Why is it okay...

[Great Nepal]

You consented to cross the road, hence you consented to get run over.

you take the risk. indeed.

So you are agree that next time your cross the road, I can run you over and you wont sue me or seek medical attention since you consented to get run over.

[Howdoyoudoland]

Sure it does, what happens when you have sex?

I enjoy myself.

Ugh...

[Souseiseki]

And people know the consequences when they smoke cigarettes. But we don't make them live with those consequences.

yes we do? do we go into their lungs and scrape of the tar???

...yes?

[Baran-Duine]

No, we remove it from the womb because it is a burden upon the mother. It's death is a side effect of the abortion process, nothing more.

The death does not matter because they are not capable of considering the idea of living, let alone voicing it.

As a former Fetus, I'm apposed to abortion. I will speak up for my unborn friends. just because it is a "burden to the mother" means nothing. The woman chose to have sex. she should deal with the consequences of that.

Yeah, gotta punish those sluts for having the audacity to have sex.

[Vazdania]

Because she chose to have heterosexual SEX, which can result in a child. She knew the consequences of her actions.(excluding rape)

Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.

yes it is.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

It's irrelevant how the fetus got there.

It really isn't. In fact, it's at the core of the debate.

No. It isn't. The right to control one's body is at the core of the debate.

[Ceannairceach]

And people know the consequences when they smoke cigarettes. But we don't make them live with those consequences.

yes we do? do we go into their lungs and scrape of the tar???

Yes, we do. People who smoke may still seek medical treatment.

[Divair]

Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.

yes it is.

So consent to driving is consent to having an accident?

[Vazdania]

As a former Fetus, I'm apposed to abortion. I will speak up for my unborn friends. just because it is a "burden to the mother" means nothing. The woman chose to have sex. she should deal with the consequences of that.

Yeah, gotta punish those sluts for having the audacity to have sex.

its not a punishment. you are bringing forth life. I just don't want to kill things that will be humans, that are humans.

[Paixao]

People in comas may (eventually) come out of the coma and have (usually) got family and friends that care about them (not to mention property - which banks and governments care about). People generally view the cost of keeping them alive as smaller than the cost of letting them go, therefore.

However, with an unborn fetus, the cost of letting it go is almost zero (well, not counting your own personal morals) when compared to the enormous cost to the mother/parents of bringing up a child (both financial, emotional, and physical).

As unfortunate as it may be to say it... it's pretty much just basic economics.

[Howdoyoudoland]

I was not aware that person in coma is inside another person's body and thus is violating that person's bodily sovereignty. Why didn't I get the memo?

Why is the fetus in the woman's body? Did it steal its way in their with no action on her part?

Also, why is it that the being's "lack of sapience and sentience" is ignored and another's isn't?

[Ceannairceach]

Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.

yes it is.

So consenting to kissing someone is consenting to them raping you in their van?

Quick, we better liberate some people from jail!

[Vazdania]

yes it is.

So consent to driving is consent to having an accident?

its acknowledging the risk of doing so, yes.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

And people know the consequences when they smoke cigarettes. But we don't make them live with those consequences.

yes we do? do we go into their lungs and scrape of the tar???

If we could do it with a reasonable chance of success without harming the patient, we would. Just like we remove their cancers and treat their coronary diseases.

[Vazdania]

yes it is.

So consenting to kissing someone is consenting to them raping you in their van?

Quick, we better liberate some people from jail!

Straw man much???

[Zottistan]

Because people in comas aren't parasites, rapists, thieves or trespassers. Generally.

Neither is a fetus.

An unwanted one is. And they're all parasites.

[Baran-Duine]

I enjoy myself.

Ugh...

If you're not enjoying yourself, you're doing it wrong.

[Howdoyoudoland]

People in comas may (eventually) come out of the coma and have (usually) got family and friends that care about them (not to mention property - which banks and governments care about). People generally view the cost of keeping them alive as smaller than the cost of letting them go, therefore.

However, with an unborn fetus, the cost of letting it go is almost zero (well, not counting your own personal morals) when compared to the enormous cost to the mother/parents of bringing up a child (both financial, emotional, and physical).

As unfortunate as it may be to say it... it's pretty much just basic economics.

The cost of bringing up a child is made up easily if you raise a half-decent child.

It's not economics, it's evil.

[North Stradia]

to kill an unborn fetus, and not a person in a coma?

A fetus is not a human being, silly conservative. It is a parasite.

[Ceannairceach]

I was not aware that person in coma is inside another person's body and thus is violating that person's bodily sovereignty. Why didn't I get the memo?

Why is the fetus in the woman's body? Did it steal its way in their with no action on her part?

Also, why is it that the being's "lack of sapience and sentience" is ignored and another's isn't?

What other being lacks sapience and sentience that is being kept around, whilst also abusing a person's right to bodily sovereignty?

[Divair]

So consent to driving is consent to having an accident?

its acknowledging the risk of doing so, yes.

Just making sure.

[Ceannairceach]

So consenting to kissing someone is consenting to them raping you in their van?

Quick, we better liberate some people from jail!

Straw man much???

If consent to one action equals consent to subsequent actions, then it equates.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.

yes it is.

Consent can be revoked.

[Vazdania]

yes we do? do we go into their lungs and scrape of the tar???

If we could do it with a reasonable chance of success without harming the patient, we would. Just like we remove their cancers and treat their coronary diseases.

are those cancers and diseases carriers of 23 pairs of human chromosomes???

[Neo Arcad]

An unborn foetus is not a human being. Someone in a coma is.

Bold claim.

Not really. A fetus can't survive on its own. Technically, it is in a parasitic relationship with the host creature.

That said, I tend to argue for abortion on social grounds. If a woman doesn't want a baby, why would you feel entitled to force that on her, knowing fully the pain you are forcing her to go through, the money you are forcing her to spend, the years of her life you are forcing her to throw away?