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Do you believe in the death penalty?

Yes (for all crimes, including biblical crimes)
7
5%
Yes (for many crimes)
24
16%
Yes (only in extreme circumstances)
56
37%
No (not even for extreme crimes)
22
14%
No (it should not even be considered)
44
29%
 
Total votes : 153

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Re: Do you believe in the death penalty?

Postby Muravyets » Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:28 pm

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Postby Milks Empire » Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:35 pm

We kill people who kill people to show that it's wrong to kill people.

Am I the only one who sees something very, very twisted about that?

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Postby Boonytopia » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:10 pm

Milks Empire wrote:We kill people who kill people to show that it's wrong to kill people.

Am I the only one who sees something very, very twisted about that?


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Postby Anti-Social Darwinism » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:26 pm

Milks Empire wrote:We kill people who kill people to show that it's wrong to kill people.

Am I the only one who sees something very, very twisted about that?


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We don't kill people who kill people in order to demonstrate that it's wrong to kill people, we do it to keep the killer from killing again. In that sense, it's an excellent deterrent.
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Postby Hamilay » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:34 pm

Milks Empire wrote:We kill people who kill people to show that it's wrong to kill people.

Am I the only one who sees something very, very twisted about that?


Is it wrong to imprison people for deprivation of liberty?

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Postby Muravyets » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:49 pm

Anti-Social Darwinism wrote:
Milks Empire wrote:We kill people who kill people to show that it's wrong to kill people.

Am I the only one who sees something very, very twisted about that?


"My object all sublime
is to let the punishment fit the crime."

The Mikado - Gilbert and Sullivan

We don't kill people who kill people in order to demonstrate that it's wrong to kill people, we do it to keep the killer from killing again. In that sense, it's an excellent deterrent.

False. That's not what a deterrent is. A deterrent causes a person to decide not to do something. If they're dead, they can't decide to do or not do anything.

Or as the Riddler played by Jim Carrey put it, "If ya kill 'im, he won't learn nuthin'."

And statistics show that the threat of death DOES NOT deter violent crime. So killing people will not make OTHER people decide not to commit whatever they might be planning to commit.
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Postby Milks Empire » Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:38 pm

Anti-Social Darwinism wrote:
Milks Empire wrote:We kill people who kill people to show that it's wrong to kill people.

Am I the only one who sees something very, very twisted about that?


"My object all sublime
is to let the punishment fit the crime."

The Mikado - Gilbert and Sullivan

We don't kill people who kill people in order to demonstrate that it's wrong to kill people, we do it to keep the killer from killing again. In that sense, it's an excellent deterrent.

You cannot deter someone who cannot choose. A dead person cannot choose.

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Postby Dododecapod » Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:50 pm

I don't believe in killing people as a deterrant, nor simply as a punishment.

However, I am most certainly convinced that there are those who must be removed forever from society, such that they can never have even the possibility of interacting with normal, law-abiding people again. Pragmatically, the Death Penalty is the best way to achieve that.
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Postby Kyronea » Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:15 pm

South East Europe wrote:Do you believe in the death penalty, yes or no? and what crimes should the death penalty be proscribed for? On the extreme right, homosexuality and abortion are crimes that deserve the death penalty. On the extreme left, not even murder or rape deserve the death penalty. Now, I personally say yes but only in extreme circumstances. I will tell you why, people should only be executed only if it has to be done. What are your opinions or sentiments?

Maybe if civilization had collapsed or if we were in a situation where resources and such were so limited that keeping prisoners/rehabilitating people was simply unaffordable, I'd--reluctantly--approve of it.

But given that none of that is the case, that we have plentiful resources at hand to rehabilitate criminals, we have no reason to utilize it. It is not effective as a deterrent and it can and does affect innocents as well as the guilty.

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Postby JuNii » Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:47 pm

I feel that the death penalty should only be used in cases where the criminal has Ben shown that they cannot be rehabilitated., career criminals and persons who failed their last chance for parole.
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Postby Gregariana (Ancient) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:51 pm

Only in extreme situations, as in multiple murders or other cases where the person has taken more than one life and will continue to do so.

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Postby The Republic of Llamas » Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:52 pm

Only if it the crime is very serious (first-degree murder or worse) and it is the only way to ensure that people are protected.

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Postby Humanska » Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:52 pm

No, it's gives criminals the easy way out.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:53 pm

JuNii wrote:I feel that the death penalty should only be used in cases where the criminal has Ben shown that they cannot be rehabilitated., career criminals and persons who failed their last chance for parole.

Junii what have you done?! What gravediggery is this?
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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:00 pm

No. Not at all. Not for rape, not for murder, not for anything.
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The Godly Nations
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Postby The Godly Nations » Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:03 pm

Yes, I do believe that there is such thing as a death penalty.

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Postby Ermarian » Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:45 pm

While I consider the death penalty to be justified in a certain rare number of cases, I also know that it is not possible to isolate them. If the legal framework for the death penalty exists at all, then it can and will be used above and beyond these cases. Guilty people who do not deserve death, and innocent people, will be killed.

As the life of an individual who deserves death is a lesser evil than the death of one who deserves life, the inevitable consequence is that the death penalty must be abolished, completely, in any civilized society.
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Postby Kalarin » Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:52 pm

No but I do believe that crime needs harsher punishment though, the death penalty is simply stupid and hypocritical what gives anyone the right to take a life.
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Postby Yjafjord » Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:57 pm

yes and no, for the most extreme, do it, but PROVE IT without a doubt that he did it first.
and for extremes I'm not talking about the normal murder, but rather extreme such as the Nuremberg trials extreme...
without victor's justice...
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I am, trying to imagine that, all I can think of is pain....You know though, someone out there, being drunk or high enough, probably tried.


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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:02 pm

It's expensive, it kills innocent people, it doesn't work as a deterrent and it has a 0% rehabilitation rate. Before we even get to any of the moral shit, it's already a fucking awful idea.

EDIT: Sorry, just noticed the absurd grave-dig.
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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Postby Yjafjord » Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:04 pm

Salandriagado wrote:It's expensive, it kills innocent people, it doesn't work as a deterrent and it has a 0% rehabilitation rate. Before we even get to any of the moral shit, it's already a fucking awful idea.

EDIT: Sorry, just noticed the absurd grave-dig.

"innocent?"
yes as my view of it being used on war criminals is invalid as said war criminals are "innocent"

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So says the Glorious General Secretary of the Undefeated Military Party of Yjafjord whose every step makes the Earth tremble, whose resplendent body inspires awe in all who view, and whose very voice causes orgasms and pregnancies

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Bilgeria wrote:
Yjafjord wrote:
IF YOU REALLY TRIED, I'M SURE YOU COULD SOMEHOW SNORT UP A REVOLVER! :rofl:


I am, trying to imagine that, all I can think of is pain....You know though, someone out there, being drunk or high enough, probably tried.


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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:05 pm

Yjafjord wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:It's expensive, it kills innocent people, it doesn't work as a deterrent and it has a 0% rehabilitation rate. Before we even get to any of the moral shit, it's already a fucking awful idea.

EDIT: Sorry, just noticed the absurd grave-dig.

"innocent?"
yes as my view of it being used on war criminals is invalid as said war criminals are "innocent"


The judicial system makes mistakes. Even with war crimes trials.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

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Postby Yjafjord » Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:07 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Yjafjord wrote:"innocent?"
yes as my view of it being used on war criminals is invalid as said war criminals are "innocent"


The judicial system makes mistakes. Even with war crimes trials.

without victor's justice with international courts, and only if you are 100% sure like i said...
So says the Glorious General Secretary of the Undefeated Military Party of Yjafjord whose every step makes the Earth tremble, whose resplendent body inspires awe in all who view, and whose very voice causes orgasms and pregnancies

note that my nations have next to nothing to do with my views, they are simply for fun
nations: Hulfya, Soviet Murka, Gulki, Empire of Konh, The Complete Lunatics, and Yjafjord

Bilgeria wrote:
Yjafjord wrote:
IF YOU REALLY TRIED, I'M SURE YOU COULD SOMEHOW SNORT UP A REVOLVER! :rofl:


I am, trying to imagine that, all I can think of is pain....You know though, someone out there, being drunk or high enough, probably tried.


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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:08 pm

Yjafjord wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
The judicial system makes mistakes. Even with war crimes trials.

without victor's justice with international courts, and only if you are 100% sure like i said...


You can absolutely never be 100% sure. Ever. At all.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby The Godly Nations » Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:12 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Yjafjord wrote:without victor's justice with international courts, and only if you are 100% sure like i said...


You can absolutely never be 100% sure. Ever. At all.


As the Officer says, Guilt must never be in doubt.

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