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What is(are) the cause(s) of Homosexuality and Bisexuality?

Genetics (meaning the make up of the person excluding outside factors)
193
32%
Hormone changes in the womb
65
11%
Temperature changes in the womb
3
1%
Sexual Abuse (You know it had to be on here)
16
3%
Disease (You know it had to be on here)
29
5%
Other (please specify)
91
15%
Combination (please specify)
130
22%
I'm looking for a cop out and this is it
70
12%
 
Total votes : 597

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Postby Abatael » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:17 pm

Keron wrote:
Abatael wrote:I think outside, environmental factors cause it.


Like?


Like, assuming the younger party has had no sexual experience, if a nine year old girl and a thirteen year old girl were to engage in homosexual behavior, I feel the younger party would also tend towards homosexual behavior in the future.

Or, like with circle jerks out of curiosity. If the group of young boys held them once, but then they continued to perform them, because they feel good and not because they are curious, I believe the boys would tend towards homosexual behavior.
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Postby Salandriagado » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:18 pm

Abatael wrote:
Keron wrote:
Like?


Like, assuming the younger party has had no sexual experience, if a nine year old girl and a thirteen year old girl were to engage in homosexual behavior, I feel the younger party would also tend towards homosexual behavior in the future.

Or, like with circle jerks out of curiosity. If the group of young boys held them once, but then they continued to perform them, because they feel good and not because they are curious, I believe the boys would tend towards homosexual behavior.


Up until this post, you were going well. The environmental factors that you were after were in fact things like epigenetics and womb hormone conditions, not bullshit.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Postby Abatael » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:19 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Like, assuming the younger party has had no sexual experience, if a nine year old girl and a thirteen year old girl were to engage in homosexual behavior, I feel the younger party would also tend towards homosexual behavior in the future.

Or, like with circle jerks out of curiosity. If the group of young boys held them once, but then they continued to perform them, because they feel good and not because they are curious, I believe the boys would tend towards homosexual behavior.


Up until this post, you were going well. The environmental factors that you were after were in fact things like epigenetics and womb hormone conditions, not bullshit.


Oh, I was unaware you had evidence against this. Please, share it with us.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:19 pm

Abatael wrote:
Keron wrote:
Like?


Like, assuming the younger party has had no sexual experience, if a nine year old girl and a thirteen year old girl were to engage in homosexual behavior, I feel the younger party would also tend towards homosexual behavior in the future.

Or, like with circle jerks out of curiosity. If the group of young boys held them once, but then they continued to perform them, because they feel good and not because they are curious, I believe the boys would tend towards homosexual behavior.

Then you're not talking about homosexuality. Homosexual behavior doesn't make you a homosexual.
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Postby CVT Temp » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:19 pm

The people who claim that it's a choice do so because their theology and ideology requires it to be a choice. Were it not a choice, it would punch a giant inconsistency into their worldview. Since it's easier to maintain belief in a single false/nonsensical proposition than it is to re-examine your entire worldview, they simply take the path of least resistance. Humans are naturally cognitively lazy. It takes struggle to resist the instincts of mental shortcuts and cognitive biases.
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Postby Abatael » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:19 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Like, assuming the younger party has had no sexual experience, if a nine year old girl and a thirteen year old girl were to engage in homosexual behavior, I feel the younger party would also tend towards homosexual behavior in the future.

Or, like with circle jerks out of curiosity. If the group of young boys held them once, but then they continued to perform them, because they feel good and not because they are curious, I believe the boys would tend towards homosexual behavior.

Then you're not talking about homosexuality. Homosexual behavior doesn't make you a homosexual.


I was using that as a synonym, maybe a euphemism, for homosexual actions, like sodomy with two or more people of the same sex.
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Postby CVT Temp » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:20 pm

Abatael wrote:Like, assuming the younger party has had no sexual experience, if a nine year old girl and a thirteen year old girl were to engage in homosexual behavior, I feel the younger party would also tend towards homosexual behavior in the future.

Or, like with circle jerks out of curiosity. If the group of young boys held them once, but then they continued to perform them, because they feel good and not because they are curious, I believe the boys would tend towards homosexual behavior.


Do you have evidence or is this just speculation?
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Postby CVT Temp » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:21 pm

Abatael wrote:Oh, I was unaware you had evidence against this. Please, share it with us.


Really, a burden of proof fallacy?
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Postby Eirenia » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:21 pm

Abatael wrote:
Keron wrote:
Like?


Like, assuming the younger party has had no sexual experience, if a nine year old girl and a thirteen year old girl were to engage in homosexual behavior, I feel the younger party would also tend towards homosexual behavior in the future.

Or, like with circle jerks out of curiosity. If the group of young boys held them once, but then they continued to perform them, because they feel good and not because they are curious, I believe the boys would tend towards homosexual behavior.


sex with a nine year old is child molestation. are you implying that all gay people are child molestation victims? enlighten me.

The biological differences between straight and gay people arise from...?
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no to: assimilationism, death penalty, pro-lifers, religious fundamentalism, abstinence-only, drone warfare, war on terror, corporate greed, censorship, TSA, anyone who calls herself/himself an "ally"
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Postby Abatael » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:21 pm

CVT Temp wrote:
Abatael wrote:Like, assuming the younger party has had no sexual experience, if a nine year old girl and a thirteen year old girl were to engage in homosexual behavior, I feel the younger party would also tend towards homosexual behavior in the future.

Or, like with circle jerks out of curiosity. If the group of young boys held them once, but then they continued to perform them, because they feel good and not because they are curious, I believe the boys would tend towards homosexual behavior.


Do you have evidence or is this just speculation?


It's just a speculation, as I said "I feel," and "I believe." I know how one could test this, but I do not want to risk corrupting the subjects.
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Postby Eirenia » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:22 pm

Abatael wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Up until this post, you were going well. The environmental factors that you were after were in fact things like epigenetics and womb hormone conditions, not bullshit.


Oh, I was unaware you had evidence against this. Please, share it with us.


Burden of proof is on you.

I believe that heterosexuality comes from eating bad food as a child. Prove that this is not the case or else I am right.
look i have views and opinions
radical queer, feminist, liberal, agnostic non-practicing jew, american
she/her/hers pronouns
Economic Left/Right: -6.88, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15
cosmopolitan social democrat
yes to: pro-choice, right to die, comprehensive sex education, social security/welfare, affirmative action, animal welfare, evolution, sex positivity, body positivity, queer rights in any form
no to: assimilationism, death penalty, pro-lifers, religious fundamentalism, abstinence-only, drone warfare, war on terror, corporate greed, censorship, TSA, anyone who calls herself/himself an "ally"
fence-sitting: israel/palestine, electoral college, gun control, capitalism, probably other things

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Postby Abatael » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:22 pm

Eirenia wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Like, assuming the younger party has had no sexual experience, if a nine year old girl and a thirteen year old girl were to engage in homosexual behavior, I feel the younger party would also tend towards homosexual behavior in the future.

Or, like with circle jerks out of curiosity. If the group of young boys held them once, but then they continued to perform them, because they feel good and not because they are curious, I believe the boys would tend towards homosexual behavior.


sex with a nine year old is child molestation. are you implying that all gay people are child molestation victims? enlighten me.

The biological differences between straight and gay people arise from...?


This is between consenting individuals and both children.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:23 pm

Abatael wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Then you're not talking about homosexuality. Homosexual behavior doesn't make you a homosexual.


I was using that as a synonym, maybe a euphemism, for homosexual actions, like sodomy with two or more people of the same sex.

Which doesn't mean you're a homosexual. You don't become a homosexual through random environmental factors after you're born.
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Postby Salandriagado » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:23 pm

Abatael wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Up until this post, you were going well. The environmental factors that you were after were in fact things like epigenetics and womb hormone conditions, not bullshit.


Oh, I was unaware you had evidence against this. Please, share it with us.


That isn't how evidence works. The burden of evidence. It is on you. Until you provide evidence, your claim is bullshit.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Eirenia » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:24 pm

Abatael wrote:
CVT Temp wrote:
Do you have evidence or is this just speculation?


It's just a speculation, as I said "I feel," and "I believe." I know how one could test this, but I do not want to risk corrupting the subjects.


Implying that there's any sort of scientific experiment where children are molested by multiple people that would result in valid information about homosexuality.
look i have views and opinions
radical queer, feminist, liberal, agnostic non-practicing jew, american
she/her/hers pronouns
Economic Left/Right: -6.88, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15
cosmopolitan social democrat
yes to: pro-choice, right to die, comprehensive sex education, social security/welfare, affirmative action, animal welfare, evolution, sex positivity, body positivity, queer rights in any form
no to: assimilationism, death penalty, pro-lifers, religious fundamentalism, abstinence-only, drone warfare, war on terror, corporate greed, censorship, TSA, anyone who calls herself/himself an "ally"
fence-sitting: israel/palestine, electoral college, gun control, capitalism, probably other things

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Postby Abatael » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:24 pm

Eirenia wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Oh, I was unaware you had evidence against this. Please, share it with us.


Burden of proof is on you.

I believe that heterosexuality comes from eating bad food as a child. Prove that this is not the case or else I am right.


I told you what I feel; he's saying this bullshit, so he can prove that epigenetics and womb hormone conditions cause it.
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Postby CVT Temp » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:24 pm

Eirenia wrote:The biological differences between straight and gay people arise from...?


God changing your DNA when you decide to sin.
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Postby Eirenia » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:24 pm

Abatael wrote:
Eirenia wrote:
sex with a nine year old is child molestation. are you implying that all gay people are child molestation victims? enlighten me.

The biological differences between straight and gay people arise from...?


This is between consenting individuals and both children.


There is NO SUCH THING as a consenting nine year old. Ever. None. Prepubescent children do not consent to sex.
look i have views and opinions
radical queer, feminist, liberal, agnostic non-practicing jew, american
she/her/hers pronouns
Economic Left/Right: -6.88, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15
cosmopolitan social democrat
yes to: pro-choice, right to die, comprehensive sex education, social security/welfare, affirmative action, animal welfare, evolution, sex positivity, body positivity, queer rights in any form
no to: assimilationism, death penalty, pro-lifers, religious fundamentalism, abstinence-only, drone warfare, war on terror, corporate greed, censorship, TSA, anyone who calls herself/himself an "ally"
fence-sitting: israel/palestine, electoral college, gun control, capitalism, probably other things

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Postby Eirenia » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:25 pm

Abatael wrote:
Eirenia wrote:
Burden of proof is on you.

I believe that heterosexuality comes from eating bad food as a child. Prove that this is not the case or else I am right.


I told you what I feel; he's saying this bullshit, so he can prove that epigenetics and womb hormone conditions cause it.


That doesn't make any sense. Your "feelings" don't mean a damn thing in a discussion about fact. I feel that gravity doesn't exist but I'm not floating.
look i have views and opinions
radical queer, feminist, liberal, agnostic non-practicing jew, american
she/her/hers pronouns
Economic Left/Right: -6.88, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15
cosmopolitan social democrat
yes to: pro-choice, right to die, comprehensive sex education, social security/welfare, affirmative action, animal welfare, evolution, sex positivity, body positivity, queer rights in any form
no to: assimilationism, death penalty, pro-lifers, religious fundamentalism, abstinence-only, drone warfare, war on terror, corporate greed, censorship, TSA, anyone who calls herself/himself an "ally"
fence-sitting: israel/palestine, electoral college, gun control, capitalism, probably other things

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Postby Abatael » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:25 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Abatael wrote:
I was using that as a synonym, maybe a euphemism, for homosexual actions, like sodomy with two or more people of the same sex.

Which doesn't mean you're a homosexual. You don't become a homosexual through random environmental factors after you're born.


I'm not saying it means you're homosexual; I'm sure there are many people, who have done things like that before and are heterosexual.

Then how do you become homosexual, assuming you start of not as a homosexual?
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Postby Typhlochactas » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:25 pm

CVT Temp wrote:
Eirenia wrote:The biological differences between straight and gay people arise from...?


God changing your DNA when you decide to sin.


Finally, somebody whose brain isn't infested with the PC bullshit that gets taught in colleges these days.

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Postby Abatael » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:26 pm

Eirenia wrote:
Abatael wrote:
This is between consenting individuals and both children.


There is NO SUCH THING as a consenting nine year old. Ever. None. Prepubescent children do not consent to sex.


Well, if they're both under the age of consent, then I don't see how it's child molestation.
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Postby Abatael » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:26 pm

Eirenia wrote:
Abatael wrote:
I told you what I feel; he's saying this bullshit, so he can prove that epigenetics and womb hormone conditions cause it.


That doesn't make any sense. Your "feelings" don't mean a damn thing in a discussion about fact. I feel that gravity doesn't exist but I'm not floating.


That's nice.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:26 pm

Abatael wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Which doesn't mean you're a homosexual. You don't become a homosexual through random environmental factors after you're born.


I'm not saying it means you're homosexual; I'm sure there are many people, who have done things like that before and are heterosexual.

Then how do you become homosexual, assuming you start of not as a homosexual?

Such an assumption is idiotic in the first place, so this question is rather asinine.
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Postby Abatael » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:27 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Abatael wrote:
I'm not saying it means you're homosexual; I'm sure there are many people, who have done things like that before and are heterosexual.

Then how do you become homosexual, assuming you start of not as a homosexual?

Such an assumption is idiotic in the first place, so this question is rather asinine.


How is that idiotic? I don't know how humans start off as, and I doubt you do.
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