should abortion be legal?

[Zweite Alaje]

I don't like abortions but I'm sensible enough to realise that if they were banned we'd be back to back-street abortions. Anyway, this is only an issue in the US.

So pro-life in principle, pro-choice in practice-that's me.

Err...you say "pro-life" and "pro-choice" as though they're a binary opposition.

The pro-choice position is the position that's truly "pro-life" in any meaningful sense.

It's the anti-choice position that is truly anti-life.

Bullshit, pro-choice is pro-death. Anti-abortion is the true pro-life.

[Ifreann]

Err...you say "pro-life" and "pro-choice" as though they're a binary opposition.

The pro-choice position is the position that's truly "pro-life" in any meaningful sense.

It's the anti-choice position that is truly anti-life.

Bullshit, pro-choice is pro-death. Anti-abortion is the true pro-life.

I'm with Bluth on this one. If you support life then you should support the rights associated with life, including the right to control your own body.

[Zweite Alaje]

Bullshit, pro-choice is pro-death. Anti-abortion is the true pro-life.

I'm with Bluth on this one. If you support life then you should support the rights associated with life, including the right to control your own body.

There are times that the right to life overrides bodily sovereignity, as well as being held responsible for the entity you created.

[Mavorpen]

Err...you say "pro-life" and "pro-choice" as though they're a binary opposition.

The pro-choice position is the position that's truly "pro-life" in any meaningful sense.

It's the anti-choice position that is truly anti-life.

Bullshit, pro-choice is pro-death. Anti-abortion is the true pro-life.

BREATHING IS PRO DEATH!

DESTROYING TAPEWORMS IS PRODEATH!

REFUSING SOMEONE FROM TAKING PART OF YOUR LUNG IS PRO DEATH!

Qualifiers. Use them.

[Mavorpen]

I'm with Bluth on this one. If you support life then you should support the rights associated with life, including the right to control your own body.

There are times that the right to life overrides bodily sovereignity, as well as being held responsible for the entity you created.

For the first, never. For the second, after you give birth.

[Zweite Alaje]

Bullshit, pro-choice is pro-death. Anti-abortion is the true pro-life.

BREATHING IS PRO DEATH!

DESTROYING TAPEWORMS IS PRODEATH!

REFUSING SOMEONE FROM TAKING PART OF YOUR LUNG IS PRO DEATH!

Qualifiers. Use them.

1.) Killing tapeworms , yay. Who cares.
2.) No, you didn't have anything to do with them needing a lung. The parents are the creators of the fetus, they are directly responsible for the preservation of its life.

There are times that the right to life overrides bodily sovereignity, as well as being held responsible for the entity you created.

For the first, never. For the second, after you give birth.

The parents created the fetus, their sovereignity is forfeited. Their are responsible for it from conception.

[Ifreann]

I'm with Bluth on this one. If you support life then you should support the rights associated with life, including the right to control your own body.

There are times that the right to life overrides bodily sovereignity,

Being pregnant is not one of them.

as well as being held responsible for the entity you created.

Doesn't include effective slavery.

[Neo Art]

The parents created the fetus, their sovereignity is forfeited

says....whom, precisely? You? Why should anyone care about your beliefs as to when rights become "foreited"?

[Mavorpen]

1.) Killing tapeworms , yay. Who cares.
2.) No, you didn't have anything to do with them needing a lung. The parents are the creators of the fetus, they are directly responsible for the preservation of its life.

1. I care. Learn what a qualifier is please.
2. No they aren't.

For the first, never. For the second, after you give birth.

The parents created the fetus, their sovereignity is forfeited. Their are responsible for it from conception.

No it isn't and no they aren't.

[Freiheit Reich]

At IVY　Ｔｅｃｈ　Ｃｏｍｍｕｎｉｔｙ　Ｃｏｌｌｅｇｅ　ｉｎ　ｓｏｕｔｈｅｒｎ　Ｉｎｄｉａｎａ.　Ｉｔ　ｉｓ　ａ　ｍｏｒｅ　ｃｏｎｓｅｒｖａｔｉｖｅ　ｃｏｌｌｅｇｅ　ｔｈａｎ UCLA I am guessing. He was an older part-time teacher and actually not too difficult. Nice teacher I remember but likely more religious than average.

Men volunteer for steralization all the time. It can be reversed most of the time. Women can get their's reversed but it is very expensive to do. I know a family member that sucessfully reversed hers and had a baby.

Eugenics could strengthen the human race. Do you want retards or child molesters to have children and pass their genes down?Ｓａｍｅ　ｆｏｒ　ｐｒｏｓｔｉｔｕｔｅｓ.　Ｔｈｅｙ　ｃａｒｒｙ　ｂａｄ　ｇｅｎｅｓ　ａｎｄ　ｔｈｅｉｒ　ｃｈｉｌｄｒｅｎ　ａｒｅ　ｈｉｇｈｌｙ　ｌｉｋｅｌｙ(ｎｏｔ　１００％ｂｕｔ　ｓｔｉｌｌ　ｈｉｇｈ)　ｔｏ　ｂｅ　ｆａｉｌｕｒｅｓ　ａｓ　ｗｅｌｌ.　

Excuse me, but why should the genes of prostitutes be "bad"?

Prostitutes are lazier and have lower moral standards versus an average woman. Their children are likely to carry those traits with them.

Prostitution should be legal (think of the tax revenue) but they are still losers in my opinion. A female janitor has a job with more self-respect than a prostitute even if the pay is lower.

[Zweite Alaje]

There are times that the right to life overrides bodily sovereignity,

Being pregnant is not one of them.

as well as being held responsible for the entity you created.

Doesn't include effective slavery.

Pregnancy is about the only time in which bodily sovereignity is forfeited. Parenthood isn't slavery, it is responsibility.

The parents created the fetus, their sovereignity is forfeited

says....whom, precisely? You? Why should anyone care about your beliefs as to when rights become "foreited"?

Says anyone with sense. As a parent some of your independence is forfeited in order to accommodate the child.

[Ifreann]

Excuse me, but why should the genes of prostitutes be "bad"?

Prostitutes are lazier and have lower moral standards versus an average woman.

Prove it.

Their children are likely to carry those traits with them.

Prove that too.

[Mavorpen]

Being pregnant is not one of them.

Doesn't include effective slavery.

Pregnancy is about the only time in which bodily sovereignity is forfeited. Parenthood isn't slavery, it is responsibility.

says....whom, precisely? You? Why should anyone care about your beliefs as to when rights become "foreited"?

Says anyone with sense. As a parent some of your independence is forfeited in order to accommodate the child.

A fetus isn't a child.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Excuse me, but why should the genes of prostitutes be "bad"?

Prostitutes are lazier and have lower moral standards versus an average woman. Their children are likely to carry those traits with them.

Holy shit, it's like the second coming of Lamarck or something...

[Ifreann]

Being pregnant is not one of them.

Doesn't include effective slavery.

Pregnancy is about the only time in which bodily sovereignity is forfeited.

Nonsense, how could abortion be legal if that were so?

Parenthood isn't slavery, it is responsibility.

Forcing a woman to remain pregnant against her will may as well be slavery, and that's exactly what banning abortion is.

[Zweite Alaje]

Excuse me, but why should the genes of prostitutes be "bad"?

Prostitutes are lazier and have lower moral standards versus an average woman. Their children are likely to carry those traits with them.

Prostitution should be legal (think of the tax revenue) but they are still losers in my opinion. A female janitor has a job with more self-respect than a prostitute even if the pay is lower.

Morals are learned not inherited. Learn how genetics work, then come back.

[Ifreann]

Prostitutes are lazier and have lower moral standards versus an average woman. Their children are likely to carry those traits with them.

Holy shit, it's like the second coming of Lamarck or something...

I can't imagine Lamarck would appreciate the comparison.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Prostitution should be legal (think of the tax revenue) but they are still losers in my opinion.

You'll find, I think, that most of us don't take the opinion of an anti-American, freedom-hating racist who displays zero knowledge of what he's talking about very seriously.

[Neo Art]

Says anyone with sense.

Is this the new tactic of the right wing? Champion your views as "the will of the people" but when society starts evolving and moving past your regressive viewpoints, leaving you in the minority, start crying about how "common sense isn't so common!"

It's kinda sad really

As a parent some of your independence is forfeited in order to accommodate the child.

Certainly.

an aborted fetus isn't a child. Someone who has an abortion isn't a parent to that aborted fetus. I agree parents of children have responsibilities.

That, however, is not relevant to discussions about abortion

[Phorusrhachia]

Prostitutes are lazier and have lower moral standards versus an average woman. Their children are likely to carry those traits with them.

Prostitution should be legal (think of the tax revenue) but they are still losers in my opinion. A female janitor has a job with more self-respect than a prostitute even if the pay is lower.

Morals are learned not inherited. Learn how genetics work, then come back.

I think what was meant was the way they would raise their children to be like that, which is bad

[Neo Art]

Prostitutes are lazier and have lower moral standards versus an average woman. Their children are likely to carry those traits with them.

Holy shit, it's like the second coming of Lamarck or something...

It's basically a very small step from cutting up a "whore" and wearing her face as a mask.

[Tsuntion]

Prostitutes are lazier and have lower moral standards versus an average woman. Their children are likely to carry those traits with them.

Just to clarify, is this an argument for Lamarckian evolution or are you saying that if prostitues raise their own children they will pass on their lack of values?

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Morals are learned not inherited. Learn how genetics work, then come back.

I think what was meant was the way they would raise their children to be like that, which is bad

That's a fair and reasonable interpretation, yes, except Freiheit Reich's prior post explicitly linked those traits to genes.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Morals are learned not inherited. Learn how genetics work, then come back.

I think what was meant was the way they would raise their children to be like that, which is bad

Someone knows fuck all about sex trade workers.

[Opaloka]

Should it be legal, yes! Also free at the point of demand, safe & with no harrassment of the woman by religious bigots or whatever. If you do not have the right to control your own body what right do you have?