Cause of Homosexuality and Bisexuality

[Maudlnya]

could be genetic thing, or it could be a choice, or it could be a mental illness......who really knows

Um, scientists, doctors, psychologists, psychiatrists, and actual gay people would know. Thanks.

This is vaguely similar to nature vs. nurture.... Is it?

[Seperates]

Why do you think gay people are inferior?

I don't think that homosexuals are inferior. I just think they most like have some kind of perversion that inspires lust for the same sex, and those who act on it don't have self control.

Like pretty much all of the human race.

[Xathranaar]

could be genetic thing, or it could be a choice, or it could be a mental illness......who really knows

Or some people just have a lack of self respect/control.

I lack self control, and I've never once been tempted to stick my genitals into another mans mouth and or bum.

That the only thing stopping you from doing so is an apparently powerful sense of restraint, says something about you.

[Moon Cows]

Choice?

I was told when I was young that I would be disowned if I ever came out as gay. When I came out it very nearly came true and years later I have not repaired familial relationships. I have been threatened with corrective rape before. One in four youth who come out will become homeless. Many people are killed or imprisoned worldwide for being gay. Please enlighten me as to why we would make this delightful choice.

Because many parents would rather not face the prospect of their child pledging their life to sin. I'm sorry you expect your family to "evolve and accept" you, and I'm sure they still love you. I'm not sure why it would make a delightful choice. Why do many teenagers rebel? (Homo/bisexuality is now a staple in the "rebellious" teenagers identity, you know. They hate their parents? They like girls and boys, mom and dad!)

[Eirenia]

Um, scientists, doctors, psychologists, psychiatrists, and actual gay people would know. Thanks.

This is vaguely similar to nature vs. nurture.... Is it?

Homosexuality has a 52% incidence rate in male identical twins.

Therefore it's not 100% genetic and there cannot be a "gay gene" but very likely partially biological. Homosexual people have different responses to being startled by stimuli and neuroanatomical differences from their heterosexual counterparts, implying that it is very much related to a biological component.

The idea that it is a choice or an illness is across the board not supported by the AMA, American Psychological Association, nor the American Psychiatric assocation.

[Trotskylvania]

Or some people just have a lack of self respect/control.

I lack self control, and I've never once been tempted to stick my genitals into another mans mouth and or bum.

That the only thing stopping you from doing so is an apparently powerful sense of restraint, says something about you.

Namely, that he should probably relax that restraint just a little bit and enjoy himself some consensual anal sex

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Because many parents would rather not face the prospect of their child pledging their life to sin.

Morality is subjective, and you don't get to make others' choices or judge them.

I'm sorry you expect your family to "evolve and accept" you,

It's called "love", it's what you expect from a family when you do nothing wrong.

and I'm sure they still love you. I'm not sure why it would make a delightful choice. Why do many teenagers rebel? (Homo/bisexuality is now a staple in the "rebellious" teenagers identity, you know. They hate their parents? They like girls and boys, mom and dad!)

Ignorant bullshit is ignorant bullshit.

You might like to try an argument.

[Seperates]

I was told when I was young that I would be disowned if I ever came out as gay. When I came out it very nearly came true and years later I have not repaired familial relationships. I have been threatened with corrective rape before. One in four youth who come out will become homeless. Many people are killed or imprisoned worldwide for being gay. Please enlighten me as to why we would make this delightful choice.

Because many parents would rather not face the prospect of their child pledging their life to sin. I'm sorry you expect your family to "evolve and accept" you, and I'm sure they still love you. I'm not sure why it would make a delightful choice. Why do many teenagers rebel? (Homo/bisexuality is now a staple in the "rebellious" teenagers identity, you know. They hate their parents? They like girls and boys, mom and dad!)

I'd say that if their family really loved them they would accept them, seeing as their particular fetish doesn't actually harm anyone.

Not really rebellious. I've generally been pretty damn rebellious. I've never liked men though.

[Olthar]

I lack self control, and I've never once been tempted to stick my genitals into another mans mouth and or bum.

That the only thing stopping you from doing so is an apparently powerful sense of restraint, says something about you.

Namely, that he should probably relax that restraint just a little bit and enjoy himself some consensual anal sex

I'll get the camera!

[Eirenia]

I was told when I was young that I would be disowned if I ever came out as gay. When I came out it very nearly came true and years later I have not repaired familial relationships. I have been threatened with corrective rape before. One in four youth who come out will become homeless. Many people are killed or imprisoned worldwide for being gay. Please enlighten me as to why we would make this delightful choice.

Because many parents would rather not face the prospect of their child pledging their life to sin. I'm sorry you expect your family to "evolve and accept" you, and I'm sure they still love you. I'm not sure why it would make a delightful choice. Why do many teenagers rebel? (Homo/bisexuality is now a staple in the "rebellious" teenagers identity, you know. They hate their parents? They like girls and boys, mom and dad!)

I don't expect a thing from cishets, actually. See above about biological influences on homosexuality.

[Norstal]

I was told when I was young that I would be disowned if I ever came out as gay. When I came out it very nearly came true and years later I have not repaired familial relationships. I have been threatened with corrective rape before. One in four youth who come out will become homeless. Many people are killed or imprisoned worldwide for being gay. Please enlighten me as to why we would make this delightful choice.

Because many parents would rather not face the prospect of their child pledging their life to sin. I'm sorry you expect your family to "evolve and accept" you, and I'm sure they still love you. I'm not sure why it would make a delightful choice. Why do many teenagers rebel? (Homo/bisexuality is now a staple in the "rebellious" teenagers identity, you know. They hate their parents? They like girls and boys, mom and dad!)

Sin according to whom?

Inb4 Christian master race argument

[Trotskylvania]

I was told when I was young that I would be disowned if I ever came out as gay. When I came out it very nearly came true and years later I have not repaired familial relationships. I have been threatened with corrective rape before. One in four youth who come out will become homeless. Many people are killed or imprisoned worldwide for being gay. Please enlighten me as to why we would make this delightful choice.

Because many parents would rather not face the prospect of their child pledging their life to sin. I'm sorry you expect your family to "evolve and accept" you, and I'm sure they still love you. I'm not sure why it would make a delightful choice. Why do many teenagers rebel? (Homo/bisexuality is now a staple in the "rebellious" teenagers identity, you know. They hate their parents? They like girls and boys, mom and dad!)

I'm probably the most faithful son anyone could expect, and I've had a wonderful relationship with my parents, and never actively rebelled against them, because they treated me with respect, explained to me why I was wrong when I was wrong, and respected my own choices on what I wanted to do with my life. And yet I'm bisexual, and my mom's been totally okay with this.

Looks like you're just talking out your ass, again.

[Maudlnya]

This is vaguely similar to nature vs. nurture.... Is it?

Homosexuality has a 52% incidence rate in male identical twins.

Therefore it's not 100% genetic and there cannot be a "gay gene" but very likely partially biological. Homosexual people have different responses to being startled by stimuli and neuroanatomical differences from their heterosexual counterparts, implying that it is very much related to a biological component.

The idea that it is a choice or an illness is across the board not supported by the AMA, American Psychological Association, nor the American Psychiatric assocation.

I think it has something to do with birth order and what you typed up there. But I don't think it's a choice and I also don't think you are born with it... It should be a mish mash of everthing really

[Howdoyoudoland]

Likely a chemical imbalance of some sort in the brain.

[Moon Cows]

- Negative view on homosexuality.

- Called a restrained homosexual by supposedly open-minded forum goers that support LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ rights.

[Eirenia]

Because many parents would rather not face the prospect of their child pledging their life to sin. I'm sorry you expect your family to "evolve and accept" you, and I'm sure they still love you. I'm not sure why it would make a delightful choice. Why do many teenagers rebel? (Homo/bisexuality is now a staple in the "rebellious" teenagers identity, you know. They hate their parents? They like girls and boys, mom and dad!)

Sin according to whom?

Inb4 Christian master race argument

^ I should probably actually take this moment to clarify that rejection from my family was not inherently religious in nature.

[Ifreann]

Because many parents would rather not face the prospect of their child pledging their life to sin. I'm sorry you expect your family to "evolve and accept" you, and I'm sure they still love you. I'm not sure why it would make a delightful choice. Why do many teenagers rebel? (Homo/bisexuality is now a staple in the "rebellious" teenagers identity, you know. They hate their parents? They like girls and boys, mom and dad!)

I'm probably the most faithful son anyone could expect, and I've had a wonderful relationship with my parents, and never actively rebelled against them, because they treated me with respect, explained to me why I was wrong when I was wrong, and respected my own choices on what I wanted to do with my life. And yet I'm bisexual, and my mom's been totally okay with this.

Looks like you're just talking out your ass, again.

Something that's much harder to do while having anal sex, incidentally.

[Maudlnya]

I was told when I was young that I would be disowned if I ever came out as gay. When I came out it very nearly came true and years later I have not repaired familial relationships. I have been threatened with corrective rape before. One in four youth who come out will become homeless. Many people are killed or imprisoned worldwide for being gay. Please enlighten me as to why we would make this delightful choice.

Because many parents would rather not face the prospect of their child pledging their life to sin. I'm sorry you expect your family to "evolve and accept" you, and I'm sure they still love you. I'm not sure why it would make a delightful choice. Why do many teenagers rebel? (Homo/bisexuality is now a staple in the "rebellious" teenagers identity, you know. They hate their parents? They like girls and boys, mom and dad!)

Tl;dr

It seems you are too uptight, rebelious teens aren't homosexual teens

[Faerie Gatherers]

From what I gather of what I've read on the subject, it could be more than one thing or a combination of things. Like, there's more then one way it could happen. Fetal hormone differences generally account for feminine gay men and masculine gay women, along with some of the stuff OP says.

Heterosexual women often tend to find feminine males attractive at certain stages in their hormonal cycles and when they're pregnant, and vice versa for men. (Minus the pregnant thing, haha, men do have hormonal cycles.) This is determined by hormonal washes, basically. Like, we'll pick up on that regardless of how they present themselves. Homosexuality is taking that thing that helps for mating up to 11, in these cases. Since homosexual couples tend to help raise extra children the heterosexual couples have in most species with homosexuality, this ends up being a happy accident.

As I've said this doesn't cover every instance of homosexuality, but I find it interesting. <u<

Bisexuality, from what I gather, tends to be a combination of all that and our tendency to be social animals. Bonobo chimps have very social sexual behavior, and we do share a common ancestor with them.

[Eirenia]

- Negative view on homosexuality.

- Called a restrained homosexual by supposedly open-minded forum goers that support LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ rights.

If it makes you feel any better, we don't want you.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

- Negative view on homosexuality.

- Called a restrained homosexual by supposedly open-minded forum goers that support LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ rights.

Yes, we support treating equal human beings like equal human beings.

It is an absolutely bloody crazy idea, ain't it?

:eyebrow:

Stranger things have happened. You get female misogynists and gay Catholic men who hate themselves.

[Eirenia]

Homosexuality has a 52% incidence rate in male identical twins.

Therefore it's not 100% genetic and there cannot be a "gay gene" but very likely partially biological. Homosexual people have different responses to being startled by stimuli and neuroanatomical differences from their heterosexual counterparts, implying that it is very much related to a biological component.

The idea that it is a choice or an illness is across the board not supported by the AMA, American Psychological Association, nor the American Psychiatric assocation.

I think it has something to do with birth order and what you typed up there. But I don't think it's a choice and I also don't think you are born with it... It should be a mish mash of everthing really

I was responding in the first place to someone saying that there was an equal possibility of choice and mental illness influencing sexual orientation as there was genetic.

I believe that the incidence rate in families and identical twins suggests there is a genetic predisposition towards homosexuality. In my case I feel that my tendency to be interested in other girls was present by the time I was an elementary school student. Not sure how I feel about birth order theory but there has to be an environmental component and I'm willing to accept it as one of several possibilities.

[Krownsinburg]

I stopped reading his theory after he mentioned phermones being linked to certain genders.

It's a choice, it's not genetic.

Just accept it you Bio-freaks, no one is born Gay.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

I stopped reading his theory after he mentioned phermones being linked to certain genders.

It's a choice, it's not genetic.

Just accept it you Bio-freaks, no one is born Gay.

Source all of that.

[Earth and the Colonies]

Wouldn't it be most logical to think that sexual orientation is dependent on hormone levels in utero and further influenced by environmental factors after birth? If monozygotic twins who share the same genes don't always share the same sexual preferences, doesn't that disprove the "gay gene" entirely? And wouldn't a "gay gene" be bred out of existence with lightning speed, since homosexual pairs can't naturally breed?