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What should the government do?

Mandatory Tolerance Classes For Everyone
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Let them have Muslim Areas
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Kick all the radical Muslims out of Europe
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SET FIRE TO THE OLD WORLD AND WATCH IT BURN!
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Total votes : 305

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Postby New Sapienta » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:16 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:Because it would?


but i thought he wasn't a real muslim and the majority of muslims are moderates?

I'm pretty sure they said it would anger muslim extremists into further action.

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Postby Scholencia » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:18 pm

Typhlochactas wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:Only when enforced, but unless someone is in power to enforce it, they do not.


Imagine if President Obama said ''I believe that Muhammad is a sick paedophile who put his dick up in little girls''.

You don't see any way that could endanger public safety?

You are 100% right. Because of the public safety islamophobia should be banned, it would outrage the poor people who left their country for a better life. But also that should not go for artist or anybody who would said Jesus instead Muhhamad.

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Postby North Calaveras » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:18 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
but i thought he wasn't a real muslim and the majority of muslims are moderates?

I'm pretty sure they said it would anger muslim extremists into further action.


But if most muslims were moderate why does it matter? Unless most muslims are extremists and if that was the case fuck them who cares.
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Postby Souseiseki » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:18 pm

oh man, another thread citing the daily mail with stupid poll options. fun.
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Postby Typhlochactas » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:18 pm

New Sapienta wrote:I never said they can't be.


That's a nice lil' bit of revisionism you got going there.

New Sapienta wrote:It is though, because the first advocated your personal opinion, while the second causes everyone in a theatre to be panicked.


You made a distinction between person opinion and endangering public safety.

Typhlochactas wrote:Political beliefs can never endanger public safety?


I followed up on that distinction with this question.

New Sapienta wrote:Only when enforced, but unless someone is in power to enforce it, they do not.


Here, you stood by the distinction.

Please don't flip-flop.


And you did say people with certain opinions should be arrested.


Which has what to do with censorship of offensive things?

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Postby New Sapienta » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:18 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:I'm pretty sure they said it would anger muslim extremists into further action.


But if most muslims were moderate why does it matter? Unless most muslims are extremists and if that was the case fuck them who cares.

Because clearly, a small terrorist group of extremists could never hurt anyone. :roll:

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Shambhala Sangha
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Postby Shambhala Sangha » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:18 pm

:lol:
North Stradia wrote:
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Didn't you post those links already?

Yes, but this person didn't see them. And they're something that everybody should see.



Oh! Oh! Next do the death tolls caused by the presidents of the USA whom claim to be Christian

Unless you figure murder is only justified when the government tells you it is?

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Postby Typhlochactas » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:20 pm

Scholencia wrote:
Typhlochactas wrote:
Imagine if President Obama said ''I believe that Muhammad is a sick paedophile who put his dick up in little girls''.

You don't see any way that could endanger public safety?

You are 100% right. Because of the public safety islamophobia should be banned, it would outrage the poor people who left their country for a better life. But also that should not go for artist or anybody who would said Jesus instead Muhhamad.


No. I think the Muslims who riot over those comments should just grow some skin. I'd say the same about any 'mass offense' event.

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Scholencia
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Postby Scholencia » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:20 pm

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Scholencia wrote:Ok, but so is in Christianity the case. And yet in some parts of Europe christian crosses are tolerated in public.


Christians aren't really known for going around killing unbelievers anymore(save for maybe in africa)

Ok really? Have you heard for Breivik? What he did was terrible. 9/11 was nothing in compare what he did.

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Postby New Sapienta » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:21 pm

Typhlochactas wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:I never said they can't be.


That's a nice lil' bit of revisionism you got going there.

New Sapienta wrote:It is though, because the first advocated your personal opinion, while the second causes everyone in a theatre to be panicked.


You made a distinction between person opinion and endangering public safety.

Typhlochactas wrote:Political beliefs can never endanger public safety?


I followed up on that distinction with this question.

New Sapienta wrote:Only when enforced, but unless someone is in power to enforce it, they do not.


Here, you stood by the distinction.

Please don't flip-flop.


And you did say people with certain opinions should be arrested.


Which has what to do with censorship of offensive things?

Then I'll admit I'm worng about endangering public safety.

However, you are still censoring opinion by arresting people who hold them.

Where do you stop? Do people who would advocate banning guns advocate murder because tit could cause some gun makers to be pushed into starvation?

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North Calaveras
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Postby North Calaveras » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:22 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
But if most muslims were moderate why does it matter? Unless most muslims are extremists and if that was the case fuck them who cares.

Because clearly, a small terrorist group of extremists could never hurt anyone. :roll:


Won't they do it anyways? nothing would change except they would reveal themselves.
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Postby Typhlochactas » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:22 pm

New Sapienta wrote:Where do you stop? Do people who would advocate banning guns advocate murder because tit could cause some gun makers to be pushed into starvation?


Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa.

What?

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Postby New Sapienta » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:23 pm

Typhlochactas wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:Where do you stop? Do people who would advocate banning guns advocate murder because tit could cause some gun makers to be pushed into starvation?


Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa.

What?

Throwing people in prison for their believes causes a very slippery slope.

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Postby Sulamalik » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:23 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:Because clearly, a small terrorist group of extremists could never hurt anyone. :roll:


Won't they do it anyways? nothing would change except they would reveal themselves.


I'm pretty sure the lives of their victims would change.
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Postby New Sapienta » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:24 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:Because clearly, a small terrorist group of extremists could never hurt anyone. :roll:


Won't they do it anyways? nothing would change except they would reveal themselves.

Except they could be provoked to instead of defend thier operation in the Middle East attack the most nearby Christian enclave.

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Postby North Calaveras » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:24 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Won't they do it anyways? nothing would change except they would reveal themselves.

Except they could be provoked to instead of defend thier operation in the Middle East attack the most nearby Christian enclave.


So do what they already do? They aren't really known for playing a lot of defense.
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Postby Typhlochactas » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:25 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
Typhlochactas wrote:
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa.

What?

Throwing people in prison for their believes causes a very slippery slope.


You're assuming that A leads to B which leads to C without proving that it can't stop at B.

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Postby North Calaveras » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:25 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
But if most muslims were moderate why does it matter? Unless most muslims are extremists and if that was the case fuck them who cares.

Because clearly, a small terrorist group of extremists could never hurt anyone. :roll:


Did not say that or even imply that.
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Postby New Sapienta » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:25 pm

Typhlochactas wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:Throwing people in prison for their believes causes a very slippery slope.


You're assuming that A leads to B which leads to C without proving that it can't stop at B.

You believe throwing someone who believe in murder in jail.

Then if someone thinks C leads to murder, why can't they throw them in jail as well?

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Postby Gauthier » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:25 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
but i thought he wasn't a real muslim and the majority of muslims are moderates?


So the majority are fanatics?


So clearly we should convert or kill them all. *nod*
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Postby New Sapienta » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:26 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:Except they could be provoked to instead of defend thier operation in the Middle East attack the most nearby Christian enclave.


So do what they already do? They aren't really known for playing a lot of defense.

Defense as in keeping there terroist opertion in the Middle East operative instead of abandoning it and attacking everything.

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Postby Typhlochactas » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:27 pm

New Sapienta wrote:You believe throwing someone who believe in murder in jail.


Do I?

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Postby New Sapienta » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:27 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:Because clearly, a small terrorist group of extremists could never hurt anyone. :roll:


Did not say that or even imply that.

You said it doesn't matter if you piss of muslim extremists if their a minority.

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Postby North Calaveras » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:27 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
So do what they already do? They aren't really known for playing a lot of defense.

Defense as in keeping there terroist opertion in the Middle East operative instead of abandoning it and attacking everything.


So we shouldn't show Osamas dead face in fear that terrorists might attack us....
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Postby Sulamalik » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:28 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:Defense as in keeping there terroist opertion in the Middle East operative instead of abandoning it and attacking everything.


So we shouldn't show Osamas dead face in fear that terrorists might attack us....


That or very angry non-terrorist Arabs looking for an excuse to be very angry.
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