Why is it okay...

[The Truth and Light]

Once again, consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.

its acknowledging the risk of becoming pregnant.

Its just like jumping off a cliff, if you do so, you're acknowledging the risk of dying.

Your metaphor fails.

[Howdoyoudoland]

They're both living beings, neither of them able to defend themselves, and neither of any particular "use" to the world in their states.

yes

but they are not both persons.

Irrelevant they are both living beings.

[Baran-Duine]

More like someone you invited to live with you and then bailed on at the last moment, because you're a selfish and spoiled person.



...Ugh...

You're seriously telling me I don't have the right to kick somebody out of my house? Or that if I tell a guy I want to stop having sex and he keeps going, it isn't rape? Or that if I say "you can have some food" and you take more than was agreed, it isn't theft?

As for "ugh", if you don't have anything to say, don't try to act like you do. A foetus is a parasite because it lives inside another living thing and feeds off that thing's resources. Parasite.

Well, to b nit-picky... No it isn't a parasite as it is the same species as its host organism... It is, however, parasitic.

[Vazdania]

yes.

You shouldn't receive treatment for your crushed bones and internal organ ruptures, by your logic, then.

yes you should? just because you acknowledged the risk of something doesn't mean you shouldn't receive ad if you are damaged.

[Shambhala Sangha]

If people think abortion should be illegal then so too must masterbatiob. That's right, you're aborting living cells from your body. After all, first trimester embryo is no more conscious than a kidney or spleen.

Stone those masterbating sinners! They're killing thousands of lives!

well actually those cells only have 23 chromosomes....not 46...

So it's just a case of semantics then? Living cells are living cells.

[The Truth and Light]

You shouldn't receive treatment for your crushed bones and internal organ ruptures, by your logic, then.

yes you should? just because you acknowledged the risk of something doesn't mean you shouldn't receive ad if you are damaged.

Ah-ha! So I have sex, and I get pregnant. I knew I could get pregnant, but the condom broke. Now I can't get treatment for my unplanned pregnancy?

[Ceannairceach]

You shouldn't receive treatment for your crushed bones and internal organ ruptures, by your logic, then.

yes you should? just because you acknowledged the risk of something doesn't mean you shouldn't receive ad if you are damaged.

...And you still want to ban abortions?

[Souseiseki]

Once again, consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.

its acknowledging the risk of becoming pregnant.

Its just like jumping off a cliff, if you do so, you're acknowledging the risk of dying.

what if you get your tubes tied but something goes wrong and you think you 100% cannot get pregnant but you do anyway

will the mother then be forced to birth a child into what may or may not be a suitable enviroment

[Conscentia]

yes.
but they are not both persons.

Irrelevant they are both living beings.

So? An undeveloped foetus isn't a person.
It has no functioning brain - it cannot think. It's as much a person as an amputated limb.

[Zottistan]

They indeed do act as a parasitic organism, and may be metaphorically equated with rapists, thieves, and trespassers.

wait

wait

they aren't alive

and have the capacity to act as thieves rapists and tresspassers?

i'm not exactly prolife but that is some bullshit.

They take resources without consent. Thieves.
They spend time on people's property without consent. Trespassers.
They spend time inside a woman's uterus against her will. Rape.

It's not metaphorical, an unwanted foetus literally is a thief, a rapist and a trespasser.

[Chinese Regions]

People in comas are still sentient, just not interacting. Foetuses aren't sentient.

[Vazdania]

well actually those cells only have 23 chromosomes....not 46...

So it's just a case of semantics then? Living cells are living cells.

livings cells are living. a human has 46 chromosomes, and come from other humans.

[Oneracon]

who says it's not?
If the coma is deep enough it is essentially no different than being brain dead...

If you are referring to a person with some hope of survival then it is a human being with memories, a personality etc.
A fetus is just some human cells with the potential of becoming a human person.

Who says the fetus won't have fond memories? You're denying it that chance!

Actually, up until age 2-4 the limbic system is not yet fully developed. So by the time you reach adulthood you can't retrieve episodic memories before that time.

[Howdoyoudoland]

Irrelevant they are both living beings.

So? An undeveloped foetus isn't a person.
It has no functioning brain - it cannot think. It's as much a person as an amputated limb.

It will become a person, however.

[Ashmoria]

yes

but they are not both persons.

Irrelevant they are both living beings.

how is it irrelevant?

my dog is a living being and yet i can legally take it to the vet and have it killed.

[Chinese Regions]

yes

but they are not both persons.

Irrelevant they are both living beings.

Do you eat it, or even vegetables for that matter?

[The Truth and Light]

So? An undeveloped foetus isn't a person.
It has no functioning brain - it cannot think. It's as much a person as an amputated limb.

It will become a person, however.

It may, but it may not. Mother's decision.

[Howdoyoudoland]

Who says the fetus won't have fond memories? You're denying it that chance!

Actually, up until age 2-4 the limbic system is not yet fully developed. So by the time you reach adulthood you can't retrieve episodic memories before that time.

Wonderful, NSG supports infanticide too.

I'm gone, this place is...it's just...

[Chinese Regions]

So? An undeveloped foetus isn't a person.
It has no functioning brain - it cannot think. It's as much a person as an amputated limb.

It will become a person, however.

Irrelevant

[Baran-Duine]

Once again, consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.

its acknowledging the risk of becoming pregnant.

Acknowledging the risk =/= consent.

[Moriskov]

Actually, up until age 2-4 the limbic system is not yet fully developed. So by the time you reach adulthood you can't retrieve episodic memories before that time.

Wonderful, NSG supports infanticide too.

I'm gone, this place is...it's just...

Then stop posting. Simple as that.

[Shambhala Sangha]

Irrelevant they are both living beings.

So? An undeveloped foetus isn't a person.
It has no functioning brain - it cannot think. It's as much a person as an amputated limb.

Support my amputed legs right to marry.

[Vazdania]

yes you should? just because you acknowledged the risk of something doesn't mean you shouldn't receive ad if you are damaged.

...And you still want to ban abortions?

they don't normally damage you. Of course you have to go through the entire birthing process, but that is how all people are made.

[Ashmoria]

So? An undeveloped foetus isn't a person.
It has no functioning brain - it cannot think. It's as much a person as an amputated limb.

It will become a person, however.

it MIGHT become a person. many embryos/fetuses die before they ever get the chance to be born.

[San Leggera]

Actually, up until age 2-4 the limbic system is not yet fully developed. So by the time you reach adulthood you can't retrieve episodic memories before that time.

Wonderful, NSG supports infanticide too.

I'm gone, this place is...it's just...

Nowhere in Oneracon's post was it suggested that s/he supported infanticide.