"This is a Muslim Area" Shariah law gangs in action

[Typhlochactas]

There's nothing wrong with taking away free speech to defend free speech.

This sentence is hilarious

Is there something wrong with taking away liberty to defend liberty?

[Arkotania]

Exercising my freedom of speech would lead to me being punished for it?

If you're trying to put an end to free speech, yes.

We put an end to people's liberty to defend liberty. We take away rights to defend rights. There's nothing wrong with taking away free speech to defend free speech.

Considering the fact many people today support such liberties voluntarily, wouldn't the fact that the liberty is threatened mean that those who are supposed to be upholding that liberty are failing?

I'm pretty sure ending specific people's liberties to defend "total liberty" would soon lead to the end of liberty as a whole. Punishing those who oppose the freedom of speech by taking their freedom of speech away, would just benefit them. If you were to criticise them for using the freedom of speech to go against freedom of speech, people would logically see them saying no to freedom of speech as a foolish vote.

A hypocritical government makes a bad government.

[North Stradia]

This sentence is hilarious

Is there something wrong with taking away liberty to defend liberty?

Yes. That also makes no sense.

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Security, deserve neither.” -Ben Franklin

[Sulamalik]

Does that go for gun rights too?

What do you mean?

Should we imprison people who wish to abolish the right to bear arms?

[EnragedMaldivians]

There's nothing stupid about extending the protection of the law even to people who don't agree with that law.

It becomes stupid when you protect people with a law they want to get rid of. If you let people who want to get rid of free speech talk, you inch closer to the abolishment of it. A society that believes in tolerance should not tolerate the intolerant. A society that believes in rights should not tolerate those who do not believe in rights.

We were discussing imprisoning GIE for opposing free speech.

I don't prefer to get into a ''you said, to which I said'' thing.

I rather doubt that.

Nice to hear it.

Lol. Great Islamic Empire is no threat to me. His posts get on my nerves a bit, whether he's being sincere or not....but then I should at least make a token effort to live up to my online moniker.

He should have the right to free speech just like anyone else.

[Typhlochactas]

Holy fuck guys, read my signature.

[Ifreann]

There's nothing stupid about extending the protection of the law even to people who don't agree with that law.

It becomes stupid when you protect people with a law they want to get rid of. If you let people who want to get rid of free speech talk, you inch closer to the abolishment of it.

It's a good thing we also let people who support free speech talk. Bingo, problem solved.

A society that believes in tolerance should not tolerate the intolerant. A society that believes in rights should not tolerate those who do not believe in rights.

No thanks, I'm not interested in a society that affords rights only to people of the 'proper' political persuasion. I have this thing where I don't completely hate everything the West stands for.

I rather doubt that.

Nice to hear it.

Not going to elaborate on your point? Fair enough.

[Typhlochactas]

What do you mean?

Should we imprison people who wish to abolish the right to bear arms?

Depends on how they want to do it.

[The Truth and Light]

The left-wing really needs to wake up. I've been a liberal all my life, but when it becomes such an issue to tolerate different religions, that you can't even speak out against a terribly oppressive, violent, and backwards ideology, I really don't want to be associated with you guys anymore. Fuck Shariah law.

[Sulamalik]

Should we imprison people who wish to abolish the right to bear arms?

Depends on how they want to do it.

Making the private ownership of firearms illegal.

[Typhlochactas]

No thanks, I'm not interested in a society that affords rights only to people of the 'proper' political persuasion.

Nice to hear it.

Not going to elaborate on your point? Fair enough.

What's there to argue against? All you did was express your doubt. Okay, you doubt my post. So what?

[Gauthier]

The left-wing really needs to wake up. I've been a liberal all my life, but when it becomes such an issue to tolerate different religions, that you can't even speak out against a terribly oppressive, violent, and backwards ideology, I really don't want to be associated with you guys anymore. Fuck Shariah law.

Because a collection of punks being punks is the surest sign the Muslim Hivemind is mobilizing to take over the world. *nod*

[The Truth and Light]

The left-wing really needs to wake up. I've been a liberal all my life, but when it becomes such an issue to tolerate different religions, that you can't even speak out against a terribly oppressive, violent, and backwards ideology, I really don't want to be associated with you guys anymore. Fuck Shariah law.

Because a collection of punks being punks is the surest sign the Muslim Hivemind is mobilizing to take over the world. *nod*

I could really care less about punks.

I find it disturbing in the actual countries where it is practiced.

[EnragedMaldivians]

The left-wing really needs to wake up. I've been a liberal all my life, but when it becomes such an issue to tolerate different religions, that you can't even speak out against a terribly oppressive, violent, and backwards ideology, I really don't want to be associated with you guys anymore. Fuck Shariah law.

That Britain is on the precipice of being taken over by Shariah law is hyperbole intended to impose suspicion on its entire Muslim community. The 'liberals' are not excusing these individuals; they just don't see the need to make mountains out of molehills.

[Typhlochactas]

The left-wing really needs to wake up. I've been a liberal all my life, but when it becomes such an issue to tolerate different religions, that you can't even speak out against a terribly oppressive, violent, and backwards ideology, I really don't want to be associated with you guys anymore. Fuck Shariah law.

Because a collection of punks being punks is the surest sign the Muslim Hivemind is mobilizing to take over the world. *nod*

All he said was that Sharia law is incompatible with liberalism. You're making things up that aren't there.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Because a collection of punks being punks is the surest sign the Muslim Hivemind is mobilizing to take over the world. *nod*

I could really care less about punks.

I find it disturbing in the actual countries where it is practiced.

This thread pertains to Britain.

[Typhlochactas]

Depends on how they want to do it.

Making the private ownership of firearms illegal.

That's not what I was trying to ask.

Through what method are they abolishing the second amendment?

[The Truth and Light]

The left-wing really needs to wake up. I've been a liberal all my life, but when it becomes such an issue to tolerate different religions, that you can't even speak out against a terribly oppressive, violent, and backwards ideology, I really don't want to be associated with you guys anymore. Fuck Shariah law.

That Britain is on the precipice of being taken over by Shariah law is hyperbole intended to impose suspicion on its entire Muslim community. The 'liberals' are not excusing these individuals; they just don't see the need to make mountains out of molehills.

I never said anything about Britain one way or the other.

My post was about Shariah law.

[The Truth and Light]

I could really care less about punks.

I find it disturbing in the actual countries where it is practiced.

This thread pertains to Britain.

Can I talk about Shariah law? I wanna talk about Shariah law. It's in the ballpark.

[Gauthier]

This thread pertains to Britain.

Can I talk about Shariah law? I wanna talk about Shariah law. It's in the ballpark.

Make your own thread if you want to talk about Sharia law.

[North Stradia]

Can I talk about Shariah law? I wanna talk about Shariah law. It's in the ballpark.

Make your own thread if you want to talk about Sharia law.

This topic is about Shariah law.

Your ignorance about Islam shocks me.

[EnragedMaldivians]

That Britain is on the precipice of being taken over by Shariah law is hyperbole intended to impose suspicion on its entire Muslim community. The 'liberals' are not excusing these individuals; they just don't see the need to make mountains out of molehills.

I never said anything about Britain one way or the other.

My post was about Shariah law.

I don't see any left wing apologism for Shariah law on this thread. Which, again, pertains to Britain and not Shariah law in general.

I think you got a little worked up mate.

[Typhlochactas]

Can I talk about Shariah law? I wanna talk about Shariah law. It's in the ballpark.

Make your own thread if you want to talk about Sharia law.

Indeed. The OP had absolutely nothing to do with Sharia law.

[Sulamalik]

Making the private ownership of firearms illegal.

That's not what I was trying to ask.

Through what method are they abolishing the second amendment?

Democratically?

[Typhlochactas]

That's not what I was trying to ask.

Through what method are they abolishing the second amendment?

Democratically?

Democratically. Check.

More specifically?