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Great Nepal
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Postby Great Nepal » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:16 pm

Howdoyoudoland wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Until the unborn child exits the mother's body, it is not a human being.

It's a living being, isn't it?

Intestinal parasite is also living organism. So is this tasty chicken I am eating.
I wont have objection killing either.
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:16 pm

The Truth and Light wrote:
Vazdania wrote:she consented to have sex and her decision should not affect the life of another.

No , rape is defined as sex which is not consented to.

Consent to sex is not now, nor has it ever been, consent to pregnancy.

its acknowledging the risk of becoming pregnant.

just like jumping off a cliff is acknowledging the risk that you might die.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:17 pm

It isn't ok. Legal doesn't mean Ok.
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Postby Seshephe » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:17 pm

Howdoyoudoland wrote:to kill an unborn fetus, and not a person in a coma?

who says it's not?
If the coma is deep enough it is essentially no different than being brain dead...

If you are referring to a person with some hope of survival then it is a human being with memories, a personality etc.
A fetus is just some human cells with the potential of becoming a human person.


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Postby The Truth and Light » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:17 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:Consent to sex is not now, nor has it ever been, consent to pregnancy.

its acknowledging the risk of becoming pregnant.

just like jumping off a cliff is acknowledging the risk that you might die.

Walking down the street acknowledges that you might get flattened by four tires.

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Postby Baran-Duine » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:17 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Baran-Duine wrote:Which means, according to your logic, that people who have been in car accidents should be denied appropriate medical treatment.

No. Even people who are emo cutters should still receive treatment for their injuries.

But women should be denied appropriate medical treatment... :roll:
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Postby Howdoyoudoland » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:17 pm

Zottistan wrote:
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More like someone you invited to live with you and then bailed on at the last moment, because you're a selfish and spoiled person.



...Ugh...

You're seriously telling me I don't have the right to kick somebody out of my house? Or that if I tell a guy I want to stop having sex and he keeps going, it isn't rape? Or that if I say "you can have some food" and you take more than was agreed, it isn't theft?


Your analogies are horrible.

As for "ugh", if you don't have anything to say, don't try to act like you do. A foetus is a parasite because it lives inside another living thing and feeds off that thing's resources. Parasite.


You use the word parasite to dehumanize the fetus and lessen your atrocities.
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Postby Great Nepal » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:18 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:Consent to sex is not now, nor has it ever been, consent to pregnancy.

its acknowledging the risk of becoming pregnant.

just like jumping off a cliff is acknowledging the risk that you might die.

Just like crossing road is acknowledging the risk that you might get run over.
Hence, next time you cross the road, I should run you over and you shouldn't sue me. Obviously.
Not a actual threat. Just incase someone was wondering.
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Postby Shambhala Sangha » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:18 pm

If people think abortion should be illegal then so too must masterbatiob. That's right, you're aborting living cells from your body. After all, first trimester embryo is no more conscious than a kidney or spleen.

Stone those masterbating sinners! They're killing thousands of lives!

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Postby Vazdania » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:18 pm

The Truth and Light wrote:
Vazdania wrote:its acknowledging the risk of becoming pregnant.

just like jumping off a cliff is acknowledging the risk that you might die.

Walking down the street acknowledges that you might get flattened by four tires.

yes.
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Postby Oterro » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:19 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
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A fetus isn't any of these things.

They indeed do act as a parasitic organism, and may be metaphorically equated with rapists, thieves, and trespassers.

wait

wait

they aren't alive

and have the capacity to act as thieves rapists and tresspassers?

i'm not exactly prolife but that is some bullshit.
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Postby Howdoyoudoland » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:19 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Howdoyoudoland wrote:It's a living being, isn't it?

Intestinal parasite is also living organism. So is this tasty chicken I am eating.
I wont have objection killing either.

Gruesome.

Well, you lack empathy. No point in arguing with you, now that I know why you have no problem with killing an unborn fetus.

I wonder if anyone else will be so honest?
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Postby Baran-Duine » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:19 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
ANd when a woman no longer consents to carrying a fetus, and you force her to carry it to term against her will, is that not rape?

she consented to have sex and her decision should not affect the life of another.

Once again, consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:19 pm

Shambhala Sangha wrote:If people think abortion should be illegal then so too must masterbatiob. That's right, you're aborting living cells from your body. After all, first trimester embryo is no more conscious than a kidney or spleen.

Stone those masterbating sinners! They're killing thousands of lives!

well actually those cells only have 23 chromosomes....not 46...
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:19 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:Walking down the street acknowledges that you might get flattened by four tires.

yes.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't get medical treatment to correct the damage if it happens.

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Postby The Truth and Light » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:19 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:Walking down the street acknowledges that you might get flattened by four tires.

yes.

You shouldn't receive treatment for your crushed bones and internal organ ruptures, by your logic, then.

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Postby Great Nepal » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:19 pm

Howdoyoudoland wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Intestinal parasite is also living organism. So is this tasty chicken I am eating.
I wont have objection killing either.

Gruesome.

Well, you lack empathy. No point in arguing with you, now that I know why you have no problem with killing an unborn fetus.

I wonder if anyone else will be so honest?

So next time you get Intestinal parasite, dont take medicine. Oh and dont eat anything.
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Postby Oneracon » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:19 pm

Howdoyoudoland wrote:
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Until the unborn child exits the mother's body, it is not a human being.

It's a living being, isn't it?


So a fetus in a womb is capable of metabolism, reproduction, growth, and adaptation to environment through changes originating internally?
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Postby The Truth and Light » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:20 pm

Howdoyoudoland wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Intestinal parasite is also living organism. So is this tasty chicken I am eating.
I wont have objection killing either.

Gruesome.

Well, you lack empathy. No point in arguing with you, now that I know why you have no problem with killing an unborn fetus.

I wonder if anyone else will be so honest?

Plants are alive, you honestly have so much empathy that you're willing to starve?

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Postby Ashmoria » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:20 pm

Howdoyoudoland wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:a fetus isnt a person and a person in a coma is...a person.

They're both living beings, neither of them able to defend themselves, and neither of any particular "use" to the world in their states.

yes

but they are not both persons.

and there does come a time when it is legitimate to "kill a person in a coma".
whatever

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Postby Vazdania » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:20 pm

Baran-Duine wrote:
Vazdania wrote:she consented to have sex and her decision should not affect the life of another.

Once again, consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.

its acknowledging the risk of becoming pregnant.

Its just like jumping off a cliff, if you do so, you're acknowledging the risk of dying.
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Postby Howdoyoudoland » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:20 pm

Seshephe wrote:
Howdoyoudoland wrote:to kill an unborn fetus, and not a person in a coma?

who says it's not?
If the coma is deep enough it is essentially no different than being brain dead...

If you are referring to a person with some hope of survival then it is a human being with memories, a personality etc.
A fetus is just some human cells with the potential of becoming a human person.


Who says the fetus won't have fond memories? You're denying it that chance!
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Postby The Truth and Light » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:20 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Howdoyoudoland wrote:Gruesome.

Well, you lack empathy. No point in arguing with you, now that I know why you have no problem with killing an unborn fetus.

I wonder if anyone else will be so honest?

So next time you get Intestinal parasite, dont take medicine. Oh and turn vegan.

Turn starvation, by his logic.

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Postby San Leggera » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:21 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Baran-Duine wrote:Once again, consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.

its acknowledging the risk of becoming pregnant.

Its just like jumping off a cliff, if you do so, you're acknowledging the risk of dying.

Acknowledging something does not equal consent.
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