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should abortion be legal?

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Postby Zottistan » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:36 am

Yes. Removing parasitic growths from your body should be legal.
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Postby Sophian » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:36 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Sophian wrote:
I do not think that 2nd trimester abortion should be legal unless the woman's life is in jeopardy.

It should be.


Well that's your opinion. Some people think killing babies is cool, some people don't.
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Postby Divair » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:37 am

Sophian wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:It should be.


Well that's your opinion. Some people think killing babies is cool, some people don't.

Fetuses.

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Postby Sophian » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:38 am

I don't think its that hard to invest in birth control pills, latex tools, and exercise other actions preventative of pregnancy. Its way cheaper than abortion.
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Postby Zottistan » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:38 am

Sophian wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:It should be.


Well that's your opinion. Some people think killing babies is cool, some people don't.

And some people cant tell the difference between
a) A foetus and a baby,
and
b) Killing and allowing to to die.
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Postby Divair » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:39 am

Sophian wrote:I don't think its that hard to invest in birth control pills, latex tools, and exercise other actions preventative of pregnancy. Its way cheaper than abortion.

Which would be fine and all, except birth control isn't 100% effective. Also rape.

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Postby Moon Cows » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:41 am

Zottistan wrote:Yes. Removing parasitic growths from your body should be legal.


That's what you think a child is?

No wonder studies say conservatives live happier lives than liberals.


IMO, abortion should not be legal. In most cases, this is an irresponsible person who got pregnant and cannot accept the consequences for her actions. (yes, supporting a child is a consequence to some.) Even if you must give it up for adoption, at least don't kill the unborn baby -- that is murder, really. Honestly, I couldn't imagine anyone who would support this/do this being a productive member of society.

Simple solution to not getting pregnant? Don't have sex until you're married/ready to take the risk. -gasp!-
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:42 am

Sophian wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:It should be.


Well that's your opinion. Some people think killing babies is cool, some people don't.

It's a good thing it isn't a baby.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:42 am

Yes it should be legal. Although i would prefer a person not getting pregnant in the first place if they don't want a child.
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Postby Divair » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:43 am

Moon Cows wrote:That's what you think a child is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child

"Biologically, a child (plural: children) is generally a human between the stages of birth and puberty."

Don't lie.

Moon Cows wrote:No wonder studies say conservatives live happier lives than liberals.

Sounds like BS.

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Postby Divair » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:43 am

Neutraligon wrote:Yes it should be legal. Although i would prefer a person not getting pregnant in the first place if they don't want a child.

Who wouldn't?

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Postby Zottistan » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:44 am

Moon Cows wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Yes. Removing parasitic growths from your body should be legal.


That's what you think a child is?

No wonder studies say conservatives live happier lives than liberals.


IMO, abortion should not be legal. In most cases, this is an irresponsible person who got pregnant and cannot accept the consequences for her actions. (yes, supporting a child is a consequence to some.) Even if you must give it up for adoption, at least don't kill the unborn baby -- that is murder, really. Honestly, I couldn't imagine anyone who would support this/do this being a productive member of society.

Simple solution to not getting pregnant? Don't have sex until you're married/ready to take the risk. -gasp!-

That's what I think a foetus is, yes. An organism that lives inside another organism and takes its resources. Parasite. Maybe present a counter argument? Might be appreciated.
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Postby Sophian » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:47 am

Divair wrote:
Sophian wrote:I don't think its that hard to invest in birth control pills, latex tools, and exercise other actions preventative of pregnancy. Its way cheaper than abortion.

Which would be fine and all, except birth control isn't 100% effective. Also rape.


I think 1st trimester abortion is an appalling practice, but if it was illegal it would be an even more appalling practice.
I think abortion should be legal in cases of rape, incest, the fetus is not developing properly or will inherit some terrible disease, the mother's life is in jeopardy, etc.
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Postby Duncandish » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:47 am

Yep,

Not to sound harsh but, we don't need any more humans. :twisted:
Or restrictions on what people can or cannot do.

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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:48 am

Divair wrote:
Moon Cows wrote:That's what you think a child is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child

"Biologically, a child (plural: children) is generally a human between the stages of birth and puberty."

Don't lie.

Moon Cows wrote:No wonder studies say conservatives live happier lives than liberals.

Sounds like BS.


Not really.

Reactionaries are quite adept at ignoring or denying information that contradicts or undermines their own picture of how the world should be.

It'd be awe-inspiring if it weren't so destructive.
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Postby Divair » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:48 am

Sophian wrote:
Divair wrote:Which would be fine and all, except birth control isn't 100% effective. Also rape.


I think 1st trimester abortion is an appalling practice, but if it was illegal it would be an even more appalling practice.
I think abortion should be legal in cases of rape, incest, the fetus is not developing properly or will inherit some terrible disease, the mother's life is in jeopardy, etc.

So basically at all times. Good to know.

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Postby Moon Cows » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:48 am

Divair wrote:
Moon Cows wrote:That's what you think a child is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child

"Biologically, a child (plural: children) is generally a human between the stages of birth and puberty."

Don't lie.

I don't even know what to say. How can you really believe that it is okay to end something's life? And that's what abortion is.
Moon Cows wrote:No wonder studies say conservatives live happier lives than liberals.

Sounds like BS.

Since NSers love their "source"-esque comments when they can't think of a rebuttal . . .

Here and here. Want more and its just a google away. .
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Postby New American Union » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:48 am

Pro-Life, Pro-Choice.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:50 am

Sophian wrote:
Divair wrote:Which would be fine and all, except birth control isn't 100% effective. Also rape.


I think 1st trimester abortion is an appalling practice, but if it was illegal it would be an even more appalling practice.
I think abortion should be legal in cases of rape, incest, the fetus is not developing properly or will inherit some terrible disease, the mother's life is in jeopardy, etc.


Why is a foetus conceived by rape or incest less valuable in your eyes than one conceived normally? Come on, if you're going to be against abortion, and make the claim that foetuses are valuable and hence shouldn't be aborted because it's murder, you can't then support "murdering" some of them because of the circumstances of their conception.

Moon Cows wrote:
Divair wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child

"Biologically, a child (plural: children) is generally a human between the stages of birth and puberty."

Don't lie.

I don't even know what to say. How can you really believe that it is okay to end something's life?


Ah, you object to eating everything that's lived, whether it be animal, fungus, plant or any of the other categories of life.

If you're being morally consistent, that is.
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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:50 am

Moon Cows wrote:
Divair wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child

"Biologically, a child (plural: children) is generally a human between the stages of birth and puberty."

Don't lie.

I don't even know what to say. How can you really believe that it is okay to end something's life?


Why are you so pro-cancer and pro-infectious disease?
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Postby Divair » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:52 am

Moon Cows wrote:I don't even know what to say. How can you really believe that it is okay to end something's life? And that's what abortion is.

The same reason I can justify the killing of animals:

Humans that are alive come first.


Moon Cows wrote:Since NSers love their "source"-esque comments when they can't think of a rebuttal . . .

Here and here. Want more and its just a google away. .

And frequent church goers are more happy, thus Christianity is right.

Or we can realize that correlation does not equal causation, but that'd require thinking, and that's hard.

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Postby Moon Cows » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:53 am

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Moon Cows wrote:I don't even know what to say. How can you really believe that it is okay to end something's life?


Why are you so pro-cancer and pro-infectious disease?


Why are you so pro-murdering unborn babies?
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:53 am

Moon Cows wrote:
Divair wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child

"Biologically, a child (plural: children) is generally a human between the stages of birth and puberty."

Don't lie.

I don't even know what to say. How can you really believe that it is okay to end something's life? And that's what abortion is.
.

Mavorpen wrote:BREATHING IS PRO DEATH!

DESTROYING TAPEWORMS IS PRODEATH!

REFUSING SOMEONE FROM TAKING PART OF YOUR LUNG IS PRO DEATH!

Qualifiers. Use them.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:53 am

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Moon Cows wrote:I don't even know what to say. How can you really believe that it is okay to end something's life?


Why are you so pro-cancer and pro-infectious disease?


Stop using Dettol on E.coli, you murderer!
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Postby Divair » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:53 am

Moon Cows wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Why are you so pro-cancer and pro-infectious disease?


Why are you so pro-murdering unborn babies?

Unborn baby is an oxymoron.

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