implication that militant fundamentalism was inherent in all atheists. In fact, I already made it clear that others had misconceived the message. And that, rather, I was implying that being an atheist or theists does not make either exempt from that trap, and both can also escape it.

I do not care if you think of yourself as an 'atheist' or 'theist' or not to whatever description I have though. Because surely the notion of freethought is about not needing anyone else's approval. Not really sure what you're trying to attempt here, frankly. I'm just trying to humour you.

You kept on going about how the "atheist label" makes atheists think they're smarter and more socially aware than theists. And that they have faith in that label (??).

[Enadail]

Wait... all THEISTS get thrown at them? Most of the world is theists, in many places atheism is outlawed, and even in the US, atheists are viewed as less trustworthy then rapists, and its the theists who have stuff thrown at them? No, sorry, not taking that. Its a bullshit victim mentality of theists and I won't have any part of it.

In the end, someone is theists because they choose to ignore the very basis for logic: evidence is required to support a claim. It has nothing to do with their intellectual capacity.

Here is a scary realization. Not every single location on the planet has the same social context.

I'd love citations of theists being on the attack for being theists. And I don't mean theists being attacked for believing in the wrong religion or god or whatever, for being theists.

Anywhere you go in the world, theists are the significant majority. I can't think of any social context where theists are the ones who don't have the control.

And yes, atheists are persecuted world wide.

[Pradja]

sorry thats my question really: Because I simply answered your question and did not try to defend it, it means I do not fit your description, so am I not an atheist?

Ok finally, you cooperate.

But the answer is, I never made an implication that militant fundamentalism was inherent in all atheists. In fact, I already made it clear that others had misconceived the message. And that, rather, I was implying that being an atheist or theists does not make either exempt from that trap, and both can also escape it.

I do not care if you think of yourself as an 'atheist' or 'theist' or not to whatever description I have though. Because surely the notion of freethought is about not needing anyone else's approval. Not really sure what you're trying to attempt here, frankly. I'm just trying to humour you.

I was just asking for your opinion on that matter, nothing more.

But a point I would try to make is this; you seem to assume that the label atheist generates a feeling of superiority over others, correct? While there are without a doubt indivudals or groups that would absolutely fit that perception, its important to note that the same can be said about theist or anybody who has an opinion really, hence I find the reasoning behind your question somewhate strange.

[Ostroeuropa]

I don't know if he's dropped the persecuted thing because he's realized how wrong he is, or if he's just ignoring the posts.

[Maledixit]

No, I'm reading it, I still think the true colours behind this thread and the posters in it, are simply victim complexes and group polarization.

And ok, I guess that does speak alot of volume and clarity.

I guess I won't ask any of you to introspect, because I know you won't. Existential crisis and all.

[Ostroeuropa]

So basically, the true colours behind this thread and the posters in it, is simply victim complexes and group polarization?

Well ok, I guess that does speak alot of volume and clarity.

I've already explained why Atheists are persecuted worldwide, except in maybe one or two countries.

[Ovisterra]

So basically, the true colours behind this thread and the posters in it, is simply victim complexes and group polarization?

Well ok, I guess that does speak alot of volume and clarity.

When you can't actually argue, just claim all your opponents are biased and illogical and that it proves you're the only reasonable one.

This guy gets it.

[Condunum]

No, I'm reading it, I still think the true colours behind this thread and the posters in it, is simply victim complexes and group polarization.

And ok, I guess that does speak alot of volume and clarity.

Victim complexes? No, it's a realization of the persecution of atheists worldwide, and the acknowledgement of severe distrust of us.

If anyone is delusional here, it's you.

[Maledixit]

I will say though, I kind of find it hilarious how you all need to gang up on a brand new member for having their own views, just to feel secure.

If that's how you get your kicks then. Haha ok. It doesn't bother me, I just think it's kind of funny.

[Ostroeuropa]

I will say though, I kind of find it hilarious how you all need to gang up on a brand new member, just to feel secure.

If that's how you get your kicks then. Haha ok. It doesn't bother me, I just think it's kind of funny.

We're not ganging up.
It's an open forum. It's split roughly 50/50 between theists and atheists.
The problem is, you've said things so profoundly stupid that none of them are coming to help you, and all of us are ticked off.

[Norstal]

Look, I think all the guy is saying that theists are being persecuted. It's true. Theists are being persecuted by other theists. Christians are being persecuted in places where they are minority and interestingly, the opposite is true.

What I don't and what I'll never, ever, ever accept is that atheists aren't being persecuted anywhere. Between the prejudice that atheists receive by society as a whole and the general hatred against them, it is an undeniable fact that they are hated everywhere, anywhere. Just because they're not being actively hunted doesn't mean there's no persecution against them.

[Pradja]

No, I'm reading it, I still think the true colours behind this thread and the posters in it, are simply victim complexes and group polarization.

And ok, I guess that does speak alot of volume and clarity.

I guess I won't ask any of you to introspect, because I know you won't. Existential crisis and all.

Excuse me?

[Conserative Morality]

Look, I think all the guy is saying that theists are being persecuted. It's true. Theists are being persecuted by other theists. Christians are being persecuted in places where they are minority and interestingly, the opposite is true.

What I don't and what I'll never, ever, ever accept is that atheists aren't being persecuted anywhere. Between the prejudice that atheists receive by society as a whole and the general hatred against them, it is an undeniable fact that they are hated everywhere, anywhere.

Everywhere?

[Duvniask]

I will say though, I kind of find it hilarious how you all need to gang up on a brand new member for having their own views, just to feel secure.

If that's how you get your kicks then. Haha ok. It doesn't bother me, I just think it's kind of funny.

If someone is ignorant and uses worthless arguments, then yes, they are deserving of criticism.

[Ovisterra]

I will say though, I kind of find it hilarious how you all need to gang up on a brand new member for having their own views, just to feel secure.

If that's how you get your kicks then. Haha ok. It doesn't bother me, I just think it's kind of funny.

See? Masterful.

Seriously though, if having reasoned debate and actually making coherent points is "ganging up on a new board member", yes, we're guilty as hell.

But honestly, if you get this upset when people don't bow down and agree with you every time you voice an opinion, you won't like it here.

[Hallistar]

No, I'm reading it, I still think the true colours behind this thread and the posters in it, is simply victim complexes and group polarization.

I will say though, I kind of find it hilarious how you all need to gang up on a brand new member for having their own views, just to feel secure.

And ok, I guess that does speak alot of volume and clarity.

--Keeps mentioning about how the "atheist label" makes atheists think they're smarter and better than theists

--Says that Atheism is a faith

--Calls atheists 'defensive' when they post clarifying that atheism at its core is the lack of theism

--Thinks that atheists are taking this as personal attacks

--Thinks that the atheists on here suffer victim complexes because they mentioned how theists aren't the ones being persecuted, by discussing the persecution that atheists in countries face, as well as their social statuses.

I think the only thing we're seeing so far, is that you're just wasting our time.

[West Macedonia]

atheism is not a faith

[Mexicanada]

Everyone's persecuted at some point in their life.
For those people who are going to ask for a source:here's your source

/argument

[Maledixit]

Look, I think all the guy is saying that theists are being persecuted. It's true. Theists are being persecuted by other theists. Christians are being persecuted in places where they are minority and interestingly, the opposite is true.

What I don't and what I'll never, ever, ever accept is that atheists aren't being persecuted anywhere. Between the prejudice that atheists receive by society as a whole and the general hatred against them, it is an undeniable fact that they are hated everywhere, anywhere.

I think every demographic is persecuted somewhat. And also, all demographics can be seen as not as persecuted as they think they may be somewhat.

But I do think that it's become very apparent that many people here have identified with atheism so strongly, to the point of militant defending, because they needed a victim complex to hide behind so they can justify why life sucks for them.

And I'm glad that it's become clearer, because I was wondering. But really, it's a good thing, because now this thread makes a whole lot more sense.

[Mexicanada]

I will say though, I kind of find it hilarious how you all need to gang up on a brand new member for having their own views, just to feel secure.

If that's how you get your kicks then. Haha ok. It doesn't bother me, I just think it's kind of funny.

It's okay. These guys did the exact same thing to me, too. You get used to it after a while...

[Pradja]

Look, I think all the guy is saying that theists are being persecuted. It's true. Theists are being persecuted by other theists. Christians are being persecuted in places where they are minority and interestingly, the opposite is true.

What I don't and what I'll never, ever, ever accept is that atheists aren't being persecuted anywhere. Between the prejudice that atheists receive by society as a whole and the general hatred against them, it is an undeniable fact that they are hated everywhere, anywhere.

I think every demographic is persecuted somewhat. And also, all demographics can be seen as not as persecuted as they think they may be somewhat.

But I do think that it's become very apparent that many people here have identified with atheism so strongly, to the point of militant defending, because they needed a victim complex to hide behind so they can justify why life sucks for them.

And I'm glad that it's become clearer, because I was wondering. But really, it's a good thing, because now this thread makes a whole lot more sense.

It might also have to do with you dropping the "existential crisis"-bomb on us.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Everyone's persecuted at some point in their life.
For those people who are going to ask for a source: here's your source

Your source states that it has to be systematic mistreatment.

Your source also does not state that persecution is universal.