Why is it okay...

[Azrael]

to kill an unborn fetus, and not a person in a coma?

Well, a person in a coma can always recover. I think euthanasia is perfectly acceptable, though.

[/endthread, go ahead and kill it with fire]

[Vazdania]

So kill it because it has no voice? Wonderful...

No, we remove it from the womb because it is a burden upon the mother. It's death is a side effect of the abortion process, nothing more.

The death does not matter because they are not capable of considering the idea of living, let alone voicing it.

As a former Fetus, I'm apposed to abortion. I will speak up for my unborn friends. just because it is a "burden to the mother" means nothing. The woman chose to have sex. she should deal with the consequences of that.

[Ceannairceach]

Why would it be okay in your opinion to force a woman to carry an unwanted fetus to term and not okay to force people to donate organs or give blood?

Because she chose to have heterosexual SEX, which can result in a child. She knew the consequences of her actions.(excluding rape)

if she used a condom or other form of birth control that ended up failing, should we bind her to the pregnancy? She did show intent to not get pregnant.

But, consenting to sex is not consenting to pregnancy. The argument is flawed at that point.

[Great Nepal]

I was not aware that person in coma is inside another person's body and thus is violating that person's bodily sovereignty. Why didn't I get the memo?

[Howdoyoudoland]

Who says it isn't okay to force people to do those things...

In any case, it's not as if the fetus got their own his own. You know, snuck a teeny, tiny jet plane into her vagina or something.

It's irrelevant how the fetus got there.

It really isn't. In fact, it's at the core of the debate.

[Vazdania]

to kill an unborn fetus, and not a person in a coma?

Well, a person in a coma can always recover. I think euthanasia is perfectly acceptable, though.

[/endthread, go ahead and kill it with fire]

and a fetus will be alive in around 9 months. its not everyone who goes into a coma will recover in that time period.

[Ceannairceach]

She didn't "bring it in". She, most of the time, excluding cases of rape, allowed a penis to enter her vagina in an act of sexual pleasure. Consenting to sex does not equate to consenting to pregnancy.

Sure it does, what happens when you have sex?

You have sex. Anything else is inconsequential. Consent to sex =/= consent to pregnancy, end of.

[Souseiseki]

She didn't "bring it in". She, most of the time, excluding cases of rape, allowed a penis to enter her vagina in an act of sexual pleasure. Consenting to sex does not equate to consenting to pregnancy.

Sure it does, what happens when you have sex?

ejaculation does not guarantee pregnancy. i mean just sayin'

[Baran-Duine]

Why would it be okay in your opinion to force a woman to carry an unwanted fetus to term and not okay to force people to donate organs or give blood?

Because she chose to have heterosexual SEX, which can result in a child. She knew the consequences of her actions.(excluding rape)

Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.

[Trefeqia]

For the same reason why eating seeds is okay and cutting down trees is not okay.

[Cosmopoles]

Kill an unborn baby? Everyone's fine with that.

I'm invoking Poe's law. No one is this obtuse.

[Great Nepal]

Why would it be okay in your opinion to force a woman to carry an unwanted fetus to term and not okay to force people to donate organs or give blood?

Because she chose to have heterosexual SEX, which can result in a child. She knew the consequences of her actions.(excluding rape)

You consented to cross the road, hence you consented to get run over.

[Howdoyoudoland]

A fetus isn't any of these things.

They indeed do act as a parasitic organism, and may be metaphorically equated with rapists, thieves, and trespassers.

No not really.

[Vazdania]

Because she chose to have heterosexual SEX, which can result in a child. She knew the consequences of her actions.(excluding rape)

if she used a condom or other form of birth control that ended up failing, should we bind her to the pregnancy? She did show intent to not get pregnant.

But, consenting to sex is not consenting to pregnancy. The argument is flawed at that point.

codoms are 99.98% effective. she acknowledges that .02% risk of having a baby.

[Densaner]

An unborn foetus is not a human being. Someone in a coma is.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Why would it be okay in your opinion to force a woman to carry an unwanted fetus to term and not okay to force people to donate organs or give blood?

Because she chose to have heterosexual SEX, which can result in a child. She knew the consequences of her actions.(excluding rape)

And people know the consequences when they smoke cigarettes. But we don't make them live with those consequences.

[Howdoyoudoland]

For the same reason why eating seeds is okay and cutting down trees is not okay.

Liberal cognitive dissonance?

[Vazdania]

Because she chose to have heterosexual SEX, which can result in a child. She knew the consequences of her actions.(excluding rape)

You consented to cross the road, hence you consented to get run over.

you take the risk. indeed.

[Ceannairceach]

No, we remove it from the womb because it is a burden upon the mother. It's death is a side effect of the abortion process, nothing more.

The death does not matter because they are not capable of considering the idea of living, let alone voicing it.

As a former Fetus, I'm apposed to abortion. I will speak up for my unborn friends. just because it is a "burden to the mother" means nothing. The woman chose to have sex. she should deal with the consequences of that.

Emphasis mine. You are a former fetus. As someone who is now sentient and sapient, you want to live, naturally, barring any suicide-related mental deficiencies.

Choosing to have sex is not choosing to be pregnant. That is not the way consent works. If I consent to kiss someone, that does not mean that I consent to being raped in their van.

[Howdoyoudoland]

An unborn foetus is not a human being. Someone in a coma is.

Bold claim.

[Baran-Duine]

She didn't "bring it in". She, most of the time, excluding cases of rape, allowed a penis to enter her vagina in an act of sexual pleasure. Consenting to sex does not equate to consenting to pregnancy.

Sure it does, what happens when you have sex?

I enjoy myself.

[Souseiseki]

if she used a condom or other form of birth control that ended up failing, should we bind her to the pregnancy? She did show intent to not get pregnant.

But, consenting to sex is not consenting to pregnancy. The argument is flawed at that point.

codoms are 99.98% effective. she acknowledges that .02% risk of having a baby.

wait so she consented even though she took as much measures as possible to prevent it

[Vazdania]

Because she chose to have heterosexual SEX, which can result in a child. She knew the consequences of her actions.(excluding rape)

And people know the consequences when they smoke cigarettes. But we don't make them live with those consequences.

yes we do? do we go into their lungs and scrape of the tar???

[Howdoyoudoland]

Because she chose to have heterosexual SEX, which can result in a child. She knew the consequences of her actions.(excluding rape)

Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.

What happens when you have sex?

[Ceannairceach]

if she used a condom or other form of birth control that ended up failing, should we bind her to the pregnancy? She did show intent to not get pregnant.

But, consenting to sex is not consenting to pregnancy. The argument is flawed at that point.

codoms are 99.98% effective. she acknowledges that .02% risk of having a baby.

Acknowledging the risk is not consenting to bearing the consequences when measures are in place that can negate them, ie abortion.