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What is(are) the cause(s) of Homosexuality and Bisexuality?

Genetics (meaning the make up of the person excluding outside factors)
193
32%
Hormone changes in the womb
65
11%
Temperature changes in the womb
3
1%
Sexual Abuse (You know it had to be on here)
16
3%
Disease (You know it had to be on here)
29
5%
Other (please specify)
91
15%
Combination (please specify)
130
22%
I'm looking for a cop out and this is it
70
12%
 
Total votes : 597

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Postby Abatael » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:01 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Do you have a source that they cannot consent? And obviously you aren't speaking about legally consent, because certain nations have age of consent legally.

AFAIK, no nation allows 9 year olds to consent. The lowest age of consent is 12 maybe. I'd have to check.


In Cameroon, and the Central African Republic, they don't have one.
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Postby The Peoples Republic of Mathusula » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:01 pm

So have you ever heard of free will....?

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:04 pm

The Peoples Republic of Mathusula wrote:So have you ever heard of free will....?

No. Please explain how the concept relates to human sexuality.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:05 pm

Abatael wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:AFAIK, no nation allows 9 year olds to consent. The lowest age of consent is 12 maybe. I'd have to check.


In Cameroon, and the Central African Republic, they don't have one.

Exactly.
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Postby Eirenia » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:08 pm

Abatael wrote:
Eirenia wrote:
A nine year old cannot consent under any circumstances. it is ALWAYS sexual assault to have sexual content with a nine-year-old. Do you really think a prepubescent child can consent? If you do, you're far more damaged than I am as a gay person.


Do you have a source that they cannot consent? And obviously you aren't speaking about legally consent, because certain nations have age of consent legally.


Oh lord, you really believe that nine year olds can consent.

There is no country in the world that explicitly permits nine year olds to consent.

If you think a child can consent to sex, you're sick. Sorry, pal. Show me any source saying a nine-year-old is capable of consenting to sex.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:09 pm

The Peoples Republic of Mathusula wrote:So have you ever heard of free will....?

Please, if you feel so strongly about sexuality being a matter of will, you should go have a gay orgy like right now.
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Postby Abatael » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:10 pm

Eirenia wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Do you have a source that they cannot consent? And obviously you aren't speaking about legally consent, because certain nations have age of consent legally.


Oh lord, you really believe that nine year olds can consent.

There is no country in the world that explicitly permits nine year olds to consent.

If you think a child can consent to sex, you're sick. Sorry, pal. Show me any source saying a nine-year-old is capable of consenting to sex.


Cameroon and the Central African Republic have no age of consent legally.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:13 pm

Neu Acadie wrote:
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Wow, you are old.

How is it to be a real life super villain? (Joking.)


It's quite entertaining. :)
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Postby Eirenia » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:14 pm

Abatael wrote:
Eirenia wrote:
Oh lord, you really believe that nine year olds can consent.

There is no country in the world that explicitly permits nine year olds to consent.

If you think a child can consent to sex, you're sick. Sorry, pal. Show me any source saying a nine-year-old is capable of consenting to sex.


Cameroon and the Central African Republic have no age of consent legally.


You're modeling your sexual ethics after Cameroon and the Central African Republic? Really? Do you think it would be okay to have sex with a five year old? Can a toddler consent since Cameroon and the CAR have not explicitly prohibited it?

So let me get this right -- I'm broken and messed up and you're a healthy grown person who thinks it's okay to fuck a nine-year-old.
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Postby NERVUN » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:14 pm

Eirenia wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Do you have a source that they cannot consent? And obviously you aren't speaking about legally consent, because certain nations have age of consent legally.


Oh lord, you really believe that nine year olds can consent.

There is no country in the world that explicitly permits nine year olds to consent.

If you think a child can consent to sex, you're sick. Sorry, pal. Show me any source saying a nine-year-old is capable of consenting to sex.

Attack the post and not the poster please...
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:15 pm

The Peoples Republic of Mathusula wrote:So have you ever heard of free will....?


Are you using free will in a "it is a choice" way?

If so - so you are straight? Does your free will mean you can choose to never be attracted to a member of the opposite sex, only a member of the same sex, for the rest of your life? You'll be able to settle down and life with a man (if you are a man) for the next 20 or 30 or 40 years and be as satisfied as you'd be with a woman?

If so please demonstrate as you stop being heterosexual and become homosexual.

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Postby Trotskylvania » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:15 pm

Abatael wrote:
Eirenia wrote:
Oh lord, you really believe that nine year olds can consent.

There is no country in the world that explicitly permits nine year olds to consent.

If you think a child can consent to sex, you're sick. Sorry, pal. Show me any source saying a nine-year-old is capable of consenting to sex.


Cameroon and the Central African Republic have no age of consent legally.

Try to fuck a kid, and they'll kill the fuck out of you. There are other means of enforcing social norms beside laws.
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Postby Eirenia » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:18 pm

NERVUN wrote:
Eirenia wrote:
Oh lord, you really believe that nine year olds can consent.

There is no country in the world that explicitly permits nine year olds to consent.

If you think a child can consent to sex, you're sick. Sorry, pal. Show me any source saying a nine-year-old is capable of consenting to sex.

Attack the post and not the poster please...


Sorry about that -- kids are a rage button.
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:19 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Neu Acadie wrote:Wow, you are old.

How is it to be a real life super villain? (Joking.)


It's quite entertaining. :)


And if you're lucky Hugo Weaving will play you in a movie.

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Postby Abatael » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:20 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Cameroon and the Central African Republic have no age of consent legally.

Try to fuck a kid, and they'll kill the fuck out of you. There are other means of enforcing social norms beside laws.


I highly doubt that if they consented, you would be killed or incarcerated, as long as it was orderly.

Either way though, I did say "legally."
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Postby Eirenia » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:21 pm

Abatael wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:Try to fuck a kid, and they'll kill the fuck out of you. There are other means of enforcing social norms beside laws.


I highly doubt that if they consented, you would be killed or incarcerated, as long as it was orderly.

Either way though, I did say "legally."


Can a toddler consent to sex since your sexual ethics are based on the Cameroon's laws?
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cosmopolitan social democrat
yes to: pro-choice, right to die, comprehensive sex education, social security/welfare, affirmative action, animal welfare, evolution, sex positivity, body positivity, queer rights in any form
no to: assimilationism, death penalty, pro-lifers, religious fundamentalism, abstinence-only, drone warfare, war on terror, corporate greed, censorship, TSA, anyone who calls herself/himself an "ally"
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Postby Trotskylvania » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:21 pm

Abatael wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:Try to fuck a kid, and they'll kill the fuck out of you. There are other means of enforcing social norms beside laws.


I highly doubt that if they consented, you would be killed or incarcerated, as long as it was orderly.

Either way though, I did say "legally."

Care to bet your life on that one?

All cultures have taboos against fucking the prepubescent.
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Postby NERVUN » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:22 pm

Eirenia wrote:
NERVUN wrote:Attack the post and not the poster please...


Sorry about that -- kids are a rage button.

I can understand that, I even sympathize, but...

On that note however: Abatael, there's a fine line between attempting to state a point and advocating for an illegal act, do not cross it, especially in a thread where it does not pertain to the topic.
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Postby Abatael » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:24 pm

Eirenia wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Cameroon and the Central African Republic have no age of consent legally.


You're modeling your sexual ethics after Cameroon and the Central African Republic? Really? Do you think it would be okay to have sex with a five year old? Can a toddler consent since Cameroon and the CAR have not explicitly prohibited it?

So let me get this right -- I'm broken and messed up and you're a healthy grown person who thinks it's okay to fuck a nine-year-old.


I'm not modeling any of my "ethics" after either of those two countries. You said, "There is not country in the world that explicitly permits nine year olds to consent." Well, I guess you were wrong about the quantity that allow it.

Eirenia wrote:
Abatael wrote:
I highly doubt that if they consented, you would be killed or incarcerated, as long as it was orderly.

Either way though, I did say "legally."


Can a toddler consent to sex since your sexual ethics are based on the Cameroon's laws?


I have a post for you, but I forgot to post it. It's above this one.

NERVUN wrote:
Eirenia wrote:
Sorry about that -- kids are a rage button.

I can understand that, I even sympathize, but...

On that note however: Abatael, there's a fine line between attempting to state a point and advocating for an illegal act, do not cross it, especially in a thread where it does not pertain to the topic.


I am advocating something illegal by saying there are no age of consent laws in two African nations? Seriously?

I will stop talking about it though.
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:26 pm

Abatael wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:Try to fuck a kid, and they'll kill the fuck out of you. There are other means of enforcing social norms beside laws.


I highly doubt that if they consented, you would be killed or incarcerated, as long as it was orderly.

Either way though, I did say "legally."


The problem with those examples is that they don't have a recognized one at all, as opposed to one set low. It isn't an argument for "well, Cameroon seems to think a 9 year old can consent" it's an argument for "Cameroon has an interesting legal system full of holes, exploits and no provisions for things practically every culture, including their own, finds abhorrent" Since by that logic a 8,7,6,5,4,3 should be able to consent as well, because hey, Cameroon doesn't have a law saying that is too young.

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Postby Olthar » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:27 pm

Abatael wrote:
Eirenia wrote:
You're modeling your sexual ethics after Cameroon and the Central African Republic? Really? Do you think it would be okay to have sex with a five year old? Can a toddler consent since Cameroon and the CAR have not explicitly prohibited it?

So let me get this right -- I'm broken and messed up and you're a healthy grown person who thinks it's okay to fuck a nine-year-old.


I'm not modeling any of my "ethics" after either of those two countries. You said, "There is not country in the world that explicitly permits nine year olds to consent." Well, I guess you were wrong about the quantity that allow it.

A lack of a law on the subject is, by definition, a lack of "explicit permission."
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Postby Abatael » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:30 pm

Transhuman Proteus wrote:
Abatael wrote:
I highly doubt that if they consented, you would be killed or incarcerated, as long as it was orderly.

Either way though, I did say "legally."


The problem with those examples is that they don't have a recognized one at all, as opposed to one set low. It isn't an argument for "well, Cameroon seems to think a 9 year old can consent" it's an argument for "Cameroon has an interesting legal system full of holes, exploits and no provisions for things practically every culture, including their own, finds abhorrent" Since by that logic a 8,7,6,5,4,3 should be able to consent as well, because hey, Cameroon doesn't have a law saying that is too young.


I wasn't saying that it was okay; I was simply proving him wrong about there not being any countries allowing 9 year olds to consent.

Olthar wrote:
Abatael wrote:
I'm not modeling any of my "ethics" after either of those two countries. You said, "There is not country in the world that explicitly permits nine year olds to consent." Well, I guess you were wrong about the quantity that allow it.

A lack of a law on the subject is, by definition, a lack of "explicit permission."


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Postby Eirenia » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:30 pm

I'm not modeling any of my "ethics" after either of those two countries. You said, "There is not country in the world that explicitly permits nine year olds to consent." Well, I guess you were wrong about the quantity that allow it.


Cite your source on Cameroon and the CAR as I am not seeing it in the link I have provided. I see several countries with no information about a law but none where there is no age of consent -- which STILL would not be explicitly permitting nine-year-olds to consent, merely not addressing it legally.
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yes to: pro-choice, right to die, comprehensive sex education, social security/welfare, affirmative action, animal welfare, evolution, sex positivity, body positivity, queer rights in any form
no to: assimilationism, death penalty, pro-lifers, religious fundamentalism, abstinence-only, drone warfare, war on terror, corporate greed, censorship, TSA, anyone who calls herself/himself an "ally"
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:30 pm

Abatael wrote:
Eirenia wrote:
You're modeling your sexual ethics after Cameroon and the Central African Republic? Really? Do you think it would be okay to have sex with a five year old? Can a toddler consent since Cameroon and the CAR have not explicitly prohibited it?

So let me get this right -- I'm broken and messed up and you're a healthy grown person who thinks it's okay to fuck a nine-year-old.


I'm not modeling any of my "ethics" after either of those two countries. You said, "There is not country in the world that explicitly permits nine year olds to consent." Well, I guess you were wrong about the quantity that allow it.


No law at all on the subject isn't the same as explicitly permitting it (Cameroon no more explicitly permits it than it explicitly permits a consenting 4 year old or new born from having sex). If they had a law stating the age of consent was "9 and over" then it would be explicitly permitting it.

Indeed, a think having no law at all is nearly as much of a lack of explicitly permitting it as having a law that outright prohibits it.

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Postby Olthar » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:31 pm

Abatael wrote:
Olthar wrote:A lack of a law on the subject is, by definition, a lack of "explicit permission."


Laws prohibit actions; they don't allow actions.

Then I guess a significant portion of the Constitution isn't "law" then, eh?
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