should abortion be legal?

[Zweite Alaje]

Pregnancy is about the only time in which bodily sovereignity is forfeited.

Nonsense, how could abortion be legal if that were so?

Parenthood isn't slavery, it is responsibility.

Forcing a woman to remain pregnant against her will may as well be slavery, and that's exactly what banning abortion is.

Abortion was enacted by the liberals, that's how.

Pregnancy is temporary, death is permanent.

[Mavorpen]

Nonsense, how could abortion be legal if that were so?

Forcing a woman to remain pregnant against her will may as well be slavery, and that's exactly what banning abortion is.

Abortion was enacted by the liberals, that's how.

Pregnancy is temporary, death is permanent.

Source they were all liberal?

[Freiheit Reich]

Prostitution should be legal (think of the tax revenue) but they are still losers in my opinion.

You'll find, I think, that most of us don't take the opinion of an anti-American, freedom-hating racist who displays zero knowledge of what he's talking about very seriously.

Ｉ　ａｍ　ｎｏｔ　ｒａｃｉｓｔ.　Ｍｙ　ｓｔｅｒｅｏｔｙｐｅ　ｏｆ　ａ　ｐｒｏｓｔｉｔｕｔｅ　ｉｓ　ａ　ｕｇｌｙ　ａｎｄ　ｖｅｒｙ　ｔｈｉｎ　ｗｈｉｔｅ　ｗｏｍａｎ　ｗｉｔｈ　ｄｉｒｔｙ　ｂｌｏｎｄｅ　ｈａｉｒ　ｔｈａｔ　ｌｏｖｅｓ　ｈｅｒｏｉｎ.　Ｔｈｅ　ａｒｒｅｓｔ　ｒｅｐｏｒｔｓ　ａｒｅ　ｕｓｕａｌｌｙ　ｗｈｉｔｅ　ｏｒ　ｂｌａｃｋ　ｐｒｏｓｔｉｔｕｔｅｓ,　ｍｏｓｔ　ｏｆ　ｗｈｉｃｈ　ａｒｅ　ｓｃａｒｙ　ｌｏｏｋｉｎｇ.

Ｉ　ｓｕｐｐｏｒｔ　ｌｅｇａｌｉｚｅｄ　ｐｒｏｓｔｉｔｕｔｉｏｎ.　Ｔｈａｔ　ｍｅａｎｓ　Ｉ　ａｍ　ｆｒｅｅｄｏｍ　ｌｏｖｉｎｇ.　Ｗｈｏ　ｗｏｕｌｄ　ｃｈｏｏｓｅ　ｔｏ　ｈａｖｅ　ｉｎｔｉｍａｔｅ　ｒｅｌａｔｉｏｎｓ　(ａｎｄ　ｐａｙ　ｆｏｒ　ｔｈｅｍ!)　ｗｉｔｈ　ａ　ｌａｄｙ　ｔｈａｔ　ｏｆｔｅｎ　ｌｏｏｋｓ　ｍａｓｃｕｌｉｎｅ　ｉｓ　ｑｕｅｓｔｉｏｎａｂｌｅ　ｔｈｏｕｇｈ.　Ｐｒｏｓｔｉｔｕｔｅｓ　ａｒｅ　ｕｓｕａｌｌｙ　ｄｒｕｇ　ａｄｄｉｃｔｅｄ　ｌｏｓｅｒｓ.　Ｎｏｔ　ａ　ｒａｃｉｓｔ　ｏｒ　ｆｒｅｄｏｍ　ｈａｔｉｎｇ　ｓｔａｔｅｍｅｎｔ　ｔｈａｔ　Ｉjust said.

[Ifreann]

Nonsense, how could abortion be legal if that were so?

Forcing a woman to remain pregnant against her will may as well be slavery, and that's exactly what banning abortion is.

Abortion was enacted by the liberals, that's how.

So bodily sovereignty, as a legal concept, is not forfeited when one is pregnant. Regardless of who created that legal reality, that is the legal reality, no?

Pregnancy is temporary, death is permanent.

So you're saying women should allow themselves to be made slaves rather than defend themselves? What an unusual position...

[Agritum]

You'll find, I think, that most of us don't take the opinion of an anti-American, freedom-hating racist who displays zero knowledge of what he's talking about very seriously.

Ｉ　ａｍ　ｎｏｔ　ｒａｃｉｓｔ.　Ｍｙ　ｓｔｅｒｅｏｔｙｐｅ　ｏｆ　ａ　ｐｒｏｓｔｉｔｕｔｅ　ｉｓ　ａ　ｕｇｌｙ　ａｎｄ　ｖｅｒｙ　ｔｈｉｎ　ｗｈｉｔｅ　ｗｏｍａｎ　ｗｉｔｈ　ｄｉｒｔｙ　ｂｌｏｎｄｅ　ｈａｉｒ　ｔｈａｔ　ｌｏｖｅｓ　ｈｅｒｏｉｎ.　Ｔｈｅ　ａｒｒｅｓｔ　ｒｅｐｏｒｔｓ　ａｒｅ　ｕｓｕａｌｌｙ　ｗｈｉｔｅ　ｏｒ　ｂｌａｃｋ　ｐｒｏｓｔｉｔｕｔｅｓ,　ｍｏｓｔ　ｏｆ　ｗｈｉｃｈ　ａｒｅ　ｓｃａｒｙ　ｌｏｏｋｉｎｇ.

Ｉ　ｓｕｐｐｏｒｔ　ｌｅｇａｌｉｚｅｄ　ｐｒｏｓｔｉｔｕｔｉｏｎ.　Ｔｈａｔ　ｍｅａｎｓ　Ｉ　ａｍ　ｆｒｅｅｄｏｍ　ｌｏｖｉｎｇ.　Ｗｈｏ　ｗｏｕｌｄ　ｃｈｏｏｓｅ　ｔｏ　ｈａｖｅ　ｉｎｔｉｍａｔｅ　ｒｅｌａｔｉｏｎｓ　(ａｎｄ　ｐａｙ　ｆｏｒ　ｔｈｅｍ!)　ｗｉｔｈ　ａ　ｌａｄｙ　ｔｈａｔ　ｏｆｔｅｎ　ｌｏｏｋｓ　ｍａｓｃｕｌｉｎｅ　ｉｓ　ｑｕｅｓｔｉｏｎａｂｌｅ　ｔｈｏｕｇｈ.　Ｐｒｏｓｔｉｔｕｔｅｓ　ａｒｅ　ｕｓｕａｌｌｙ　ｄｒｕｇ　ａｄｄｉｃｔｅｄ　ｌｏｓｅｒｓ.　Ｎｏｔ　ａ　ｒａｃｉｓｔ　ｏｒ　ｆｒｅｄｏｍ　ｈａｔｉｎｇ　ｓｔａｔｅｍｅｎｔ　ｔｈａｔ　Ｉjust said.

You do know that you just admitted of going by stereotypes, right?

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

You'll find, I think, that most of us don't take the opinion of an anti-American, freedom-hating racist who displays zero knowledge of what he's talking about very seriously.

Ｉ　ａｍ　ｎｏｔ　ｒａｃｉｓｔ.　Ｍｙ　ｓｔｅｒｅｏｔｙｐｅ　ｏｆ　ａ　ｐｒｏｓｔｉｔｕｔｅ　ｉｓ　ａ　ｕｇｌｙ　ａｎｄ　ｖｅｒｙ　ｔｈｉｎ　ｗｈｉｔｅ　ｗｏｍａｎ　ｗｉｔｈ　ｄｉｒｔｙ　ｂｌｏｎｄｅ　ｈａｉｒ　ｔｈａｔ　ｌｏｖｅｓ　ｈｅｒｏｉｎ.　Ｔｈｅ　ａｒｒｅｓｔ　ｒｅｐｏｒｔｓ　ａｒｅ　ｕｓｕａｌｌｙ　ｗｈｉｔｅ　ｏｒ　ｂｌａｃｋ　ｐｒｏｓｔｉｔｕｔｅｓ,　ｍｏｓｔ　ｏｆ　ｗｈｉｃｈ　ａｒｅ　ｓｃａｒｙ　ｌｏｏｋｉｎｇ.

You're a racist for reasons that have nothing to do with your willfully-ignorant misconception of prostitutes.

Ｉ　ｓｕｐｐｏｒｔ　ｌｅｇａｌｉｚｅｄ　ｐｒｏｓｔｉｔｕｔｉｏｎ.　Ｔｈａｔ　ｍｅａｎｓ　Ｉ　ａｍ　ｆｒｅｅｄｏｍ　ｌｏｖｉｎｇ.　Ｗｈｏ　ｗｏｕｌｄ　ｃｈｏｏｓｅ　ｔｏ　ｈａｖｅ　ｉｎｔｉｍａｔｅ　ｒｅｌａｔｉｏｎｓ　(ａｎｄ　ｐａｙ　ｆｏｒ　ｔｈｅｍ!)　ｗｉｔｈ　ａ　ｌａｄｙ　ｔｈａｔ　ｏｆｔｅｎ　ｌｏｏｋｓ　ｍａｓｃｕｌｉｎｅ　ｉｓ　ｑｕｅｓｔｉｏｎａｂｌｅ　ｔｈｏｕｇｈ.　Ｐｒｏｓｔｉｔｕｔｅｓ　ａｒｅ　ｕｓｕａｌｌｙ　ｄｒｕｇ　ａｄｄｉｃｔｅｄ　ｌｏｓｅｒｓ.　Ｎｏｔ　ａ　ｒａｃｉｓｔ　ｏｒ　ｆｒｅｄｏｍ　ｈａｔｉｎｇ　ｓｔａｔｅｍｅｎｔ　ｔｈａｔ　Ｉjust said.

You're a freedom-hater for reasons that have nothing to do with your stance on the legal status of prostitution.

[Zweite Alaje]

Says anyone with sense.

Is this the new tactic of the right wing? Champion your views as "the will of the people" but when society starts evolving and moving past your regressive viewpoints, leaving you in the minority, start crying about how "common sense isn't so common!"

It's kinda sad really

As a parent some of your independence is forfeited in order to accommodate the child.

Certainly.

an aborted fetus isn't a child. Someone who has an abortion isn't a parent to that aborted fetus. I agree parents of children have responsibilities.

That, however, is not relevant to discussions about abortion

That'd be assuming that only right wingers are anti-abortion, which is far from the truth. Also, if the defense of life is regressive to you, your camp's moral compass is shot.


Parenthood is inherently tied to the abortion topic.

[Zweite Alaje]

Abortion was enacted by the liberals, that's how.

So bodily sovereignty, as a legal concept, is not forfeited when one is pregnant. Regardless of who created that legal reality, that is the legal reality, no?

Pregnancy is temporary, death is permanent.

So you're saying women should allow themselves to be made slaves rather than defend themselves? What an unusual position...

Legality =/= Ethical Correctness

The parent's "slavery" is only 9 months, that is preferable to death which is permanent.

[Divair]

Of course.

[Neo Art]

[
That'd be assuming that only right wingers are anti-abortion,

They're the only ones who defend it so vehemently. The fact remains, a majority of americans want legalized abortion in at least some circumstances. Those that want abortion banned completely are in a minority, and overwhelming identify as republican.

That's not an assumption, that's the math.

Also, if the defense of life is regressive to you, your camp's moral compass is shot.

My moral compass, which compells me to care more about the thinking, feeling, breathing, aware being more than an entity which is not, and has never done any of those things is just fine, thanks.

You're the one who values an unborn fetus more than a woman.

Parenthood is inherently tied to the abortion topic.

Tied, yes, analogous, no.

[Zweite Alaje]

[
That'd be assuming that only right wingers are anti-abortion,

They're the only ones who defend it so vehemently. The fact remains, a majority of americans want legalized abortion in at least some circumstances. Those that want abortion banned completely are in a minority, and overwhelming identify as republican.

That's not an assumption, that's the math.

Also, if the defense of life is regressive to you, your camp's moral compass is shot.

My moral compass, which compells me to care more about the thinking, feeling, breathing, aware being more than an entity which is not, and has never done any of those things is just fine, thanks.

You're the one who values an unborn fetus more than a woman.

Parenthood is inherently tied to the abortion topic.

Tied, yes, analogous, no.

I'm American, I support total anti-abortion, and I'm not republican. Right, center, and left winger can be anti-abortion.

I care about the entity which is beginning its life not being stamped out, by its amoral parents.

[Nailed to the Perch]

Well, in the last few pages, we've had "we have to force women to bear children in order to TEACH THEM A LESSON," "we have to force women to bear children because WHERE THE WHITE BABIES AT," "we have to force women to bear children because EVERYONE HAS TO FOLLOW MY PERSONAL RELIGION," "we have to force women to bear children because HAVING SEX WITH A WOMAN MEANS YOU OWN HER," "we have to force women to bear children because ABORTION IS GROSS," and, for no discernible reason but to my everlasting delight, "we have to force women to bear children because LAMARCKIAN HOOKERS."

Oh, NSG. You are simultaneously so predictable and so fucking bizarre.

[Nailed to the Perch]

Incidentally, I'm totally naming my rock band Lamarckian Hookers.

[Battenburgia]

Well, in the last few pages, we've had "we have to force women to bear children in order to TEACH THEM A LESSON," "we have to force women to bear children because WHERE THE WHITE BABIES AT," "we have to force women to bear children because EVERYONE HAS TO FOLLOW MY PERSONAL RELIGION," "we have to force women to bear children because HAVING SEX WITH A WOMAN MEANS YOU OWN HER," "we have to force women to bear children because ABORTION IS GROSS," and, for no discernible reason but to my everlasting delight, "we have to force women to bear children because LAMARCKIAN HOOKERS."

Oh, NSG. You are simultaneously so predictable and so fucking bizarre.

can you add that forcing a woman to carry a foetus full term might be OK as long as anyone involved in denying her rights over her own body, will have their arsehole plugged with cement for the duration of the pregnancy as a forced gesture of solidarity with the woman's discomfort.

[Neo Art]

Well, in the last few pages, we've had "we have to force women to bear children in order to TEACH THEM A LESSON," "we have to force women to bear children because WHERE THE WHITE BABIES AT," "we have to force women to bear children because EVERYONE HAS TO FOLLOW MY PERSONAL RELIGION," "we have to force women to bear children because HAVING SEX WITH A WOMAN MEANS YOU OWN HER," "we have to force women to bear children because ABORTION IS GROSS," and, for no discernible reason but to my everlasting delight, "we have to force women to bear children because LAMARCKIAN HOOKERS."

Oh, NSG. You are simultaneously so predictable and so fucking bizarre.

Hey, 9 months of slavery isn't SO bad. Some people LIKE slavery...

also: heh, Lamarckian hookers

[Kitengenia]

Yes, it should be legal, every time.

[Dyakovo]

As libertarian, I believe anarchy can only work if we respect three simple values: life, liberty and property.

From my point of view, abortion is as ethically bad as murder or death penalty. To ban abortion is against liberty the same way as to ban murder. If we get relativist, it's time to seriously think why murder is such a bad thing, right?

I'm not telling women to get pregnant against their will, I just say there are a lot of ways to not to get pregnant - contraceptives, day-after pill... thus making abortion avoidable and unnecessary.

why does libertarian mean liberty for men only?

Because the formula for creating lolbertarians is: Religious Right minus NeoCon.

[Ceannairceach]

Yes, it should be legal, at any time, to remove the entity from your body.
It should not be legal to purposefully kill the entity in the process.
If it dies, it dies.

What Ostro said.

[Ifreann]

So bodily sovereignty, as a legal concept, is not forfeited when one is pregnant. Regardless of who created that legal reality, that is the legal reality, no?


So you're saying women should allow themselves to be made slaves rather than defend themselves? What an unusual position...

Legality =/= Ethical Correctness

Feel free to explain your ethics, then. Though, since they seem to involve removing women's rights I doubt I'll be impressed.

The parent's "slavery" is only 9 months, that is preferable to death which is permanent.

You think? If someone wanted to make me a slave for nine months I'd much prefer to kill them than go along with it.

[Dyakovo]

Morals are learned not inherited. Learn how genetics work, then come back.

I think what was meant was the way they would raise their children to be like that, which is bad

You give him too much credit.

[Ashmoria]

Incidentally, I'm totally naming my rock band Lamarckian Hookers.

fine but i already took "lamarckianhookers.com"

[Frisbeeteria]

A summary paraphrasing most NSgers common argument in favor of abortion: "If you find the slightest moral objection toward the procedure illustrated above, clearly you hate women, you don't think women you should have any rights, and you think all women should be your slave."

If abortion was illegal, abortion would still occur, desperate women would be paying migrant workers slave wages for amature coat hanger abortions. So, its not completely negative for the procedure to be regulated, so that the procedure is performed in a hygienic atmosphere by a medically qualified individual. But I don't understand how people can pretend its completely cool to chop up an unwanted baby 23 weeks into the pregnancy, because mama didn't practice some sort of birth control. If a baby is born prematurely 23 weeks into a pregnancy it can survive outside the womb. 9 weeks into a pregnancy a fetus has a heartbeat & all major body organs are present. When you force a living thing to cease having a heartbeat and cease existing, you're killing it. If you pretend abortion isn't the act of forcing a life to cease, then I think you're just fooling yourself for whatever reason, maybe its because you just want a ride on what you perceive as the hip & trendy progressive train so badly...

"You must hate women! Why don't you just go to church and deny climate change with your white supremacist gay hating club?!?
Comprehending the moral objection of abortion does not mean someone completely identifies with your stereotype of conservative ideology.

[Mavorpen]

If abortion was illegal, abortion would still occur, desperate women would be paying migrant workers slave wages for amature coat hanger abortions. So, its not completely negative for the procedure to be regulated, so that the procedure is performed in a hygienic atmosphere by a medically qualified individual. But I don't understand how people can pretend its completely cool to chop up an unwanted baby 23 weeks into the pregnancy, because mama didn't practice some sort of birth control. If a baby is born prematurely 23 weeks into a pregnancy it can survive outside the womb. 9 weeks into a pregnancy a fetus has a heartbeat & all major body organs are present. When you force a living thing to cease having a heartbeat and cease existing, you're killing it. If you pretend abortion isn't the act of forcing a life to cease, then I think you're just fooling yourself for whatever reason, maybe its because you just want a ride on what you perceive as the hip & trendy progressive train so badly...

"You must hate women! Why don't you just go to church and deny climate change with your white supremacist gay hating club?!?
Comprehending the moral objection of abortion does not mean someone completely identifies with your stereotype of conservative ideology.

So abortion should be legal.

[Sophian]

If abortion was illegal, abortion would still occur, desperate women would be paying migrant workers slave wages for amature coat hanger abortions. So, its not completely negative for the procedure to be regulated, so that the procedure is performed in a hygienic atmosphere by a medically qualified individual. But I don't understand how people can pretend its completely cool to chop up an unwanted baby 23 weeks into the pregnancy, because mama didn't practice some sort of birth control. If a baby is born prematurely 23 weeks into a pregnancy it can survive outside the womb. 9 weeks into a pregnancy a fetus has a heartbeat & all major body organs are present. When you force a living thing to cease having a heartbeat and cease existing, you're killing it. If you pretend abortion isn't the act of forcing a life to cease, then I think you're just fooling yourself for whatever reason, maybe its because you just want a ride on what you perceive as the hip & trendy progressive train so badly...

"You must hate women! Why don't you just go to church and deny climate change with your white supremacist gay hating club?!?
Comprehending the moral objection of abortion does not mean someone completely identifies with your stereotype of conservative ideology.

So abortion should be legal.

I do not think that 2nd trimester abortion should be legal unless the woman's life is in jeopardy.

[Mavorpen]

So abortion should be legal.

I do not think that 2nd trimester abortion should be legal unless the woman's life is in jeopardy.

It should be.