should abortion be legal?

[Afalia]

I don't like abortions but I'm sensible enough to realise that if they were banned we'd be back to back-street abortions. Anyway, this is only an issue in the US.

So pro-life in principle, pro-choice in practice-that's me.

[Ifreann]

I will post my opinion, So that this is will be known as my official stance on abortion. Thus if anybody was to ask me about this topic, I can simply defer them here. I do not wish to stir any antagonism, debate or argument. I am no an expert, and I don't have any experience with abortion clinics myself, yet. Now, with that said:

I am pro-life, not in the sense that you would assume. I'm not religious, in fact I'm against the christian, Jewish, & islamic religions(I will not go deeper into the topic, as that is for another thread altogether). I view life as an unalienable right. Life IS technically an unalienable right inthe United States of America, guaranteed by the US constitution(or the delcaration of independence, I can't remember which). Now Technically, the right to life is an unalienable right at birth. Thus there's a fallacy in my own logic, an I acknowledge that.

Now, it is my wish to see the practice of abortion banned. I support this argument with the fact that it was illegal whenthe United States was born, and was only made legal recently. There is also the fact that the people whom pushed for this bill to be passed was a special lobby group, whom used a woman as their speaker that now condemns the industry entirely. The two former fats culd point to a corrupt law, which really only serves the self-interests of a select few individuals for money,thus essentially only being made for profit(profit off 300,000 "abortions" yearly). Secondly, It is my belief that this is depriving young parents of valuable learning experiences, whichis the lesson of pain in life and consequences of reckless actions, which would b having to take care of the child, or fin a offspring of yours taken away by strangers, which is actually a mercy compared to having the child killed at birth, watching it being ton limb from limb in a grinder. Thid, look at the people whom have the abortions done, specifically the youner ones. They get it done because of the environment they are in, to sum it up in a generic sense. It's partly due to peer pressure and media, promoting sex as a thing you must do early. It's due to bad parenting, because the parents should prepare their children for this world. FInally, I just see it as a convenient way for somebody whom is too selfish to get out of a hole they dug because they didn't want to practice safe sex. By that I mean, the phrase of a "customer" to an abortion clinic saying "Hey, I'm pregnant with a child sue to my own stupidity. Here, takes thousands of my dollars to literally tear peice of my body out of me and cause me harm."

ohmygoodness

if you are going to use this as your go-to post on abortion rights you need to clean up your grammar, spelling, understanding of abortion procedures, history of abortion laws, and undestanding of why women get abortions.

otherwise it will end up being an utter embarrassment so strong that you have to leave NSG due to the shame of remembering what you wrote here.

And get those colours out of there.

[Mavorpen]

As libertarian, I believe anarchy can only work if we respect three simple values: life, liberty and property.

From my point of view, abortion is as ethically bad as murder or death penalty. To ban abortion is against liberty the same way as to ban murder. If we get relativist, it's time to seriously think why murder is such a bad thing, right?

I'm not telling women to get pregnant against their will, I just say there are a lot of ways to not to get pregnant - contraceptives, day-after pill... thus making abortion avoidable and unnecessary.

why does libertarian mean liberty for men only?

Because they masturbate to the founding fathers, who only extended full freedom to white, landowning men.

[Ashkland]

I'll tell you what, it should be illegal, but not because of the religious reason (I'm an atheist), but because of the negative growth of us, the european peoples, then we need to have more decendants in order, to EXIST, and not disappear from the face of the earth.

[Big Jim P]

Yes. Sometime retroactively up to the 9th decade or more.

[The Steel Magnolia]

I'll tell you what, it should be illegal, but not because of the religious reason (I'm an atheist), but because of the negative growth of us, the european peoples, then we need to have more decendants in order, to EXIST, and not disappear from the face of the earth.

I'm impressed! Misogyny and racism. Good job.

[Tlaceceyaya]

I'll tell you what, it should be illegal, but not because of the religious reason (I'm an atheist), but because of the negative growth of us, the european peoples, then we need to have more decendants in order, to EXIST, and not disappear from the face of the earth.

So you want abortion to be illegal because you... are a racial supremacist, or something?

[Mavorpen]

I'll tell you what, it should be illegal, but not because of the religious reason (I'm an atheist), but because of the negative growth of us, the european peoples, then we need to have more decendants in order, to EXIST, and not disappear from the face of the earth.

That's a perfect reason to allow abortion to be legal.

[Ifreann]

I'll tell you what, it should be illegal, but not because of the religious reason (I'm an atheist), but because of the negative growth of us, the european peoples, then we need to have more decendants in order, to EXIST, and not disappear from the face of the earth.

As one of those European people, I'd rather abortions, if it's all the same to you.

[Ashmoria]

I'll tell you what, it should be illegal, but not because of the religious reason (I'm an atheist), but because of the negative growth of us, the european peoples, then we need to have more decendants in order, to EXIST, and not disappear from the face of the earth.

so women should be reproductive slaves to the nation?

[Agritum]

I'll tell you what, it should be illegal, but not because of the religious reason (I'm an atheist), but because of the negative growth of us, the european peoples, then we need to have more decendants in order, to EXIST, and not disappear from the face of the earth.

It's me or I see a little "OMG THE MUSLEEMS BREED FAST" subtext in this?

[Ifreann]

I'll tell you what, it should be illegal, but not because of the religious reason (I'm an atheist), but because of the negative growth of us, the european peoples, then we need to have more decendants in order, to EXIST, and not disappear from the face of the earth.

It's me or I see a little "OMG THE MUSLEEMS BREED FAST" subtext in this?

A little?

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

As libertarian,

Obviously you're not, given your apparent love of capitalism and cancer.

I believe anarchy can only work if we respect...property

Why do you hate individual liberty, economic freedom, and human life so much?

From my point of view, abortion is as ethically bad as murder or death penalty.

Why do you hate individual liberty, economic freedom, and human life so much?

[Everbeek]

"Should" abortion be legal?
It is.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

"Should" abortion be legal?
It is.

How the hell is "it currently is legal" a valid answer to the question of "should it be legal?"

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

I don't like abortions but I'm sensible enough to realise that if they were banned we'd be back to back-street abortions. Anyway, this is only an issue in the US.

So pro-life in principle, pro-choice in practice-that's me.

Err...you say "pro-life" and "pro-choice" as though they're a binary opposition.

The pro-choice position is the position that's truly "pro-life" in any meaningful sense.

It's the anti-choice position that is truly anti-life.

[The Grim Reaper]

I don't like abortions but I'm sensible enough to realise that if they were banned we'd be back to back-street abortions. Anyway, this is only an issue in the US.

So pro-life in principle, pro-choice in practice-that's me.

Err...you say "pro-life" and "pro-choice" as though they're a binary opposition.

The pro-choice position is the position that's truly "pro-life" in any meaningful sense.

It's the anti-choice position that is truly anti-life.

No, pro-life is pro choice.

Obviously.

Well, in any meaningful sense, anyway.

[Freiheit Reich]

OK, it is killing. I will say it is also murder because it is pre-planned by the woman. Killing something on purpose even with just one cell is murder.

When you take a shit, you deliberately and knowingly kill millions of single-celled organisms. Bacteria. Some of them survive, but the vast majority perish quite simply because they are removed from the warm and predictable environment of your bowel.

They die of cold and malnutrition. Because you expelled them from your body.

The college biology teacher said this is why he views abortion as wrong. We all start as a single cell.

Which biology teacher? Surely you haven't been to college yet.

Abortion is sad, I wish we made it easier for people to get steralized. Encouraging this with propoganda campaigns would be a good step in the right direction. Uneducated and poor people should be encouraged to get steralized.

Uneducated people can get educated later, poor people can become wealthy (or at least self-sufficient) later.

Encouraging people to get sterilized, specifically because they are poor or uneducated, is Bad Eugenics. That's the kind of shit which gives Eugenics a bad name ... as if Hitler and the Nazis didn't do that well enough.

I'm for Eugenics. It's going to happen anyway, and it's going to give an unfair advantage to the offspring of the rich and it's going to reinforce existing social privileges of certain genetic types. I'm for Eugenics by the choice of parents, publicly subsidized, to even out that playing field. I don't pretend it can be perfectly even, but I do say that if some have it by paying for it, then all should have it at least to a minimum standard (as with health care).

That's what I call Good Eugenics. Lesser of two evils perhaps, but relatively good. What you're talking is Bad Eugenics. Nazi shit.

At IVY　Ｔｅｃｈ　Ｃｏｍｍｕｎｉｔｙ　Ｃｏｌｌｅｇｅ　ｉｎ　ｓｏｕｔｈｅｒｎ　Ｉｎｄｉａｎａ.　Ｉｔ　ｉｓ　ａ　ｍｏｒｅ　ｃｏｎｓｅｒｖａｔｉｖｅ　ｃｏｌｌｅｇｅ　ｔｈａｎ UCLA I am guessing. He was an older part-time teacher and actually not too difficult. Nice teacher I remember but likely more religious than average.

Men volunteer for steralization all the time. It can be reversed most of the time. Women can get their's reversed but it is very expensive to do. I know a family member that sucessfully reversed hers and had a baby.

Eugenics could strengthen the human race. Do you want retards or child molesters to have children and pass their genes down?Ｓａｍｅ　ｆｏｒ　ｐｒｏｓｔｉｔｕｔｅｓ.　Ｔｈｅｙ　ｃａｒｒｙ　ｂａｄ　ｇｅｎｅｓ　ａｎｄ　ｔｈｅｉｒ　ｃｈｉｌｄｒｅｎ　ａｒｅ　ｈｉｇｈｌｙ　ｌｉｋｅｌｙ(ｎｏｔ　１００％ｂｕｔ　ｓｔｉｌｌ　ｈｉｇｈ)　ｔｏ　ｂｅ　ｆａｉｌｕｒｅｓ　ａｓ　ｗｅｌｌ.　

[The Grim Reaper]

At IVY　Ｔｅｃｈ　Ｃｏｍｍｕｎｉｔｙ　Ｃｏｌｌｅｇｅ　

ｉｎ　ｓｏｕｔｈｅｒｎ　Ｉｎｄｉａｎａ.　Ｉｔ　ｉｓ　ａ　ｍｏｒｅ　ｃｏｎｓｅｒｖａｔｉｖｅ　ｃｏｌｌｅｇｅ　ｔｈａｎ UCLA I am guessing. He was an older part-time teacher and actually not too difficult. Nice teacher I remember but likely more religious than average.

Men volunteer for steralization all the time. It can be reversed most of the time. Women can get their's reversed but it is very expensive to do. I know a family member that sucessfully reversed hers and had a baby.

Eugenics could strengthen the human race. Do you want retards or child molesters to have children and pass their genes down?Ｓａｍｅ　ｆｏｒ　ｐｒｏｓｔｉｔｕｔｅｓ.　Ｔｈｅｙ　ｃａｒｒｙ　ｂａｄ　ｇｅｎｅｓ　ａｎｄ　ｔｈｅｉｒ　ｃｈｉｌｄｒｅｎ　ａｒｅ　ｈｉｇｈｌｙ　ｌｉｋｅｌｙ(ｎｏｔ　１００％ｂｕｔ　ｓｔｉｌｌ　ｈｉｇｈ)　ｔｏ　ｂｅ　ｆａｉｌｕｒｅｓ　ａｓ　ｗｅｌｌ.　

Is my computer the only one rendering this (and a significant part of the spoiler text) in a different font??

[The Steel Magnolia]

At IVY　Ｔｅｃｈ　Ｃｏｍｍｕｎｉｔｙ　Ｃｏｌｌｅｇｅ　

ｉｎ　ｓｏｕｔｈｅｒｎ　Ｉｎｄｉａｎａ.　Ｉｔ　ｉｓ　ａ　ｍｏｒｅ　ｃｏｎｓｅｒｖａｔｉｖｅ　ｃｏｌｌｅｇｅ　ｔｈａｎ UCLA I am guessing. He was an older part-time teacher and actually not too difficult. Nice teacher I remember but likely more religious than average.

Men volunteer for steralization all the time. It can be reversed most of the time. Women can get their's reversed but it is very expensive to do. I know a family member that sucessfully reversed hers and had a baby.

Eugenics could strengthen the human race. Do you want retards or child molesters to have children and pass their genes down?Ｓａｍｅ　ｆｏｒ　ｐｒｏｓｔｉｔｕｔｅｓ.　Ｔｈｅｙ　ｃａｒｒｙ　ｂａｄ　ｇｅｎｅｓ　ａｎｄ　ｔｈｅｉｒ　ｃｈｉｌｄｒｅｎ　ａｒｅ　ｈｉｇｈｌｙ　ｌｉｋｅｌｙ(ｎｏｔ　１００％ｂｕｔ　ｓｔｉｌｌ　ｈｉｇｈ)　ｔｏ　ｂｅ　ｆａｉｌｕｒｅｓ　ａｓ　ｗｅｌｌ.　

Is my computer the only one rendering this (and a significant part of the spoiler text) in a different font??

Nah not just you.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Ahh, yes.

Ivy Tech.

Where people who just want a cheap and fast credential for a job, and aren't interested in actual intellectual rigor, go.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

As a person, I am against abortion, for it endagers the life of the baby
but if I am in office, I will let the women decide, or at least make it legal in cases of rape, incest or if mother's life is in danger.

[Phorusrhachia]

think of womens rights, why should we have to do as the church declares us, especially if we aren't religious
and what of horrible circumstances that so sadly often become of us, rape and other forms of sexual assault, why should we have to bear the children of such people?

[Agritum]

When you take a shit, you deliberately and knowingly kill millions of single-celled organisms. Bacteria. Some of them survive, but the vast majority perish quite simply because they are removed from the warm and predictable environment of your bowel.

They die of cold and malnutrition. Because you expelled them from your body.



Which biology teacher? Surely you haven't been to college yet.



Uneducated people can get educated later, poor people can become wealthy (or at least self-sufficient) later.

Encouraging people to get sterilized, specifically because they are poor or uneducated, is Bad Eugenics. That's the kind of shit which gives Eugenics a bad name ... as if Hitler and the Nazis didn't do that well enough.

I'm for Eugenics. It's going to happen anyway, and it's going to give an unfair advantage to the offspring of the rich and it's going to reinforce existing social privileges of certain genetic types. I'm for Eugenics by the choice of parents, publicly subsidized, to even out that playing field. I don't pretend it can be perfectly even, but I do say that if some have it by paying for it, then all should have it at least to a minimum standard (as with health care).

That's what I call Good Eugenics. Lesser of two evils perhaps, but relatively good. What you're talking is Bad Eugenics. Nazi shit.

At IVY　Ｔｅｃｈ　Ｃｏｍｍｕｎｉｔｙ　Ｃｏｌｌｅｇｅ　ｉｎ　ｓｏｕｔｈｅｒｎ　Ｉｎｄｉａｎａ.　Ｉｔ　ｉｓ　ａ　ｍｏｒｅ　ｃｏｎｓｅｒｖａｔｉｖｅ　ｃｏｌｌｅｇｅ　ｔｈａｎ UCLA I am guessing. He was an older part-time teacher and actually not too difficult. Nice teacher I remember but likely more religious than average.

Men volunteer for steralization all the time. It can be reversed most of the time. Women can get their's reversed but it is very expensive to do. I know a family member that sucessfully reversed hers and had a baby.

Eugenics could strengthen the human race. Do you want retards or child molesters to have children and pass their genes down?Ｓａｍｅ　ｆｏｒ　ｐｒｏｓｔｉｔｕｔｅｓ.　Ｔｈｅｙ　ｃａｒｒｙ　ｂａｄ　ｇｅｎｅｓ　ａｎｄ　ｔｈｅｉｒ　ｃｈｉｌｄｒｅｎ　ａｒｅ　ｈｉｇｈｌｙ　ｌｉｋｅｌｙ(ｎｏｔ　１００％ｂｕｔ　ｓｔｉｌｌ　ｈｉｇｈ)　ｔｏ　ｂｅ　ｆａｉｌｕｒｅｓ　ａｓ　ｗｅｌｌ.　

Excuse me, but why should the genes of prostitutes be "bad"?

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

At IVY　Ｔｅｃｈ　Ｃｏｍｍｕｎｉｔｙ　Ｃｏｌｌｅｇｅ　ｉｎ　ｓｏｕｔｈｅｒｎ　Ｉｎｄｉａｎａ.　Ｉｔ　ｉｓ　ａ　ｍｏｒｅ　ｃｏｎｓｅｒｖａｔｉｖｅ　ｃｏｌｌｅｇｅ　ｔｈａｎ UCLA I am guessing. He was an older part-time teacher and actually not too difficult. Nice teacher I remember but likely more religious than average.

Men volunteer for steralization all the time. It can be reversed most of the time. Women can get their's reversed but it is very expensive to do. I know a family member that sucessfully reversed hers and had a baby.

Eugenics could strengthen the human race. Do you want retards or child molesters to have children and pass their genes down?Ｓａｍｅ　ｆｏｒ　ｐｒｏｓｔｉｔｕｔｅｓ.　Ｔｈｅｙ　ｃａｒｒｙ　ｂａｄ　ｇｅｎｅｓ　ａｎｄ　ｔｈｅｉｒ　ｃｈｉｌｄｒｅｎ　ａｒｅ　ｈｉｇｈｌｙ　ｌｉｋｅｌｙ(ｎｏｔ　１００％ｂｕｔ　ｓｔｉｌｌ　ｈｉｇｈ)　ｔｏ　ｂｅ　ｆａｉｌｕｒｅｓ　ａｓ　ｗｅｌｌ.　

Excuse me, but why should the genes of prostitutes be "bad"?

Probably because their ancestors miscegenated with darkies and chinamen...