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Postby Howdoyoudoland » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:51 am

to kill an unborn fetus, and not a person in a coma?
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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:53 am

there are many situations in which it is acceptable and has been carried out where a person in a coma has been killed

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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:54 am

Because a person in a coma often has left a will or has otherwise stated an intent to live. A fetus cannot, by definition, state it's intent to live as it is not sentient or sapient.

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Postby Zottistan » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:54 am

Because people in comas aren't parasites, rapists, thieves or trespassers. Generally.
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Postby Howdoyoudoland » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:55 am

Souseiseki wrote:there are many situations in which it is acceptable and has been carried out where a person in a coma has been killed

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Not really, not in the same sense.

Kill an unborn baby? Everyone's fine with that.

Kill someone in a coma? People hold candlelight vigils outside your hospital room.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:55 am

Zottistan wrote:Because people in comas aren't parasites, rapists, thieves or trespassers. Generally.

a fetus stole my purse once, and that is why i am anti-life
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Postby Divair » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:55 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Because people in comas aren't parasites, rapists, thieves or trespassers. Generally.

a fetus stole my purse once, and that is why i am anti-life

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Postby Howdoyoudoland » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:55 am

Ceannairceach wrote:Because a person in a coma often has left a will or has otherwise stated an intent to live. A fetus cannot, by definition, state it's intent to live as it is not sentient or sapient.


So kill it because it has no voice? Wonderful...
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Postby Howdoyoudoland » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:56 am

Zottistan wrote:Because people in comas aren't parasites, rapists, thieves or trespassers. Generally.


Neither is a fetus.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:56 am

Howdoyoudoland wrote:to kill an unborn fetus, and not a person in a coma?


Why would it be okay in your opinion to force a woman to carry an unwanted fetus to term and not okay to force people to donate organs or give blood?
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Postby Howdoyoudoland » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:56 am

Divair wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:a fetus stole my purse once, and that is why i am anti-life

Lol'd

You would.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:56 am

Howdoyoudoland wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:there are many situations in which it is acceptable and has been carried out where a person in a coma has been killed

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Not really, not in the same sense.

Kill an unborn baby? Everyone's fine with that.

Kill someone in a coma? People hold candlelight vigils outside your hospital room.

you don't seem like you're fine with it. for a good week or so there were old people outside the royal infirmary holding up plaques about abortions. they've probably had candle lit vigils in america but not here it's too rainy and windy to do that.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:57 am

Howdoyoudoland wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Because a person in a coma often has left a will or has otherwise stated an intent to live. A fetus cannot, by definition, state it's intent to live as it is not sentient or sapient.


So kill it because it has no voice? Wonderful...

No, we remove it from the womb because it is a burden upon the mother. It's death is a side effect of the abortion process, nothing more.

The death does not matter because they are not capable of considering the idea of living, let alone voicing it.

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Postby Howdoyoudoland » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:57 am

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Howdoyoudoland wrote:to kill an unborn fetus, and not a person in a coma?


Why would it be okay in your opinion to force a woman to carry an unwanted fetus to term and not okay to force people to donate organs or give blood?


Who says it isn't okay to force people to do those things...

In any case, it's not as if the fetus got their own his own. You know, snuck a teeny, tiny jet plane into her vagina or something.
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Postby Divair » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:58 am

Howdoyoudoland wrote:
Divair wrote:Lol'd

You would.

That's why I did. No need to point it out.
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Postby Howdoyoudoland » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:58 am

Ceannairceach wrote:
Howdoyoudoland wrote:
So kill it because it has no voice? Wonderful...

No, we remove it from the womb because it is a burden upon the mother. It's death is a side effect of the abortion process, nothing more.

The death does not matter because they are not capable of considering the idea of living, let alone voicing it.


A burden she brought in, that now has a life. Why shouldn't we let it live?
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Postby Howdoyoudoland » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:59 am

Divair wrote:
Howdoyoudoland wrote:You would.

That's why I did. No need to point it out.

Sure, I want to display what an outrageous person you are.
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:59 am

Zottistan wrote:Because people in comas aren't parasites, rapists, thieves or trespassers. Generally.


A fetus isn't any of these things.

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Postby Vazdania » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:59 am

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Howdoyoudoland wrote:to kill an unborn fetus, and not a person in a coma?


Why would it be okay in your opinion to force a woman to carry an unwanted fetus to term and not okay to force people to donate organs or give blood?

Because she chose to have heterosexual SEX, which can result in a child. She knew the consequences of her actions.(excluding rape)
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:59 am

Howdoyoudoland wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:No, we remove it from the womb because it is a burden upon the mother. It's death is a side effect of the abortion process, nothing more.

The death does not matter because they are not capable of considering the idea of living, let alone voicing it.


A burden she brought in, that now has a life. Why shouldn't we let it live?

She didn't "bring it in". She, most of the time, excluding cases of rape, allowed a penis to enter her vagina in an act of sexual pleasure. Consenting to sex does not equate to consenting to pregnancy.

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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:00 pm

Howdoyoudoland wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Why would it be okay in your opinion to force a woman to carry an unwanted fetus to term and not okay to force people to donate organs or give blood?


Who says it isn't okay to force people to do those things...

In any case, it's not as if the fetus got their own his own. You know, snuck a teeny, tiny jet plane into her vagina or something.


Would you be comfortable knowing you were born against your mother's will?
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:00 pm

Wind in the Willows wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Because people in comas aren't parasites, rapists, thieves or trespassers. Generally.


A fetus isn't any of these things.

They indeed do act as a parasitic organism, and may be metaphorically equated with rapists, thieves, and trespassers.

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:00 pm

Howdoyoudoland wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Why would it be okay in your opinion to force a woman to carry an unwanted fetus to term and not okay to force people to donate organs or give blood?


Who says it isn't okay to force people to do those things...

In any case, it's not as if the fetus got their own his own. You know, snuck a teeny, tiny jet plane into her vagina or something.


It's irrelevant how the fetus got there. In the United States(and most of the rest of the civilized world) our legal right to control our own body trumps the rights of other people.

Even a corpse has that right. Kudos to you for suggesting that you would be okay with forcing compulsory blood donation or organ donation. Most people have a double standard when it comes to that sort of thing. Most people think that a corpse has more rights than a pregnant woman. Then again, most people think we have rights.
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Postby Divair » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:00 pm

Howdoyoudoland wrote:Sure, I want to display what an outrageous person you are.

Because I laughed at a joke. Surely now all of NSG will start hating on me.



Funny to see you thread-jack your own thread, too.

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Postby Howdoyoudoland » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:00 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Howdoyoudoland wrote:
A burden she brought in, that now has a life. Why shouldn't we let it live?

She didn't "bring it in". She, most of the time, excluding cases of rape, allowed a penis to enter her vagina in an act of sexual pleasure. Consenting to sex does not equate to consenting to pregnancy.

Sure it does, what happens when you have sex?
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