Cause of Homosexuality and Bisexuality

[Eirenia]

Which doesn't mean you're a homosexual. You don't become a homosexual through random environmental factors after you're born.

I'm not saying it means you're homosexual; I'm sure there are many people, who have done things like that before and are heterosexual.

Then how do you become homosexual, assuming you start of not as a homosexual?

Your assumption is invalid to begin with.

[Eirenia]

There is NO SUCH THING as a consenting nine year old. Ever. None. Prepubescent children do not consent to sex.

Well, if they're both under the age of consent, then I don't see how it's child molestation.

You must be joking. Right? A prepubescent child being made to do sexual things is child molestation. Always. Children can sexually assault other children.

[Mavorpen]

Such an assumption is idiotic in the first place, so this question is rather asinine.

How is that idiotic? I don't know how humans start off as, and I doubt you do.

Exactly. So making an assumption such as that is stupid. Glad you agree.

[Eirenia]

Such an assumption is idiotic in the first place, so this question is rather asinine.

How is that idiotic? I don't know how humans start off as, and I doubt you do.

There is a significant incidence of homosexuality between male identical twins (and fraternal twins to a lesser extent). Homosexuals have different physiological reactions to stimuli than heterosexuals. Homosexuals have neurological differences from heterosexual counterparts.

Explain how this makes sense if there's no biological predisposition towards homosexuality.

[Transhuman Proteus]

Do you have evidence or is this just speculation?

It's just a speculation, as I said "I feel," and "I believe." I know how one could test this, but I do not want to risk corrupting the subjects.

You don't need to test it, you need to ask gay people "did you have a SS encounter as a child?" I think you'd be surprised how many said "no".

And remembering - throughout human history, human culture, all kinds of backgrounds, both genders etc. Do you imagine there is a lot of SS hanky panky from kids in Uganda or Iran?

Burden of proof is on you.

I believe that heterosexuality comes from eating bad food as a child. Prove that this is not the case or else I am right.

I told you what I feel; he's saying this bullshit, so he can prove that epigenetics and womb hormone conditions cause it.

What you feel.

What you feel happens to be fairly fair down the ladder to what is a seriously considered hypothesis about contributing factors to homosexuality (and therefore heterosexuality as well). No one has a definitive answer yet, there are many ideas. So you should show us that your feelings (environmental as in two boys touching one another at a young age) on the subject have anywhere near the same level of serious consideration as things like womb temperature etc, things that have some proof showing biological factors (unalterable biological factors) are involved.

[Xathranaar]

Such an assumption is idiotic in the first place, so this question is rather asinine.

How is that idiotic? I don't know how humans start off as, and I doubt you do.

Err... yes, we do.

All humans are start off female, so...

[NERVUN]

I stopped reading his theory after he mentioned phermones being linked to certain genders.

It's a choice, it's not genetic.

Just accept it you Bio-freaks, no one is born Gay.

Knock it off. We don't need baiting or name calling.

[Abatael]

Well, if they're both under the age of consent, then I don't see how it's child molestation.

You must be joking. Right? A prepubescent child being made to do sexual things is child molestation. Always. Children can sexually assault other children.

I did say there was no force or intimidation.

How is that idiotic? I don't know how humans start off as, and I doubt you do.

Exactly. So making an assumption such as that is stupid. Glad you agree.

What do you think causes it?

I told you what I feel; he's saying this bullshit, so he can prove that epigenetics and womb hormone conditions cause it.

What you feel.

What you feel happens to be fairly fair down the ladder to what is a seriously considered hypothesis about contributing factors to homosexuality (and therefore heterosexuality as well). No one has a definitive answer yet, there are many ideas. So you should show us that your feelings (environmental as in two boys touching one another at a young age) on the subject have anywhere near the same level of serious consideration as things like womb temperature etc, things that have some proof showing biological factors (unalterable biological factors) are involved.

How am I to show it?

It is only a theory, and I have never done any testing on, as I am not interested in discovering the cause of homosexuality. I answered the question. No one knows what it is or has given any evidence proving me wrong, besides saying, "That's so dumb," or "So child molestation cause homosexuality?"

And I don't think about this that much really, so, of course, there would be some issues with it. People are treating this like I'm saying, "No, this is the one and only cause for homosexuality."

How is that idiotic? I don't know how humans start off as, and I doubt you do.

Err... yes, we do.

All humans are start off female, so...

What does that have to do with the starting sexuality?

[Mavorpen]

What do you think causes it?

Some genetic and some external that changes how these genes are expressed.

[Abatael]

What do you think causes it?

Some genetic and some external that changes how these genes are expressed.

What would be an external factor?

[Xathranaar]

Err... yes, we do.

All humans are start off female, so...

What does that have to do with the starting sexuality?

It implies that that the default setting is either female hetero, or bisexuality, but not male heterosexuality.

[Salandriagado]

Some genetic and some external that changes how these genes are expressed.

What would be an external factor?

Hormonal conditions in the womb would be the most obvious.

[Eirenia]

You must be joking. Right? A prepubescent child being made to do sexual things is child molestation. Always. Children can sexually assault other children.

I did say there was no force or intimidation.

A nine year old cannot consent under any circumstances. it is ALWAYS sexual assault to have sexual content with a nine-year-old. Do you really think a prepubescent child can consent? If you do, you're far more damaged than I am as a gay person.

[Olthar]

You must be joking. Right? A prepubescent child being made to do sexual things is child molestation. Always. Children can sexually assault other children.

I did say there was no force or intimidation.

Children do not perform sexual activities unless taught that behavior by an adult. It just doesn't happen. Children do not experience sexual desire until puberty hits.

[Mavorpen]

Some genetic and some external that changes how these genes are expressed.

What would be an external factor?

Salandria beat me to it.

[Xathranaar]

I did say there was no force or intimidation.

Children do not perform sexual activities unless taught that behavior by an adult. It just doesn't happen. Children do not experience sexual desire until puberty hits.

That's not entirely accurate.

[Abatael]

I did say there was no force or intimidation.

A nine year old cannot consent under any circumstances. it is ALWAYS sexual assault to have sexual content with a nine-year-old. Do you really think a prepubescent child can consent? If you do, you're far more damaged than I am as a gay person.

Do you have a source that they cannot consent? And obviously you aren't speaking about legally consent, because certain nations have age of consent legally.

[Olthar]

Children do not perform sexual activities unless taught that behavior by an adult. It just doesn't happen. Children do not experience sexual desire until puberty hits.

That's not entirely accurate.

Are you saying prepubescent children naturally engage in sexual activities?

[Mavorpen]

A nine year old cannot consent under any circumstances. it is ALWAYS sexual assault to have sexual content with a nine-year-old. Do you really think a prepubescent child can consent? If you do, you're far more damaged than I am as a gay person.

Do you have a source that they cannot consent? And obviously you aren't speaking about legally consent, because certain nations have age of consent legally.

AFAIK, no nation allows 9 year olds to consent. The lowest age of consent is 12 maybe. I'd have to check.

[San-Silvacian]

'Gays came out of the womb being fabulous because the womb was a bit to warm'

seems legit.

[Olthar]

Do you have a source that they cannot consent? And obviously you aren't speaking about legally consent, because certain nations have age of consent legally.

AFAIK, no nation allows 9 year olds to consent. The lowest age of consent is 12 maybe. I'd have to check.

Saudi Arabia is 9 if the child is married.

[Mavorpen]

AFAIK, no nation allows 9 year olds to consent. The lowest age of consent is 12 maybe. I'd have to check.

Saudi Arabia is 9 if the child is married.

Damn loopholes.

[Transhuman Proteus]

What you feel.

What you feel happens to be fairly fair down the ladder to what is a seriously considered hypothesis about contributing factors to homosexuality (and therefore heterosexuality as well). No one has a definitive answer yet, there are many ideas. So you should show us that your feelings (environmental as in two boys touching one another at a young age) on the subject have anywhere near the same level of serious consideration as things like womb temperature etc, things that have some proof showing biological factors (unalterable biological factors) are involved.

How am I to show it?

It is only a theory, and I have never done any testing on, as I am not interested in discovering the cause of homosexuality. I answered the question. No one knows what it is or has given any evidence proving me wrong, besides saying, "That's so dumb," or "So child molestation cause homosexuality?"

And I don't think about this that much really, so, of course, there would be some issues with it. People are treating this like I'm saying, "No, this is the one and only cause for homosexuality."

First you ask yourself why exactly you think/feel that, and if you have any good reason to think/feel that. And then realize there are a lot of other theories on the subject that point away from what your thinking. Instead of going "Mr Darwin, I hear you are just starting to come up with a theory on the origin of species that isn't biblical - I have no good reason to believe this but my theory is *presents idea with no good reason why it is plausible and goes against everything science is showing as more likely*. Now prove I'm wrong Mr Darwin!"

Then you could consider actual homosexual people, and how many of them say "why yes, as a child I had a homosexual encounter with another child". If you have no reason to think any great number had these imaginary experiences then your theory is in trouble. If you consider it might well be likely more of them had a "heterosexual encounter" - the old playing doctor scenario yet still ended up homosexual? Or walked in on their parents or saw a pornographic magazine etc. Or the passive saturation of heterosexual relationships in society - every child will have seen a lot more straight romances, kisses, fade to blacks on tv, in movies, books, games etc than homosexual ones.

As to no one giving you any evidence to prove you wrong - because it is your claim, and there is no evidence to prove a negative in this case because no science is showing it as plausible - psychology, biology etc are all starting to point in a similar direction, and it isn't to your theory.

[Xathranaar]

That's not entirely accurate.

Are you saying prepubescent children naturally engage in sexual activities?

Yes. It is a mistake to view children as asexual. They are just not fully sexual.

This does not mean that what Abatael proposes is not abuse.

[Olthar]

Saudi Arabia is 9 if the child is married.

Damn loopholes.

I think it's a religious thing since Muhammad had a nine year-old wife, and since Muhammad can do no wrong, it must be morally acceptable to marry nine year-olds.