Cause of Homosexuality and Bisexuality

[Eirenia]

I stopped reading his theory after he mentioned phermones being linked to certain genders.

It's a choice, it's not genetic.

Just accept it you Bio-freaks, no one is born Gay.

Prove it and explain why you would choose to be gay in light of the incredible oppression against gay people, including lifetime imprisonment and the death penalty.

[Seperates]

I stopped reading his theory after he mentioned phermones being linked to certain genders.

It's a choice, it's not genetic.

Just accept it you Bio-freaks, no one is born Gay.

And yet, even if it's a choice, that doesn't actually mean anything negative.

[Ifreann]

- Negative view on homosexuality.

- Called a restrained homosexual by supposedly open-minded forum goers that support LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ rights.

You can see where we're getting it, with all this "no self control makes you gay!" Makes it sound like you'd be gay if you were less controlled, as in, you're attracted to other men(or women), but you suppress those feelings because you think they're sinful.

[Faerie Gatherers]

Wouldn't it be most logical to think that sexual orientation is dependent on hormone levels in utero and further influenced by environmental factors after birth? If monozygotic twins who share the same genes don't always share the same sexual preferences, doesn't that disprove the "gay gene" entirely? And wouldn't a "gay gene" be bred out of existence with lightning speed, since homosexual pairs can't naturally breed?

Wasn't the "gay gene" made up by homophobes that have no idea how human development in general works?

[Xathranaar]

- Negative view on homosexuality.

- Called a restrained homosexual by supposedly open-minded forum goers that support LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ rights.

Oh yes, you'd be surprised how many homophobes are actually self-hating gays. People like Ted Haggard and such.

Again, it is the fact that you ascribe homosexuality to a lack of self-control. As I said, I lack self-control, and I am not even slightly tempted to have sex with my fellow man. I draw the line at tomboys.

You, on the other hand, seem to have an attraction to people of your same gender. Such that it requires effort on your part not to act on this attraction. That makes you at least bi.

Now why don't you stop this foolishness and come out?

[Trotskylvania]

- Negative view on homosexuality.

- Called a restrained homosexual by supposedly open-minded forum goers that support LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ rights.

You're the one who said that homosexuality was a matter of a lack of self-restraint. The only way you could reach that conclusion is if you were a repressed homosexual.

And if you are, that's cool. I'd just encourage you to stop hating yourself, because like a good person who actually takes what Jesus says to heart, I will love you and accept you as my human brother regardless.

[Trotskylvania]

Wouldn't it be most logical to think that sexual orientation is dependent on hormone levels in utero and further influenced by environmental factors after birth? If monozygotic twins who share the same genes don't always share the same sexual preferences, doesn't that disprove the "gay gene" entirely? And wouldn't a "gay gene" be bred out of existence with lightning speed, since homosexual pairs can't naturally breed?

Wasn't the "gay gene" made up by homophobes that have no idea how human development in general works?

Generally, yes.

Most evolutionary biologists who study it have ruled out any single "gay gene". There are a number of genes that could, or do in fact effect sexuality, and many times the interaction is complex with the environment. It's not a matter of turning on a switch and viola suddenly you're gay. At best, they've determined that the research favors a high probability of some genetic component.

[Ceannairceach]

I stopped reading his theory after he mentioned phermones being linked to certain genders.

It's a choice, it's not genetic.

Just accept it you Bio-freaks, no one is born Gay.

And? Ignoring the fact that altering one's sexuality has never been shown to actually happen, it being a choice doesn't actually affect anything, from our rights to our status as "freaks".

[Earth and the Colonies]

Wouldn't it be most logical to think that sexual orientation is dependent on hormone levels in utero and further influenced by environmental factors after birth? If monozygotic twins who share the same genes don't always share the same sexual preferences, doesn't that disprove the "gay gene" entirely? And wouldn't a "gay gene" be bred out of existence with lightning speed, since homosexual pairs can't naturally breed?

Wasn't the "gay gene" made up by homophobes that have no idea how human development in general works?

No, it was created by the pro-LGBT side to make it as if there was a genetic correlation between DNA and sexual orientation, rather than a "choice" to be an ebul deviant satan-worshipping godless homosexual hurr durr.

[Hungry]

Genetics (meaning the make up of the person excluding outside factors)


Vhat about Epigenetics?

[Xathranaar]

I stopped reading his theory after he mentioned phermones being linked to certain genders.

It's a choice, it's not genetic.

Just accept it you Bio-freaks, no one is born Gay.

Alright, as it is a choice... choose it.

Come on, put your money where your mouth is, and some other things where your mouth is too. Prove that homosexuality is a choice for once and for all time. And I don't want to see tears running down your eyes, I don't want, "well, if I have to..." sex, you have to enjoy it. Because enjoying it is the gay way.

And if you can't do that, or are unwilling to try, then maybe you should reconsider whether it is a choice.


And pics or it didn't happen.

[Grenartia]

this is jusy my opinion but homosexuality is a mental illness i think theres a gay gene and it can be cured.

Psychology disagrees with you.

Choice?

Why would somebody choose to be LGBT? Especially in places like the American South, Africa, and the Middle East? Obviously, then, nobody chooses to be gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender.

I was told when I was young that I would be disowned if I ever came out as gay. When I came out it very nearly came true and years later I have not repaired familial relationships. I have been threatened with corrective rape before. One in four youth who come out will become homeless. Many people are killed or imprisoned worldwide for being gay. Please enlighten me as to why we would make this delightful choice.

Because many parents would rather not face the prospect of their child pledging their life to sin. I'm sorry you expect your family to "evolve and accept" you, and I'm sure they still love you. I'm not sure why it would make a delightful choice. Why do many teenagers rebel? (Homo/bisexuality is now a staple in the "rebellious" teenagers identity, you know. They hate their parents? They like girls and boys, mom and dad!)

Implying its even a sin (which it isn't).

And really? Teenage rebellion? That's bullshit. I never rebelled against my parents.

- Negative view on homosexuality.

- Called a restrained homosexual by supposedly open-minded forum goers that support LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ rights.

I used to be more or less the same way. Its called denial.

I stopped reading his theory after he mentioned phermones being linked to certain genders.

It's a choice, it's not genetic.

Just accept it you Bio-freaks, no one is born Gay.

See the above arguments as to the stupidity of thinking its a choice. Besides, even if it was a choice, what's wrong about it?

[Ceannairceach]

I was told when I was young that I would be disowned if I ever came out as gay. When I came out it very nearly came true and years later I have not repaired familial relationships. I have been threatened with corrective rape before. One in four youth who come out will become homeless. Many people are killed or imprisoned worldwide for being gay. Please enlighten me as to why we would make this delightful choice.

Because many parents would rather not face the prospect of their child pledging their life to sin. I'm sorry you expect your family to "evolve and accept" you, and I'm sure they still love you. I'm not sure why it would make a delightful choice. Why do many teenagers rebel? (Homo/bisexuality is now a staple in the "rebellious" teenagers identity, you know. They hate their parents? They like girls and boys, mom and dad!)

Lies lies lies. Stop doing that.

[Eirenia]

Wouldn't it be most logical to think that sexual orientation is dependent on hormone levels in utero and further influenced by environmental factors after birth? If monozygotic twins who share the same genes don't always share the same sexual preferences, doesn't that disprove the "gay gene" entirely? And wouldn't a "gay gene" be bred out of existence with lightning speed, since homosexual pairs can't naturally breed?

There is no reason to believe that there is just one gay gene.

However, you're relying on a few assumptions about genetics that don't quite work: the first being that homosexuals never reproduce (perfectly possible, just not with each other) and the second being that such a gene might not need to be passed down directly by a homosexual. There's a theory that homosexuality evolved as a measure to support the children of relatives and pass down one's genetic information as an uncle or aunt instead, similar to how meerkat family all care for the children of the two "lead meerkats," who are usually genetically related to the meerkats around them. In fact, iirc (this is in a book I no longer own, so I can't source) meerkats are more likely to respond to the calls of pups based on how closely related they are.

[Mavorpen]

Wasn't the "gay gene" made up by homophobes that have no idea how human development in general works?

No, it was created by the pro-LGBT side to make it as if there was a genetic correlation between DNA and sexual orientation, rather than a "choice" to be an ebul deviant satan-worshipping godless homosexual hurr durr.

No it wasn't.

[Faerie Gatherers]

Wasn't the "gay gene" made up by homophobes that have no idea how human development in general works?

No, it was created by the pro-LGBT side to make it as if there was a genetic correlation between DNA and sexual orientation, rather than a "choice" to be an ebul deviant satan-worshipping godless homosexual hurr durr.

Really?
I remember it being more like
>it's a choice
>no it's natural
>then where's the gay gene hurrdurr

[Agymnum]

I was told when I was young that I would be disowned if I ever came out as gay. When I came out it very nearly came true and years later I have not repaired familial relationships. I have been threatened with corrective rape before. One in four youth who come out will become homeless. Many people are killed or imprisoned worldwide for being gay. Please enlighten me as to why we would make this delightful choice.

Because many parents would rather not face the prospect of their child pledging their life to sin. I'm sorry you expect your family to "evolve and accept" you, and I'm sure they still love you. I'm not sure why it would make a delightful choice. Why do many teenagers rebel? (Homo/bisexuality is now a staple in the "rebellious" teenagers identity, you know. They hate their parents? They like girls and boys, mom and dad!)

That was the most fucking retarded statement I've ever read on NSG, with only some of the threads on F7 succeeding in surpassing it's stupidity.

Congratulations.

[Eirenia]

No, it was created by the pro-LGBT side to make it as if there was a genetic correlation between DNA and sexual orientation, rather than a "choice" to be an ebul deviant satan-worshipping godless homosexual hurr durr.

Really?
I remember it being more like
>it's a choice
>no it's natural
>then where's the gay gene hurrdurr

The idea was first floated by psychologists/neuroscientists around the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century, iirc. Can't say they were pro-gay (...at all) but they also weren't saying that they believed homosexuality was a choice.

[Keron]

Genetics and hormonal imbalances in the womb, I'd guess. Environmental factors probably do have an effect, but I dare say that the effect is so small it's negligible.

[Salandriagado]

I stopped reading his theory after he mentioned phermones being linked to certain genders.

It's a choice, it's not genetic.

Just accept it you Bio-freaks, no one is born Gay.

Factually incorrect. The term you are searching for is "biologists".

[Abatael]

I think outside, environmental factors cause it.

[Keron]

I stopped reading his theory after he mentioned phermones being linked to certain genders.

It's a choice, it's not genetic.

Just accept it you Bio-freaks, no one is born Gay.

Funny how no reputable psychologist has claimed so, then... On the other hand, a fair number of reputed biologists have gone on the record to say that it is indeed genetic factors which cause homosexuality.

[Keron]

I think outside, environmental factors cause it.

Like?

[Eirenia]

I think outside, environmental factors cause it.

Such as?

[The Daktanese Technocracy]

I picked the cop out one. Not because I know and I don't want to say, but because I don't know and I try not to talk out of my ass.