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What is(are) the cause(s) of Homosexuality and Bisexuality?

Genetics (meaning the make up of the person excluding outside factors)
193
32%
Hormone changes in the womb
65
11%
Temperature changes in the womb
3
1%
Sexual Abuse (You know it had to be on here)
16
3%
Disease (You know it had to be on here)
29
5%
Other (please specify)
91
15%
Combination (please specify)
130
22%
I'm looking for a cop out and this is it
70
12%
 
Total votes : 597

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Postby Jagalonia » Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:59 pm

Norstal wrote:
The united imperial sector wrote:this is jusy my opinion but homosexuality is a mental illness i think theres a gay gene and it can be cured.

Which gene would that be? I looked everywhere mang

See the one in the top right over there? Yeah....That's the one.
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Postby Olthar » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:00 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Olthar wrote:Oh, yes. Clearly, evolution possesses incredible powers of foresight and designed itself so that a couple billion years later, human societies would advance far enough that reproduction was no longer a priority and created sexuality based around that future. :roll:


The fact that people choose to procreate implies that it is not a biological need. It is a powerful drive in many, true, but there are also evolutionary advantages to having a percentage of the population be gay (or at least not interested in producing children).

You obviously misunderstood the point of the sarcasm in my post as you are now talking about something that has absolutely no connection to what I was saying.
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Postby Salandriagado » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:00 pm

The united imperial sector wrote:this is jusy my opinion but homosexuality is a mental illness i think theres a gay gene and it can be cured.


You are wrong.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Postby Individuality-ness » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:01 pm

The united imperial sector wrote:this is jusy my opinion but homosexuality is a mental illness i think theres a gay gene and it can be cured.

I'm so glad to see that your opinion happens to not be supported by any reputable psychological association.
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Postby Salandriagado » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:02 pm

Olthar wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
The fact that people choose to procreate implies that it is not a biological need. It is a powerful drive in many, true, but there are also evolutionary advantages to having a percentage of the population be gay (or at least not interested in producing children).

You obviously misunderstood the point of the sarcasm in my post as you are now talking about something that has absolutely no connection to what I was saying.


No, I'm not. I am responding exactly to what you posted, rather than to what you wish you had posted. If you want me to respond to that, you'll have to actually post it.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Moon Cows » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:04 pm

Choice?
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Postby Kedri » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:05 pm

Well, I think it is that they were not exposed enough to the opposite sex and that some people find it easy to fall into the temptation.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:05 pm

Moon Cows wrote:Choice?

Don't be silly.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:05 pm

Kedri wrote:Well, I think it is that they were not exposed enough to the opposite sex and that some people find it easy to fall into the temptation.


Oh dear God, the wrong, it burns.

So you're saying that if you take a homosexual man and put him in a room full of naked women he will immediately ungay?

:palm:
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Postby Olthar » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:06 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Olthar wrote:You obviously misunderstood the point of the sarcasm in my post as you are now talking about something that has absolutely no connection to what I was saying.


No, I'm not. I am responding exactly to what you posted, rather than to what you wish you had posted. If you want me to respond to that, you'll have to actually post it.

Pro Tip: Trying to turn a debate into a pedantic argument about what the other person said is a waste of everyone's time, so I implore you not to be that petty.
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The All Powerful Republic of Edionia
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Postby The All Powerful Republic of Edionia » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:06 pm

could be genetic thing, or it could be a choice, or it could be a mental illness......who really knows

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Postby Moon Cows » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:07 pm

The All Powerful Republic of Edionia wrote:could be genetic thing, or it could be a choice, or it could be a mental illness......who really knows


Or some people just have a lack of self respect/control.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:07 pm

Moon Cows wrote:
The All Powerful Republic of Edionia wrote:could be genetic thing, or it could be a choice, or it could be a mental illness......who really knows


Or some people just have a lack of self respect/control.


Why do you think gay people are inferior?
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Postby Salandriagado » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:07 pm

Olthar wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
No, I'm not. I am responding exactly to what you posted, rather than to what you wish you had posted. If you want me to respond to that, you'll have to actually post it.

Pro Tip: Trying to turn a debate into a pedantic argument about what the other person said is a waste of everyone's time, so I implore you not to be that petty.


I am not being pedantic. I am responding to what you posted. I am not psychic, and cannot divine what you wish you had posted.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:08 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Moon Cows wrote:
Or some people just have a lack of self respect/control.


Why do you think gay people are inferior?

Jealousy.

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Postby Maudlnya » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:08 pm

seems to be a mish mash of things... But I'm putting my hand on Genetics and birth order.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:08 pm

Moon Cows wrote:
The All Powerful Republic of Edionia wrote:could be genetic thing, or it could be a choice, or it could be a mental illness......who really knows


Or some people just have a lack of self respect/control.

I'd love to know how being attracted to other dudes as well as women makes me have a lack of self-respect or self-control.
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Postby Olthar » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:08 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Olthar wrote:Pro Tip: Trying to turn a debate into a pedantic argument about what the other person said is a waste of everyone's time, so I implore you not to be that petty.


I am not being pedantic. I am responding to what you posted. I am not psychic, and cannot divine what you wish you had posted.

Welp, it seems you are that petty. I'm sorry. We're going to have to end this now. I don't feel like wasting my time this afternoon.
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Postby Kedri » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:09 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Kedri wrote:Well, I think it is that they were not exposed enough to the opposite sex and that some people find it easy to fall into the temptation.


Oh dear God, the wrong, it burns.

So you're saying that if you take a homosexual man and put him in a room full of naked women he will immediately ungay?

:palm:


I was thinking about those prisons where several guys share the same cell
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Postby Eirenia » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:09 pm

Moon Cows wrote:Choice?


I was told when I was young that I would be disowned if I ever came out as gay. When I came out it very nearly came true and years later I have not repaired familial relationships. I have been threatened with corrective rape before. One in four youth who come out will become homeless. Many people are killed or imprisoned worldwide for being gay. Please enlighten me as to why we would make this delightful choice.
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Postby Moon Cows » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:09 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Moon Cows wrote:
Or some people just have a lack of self respect/control.


Why do you think gay people are inferior?


I don't think that homosexuals are inferior. I just think they most like have some kind of perversion that inspires lust for the same sex, and those who act on it don't have self control.
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Postby Eirenia » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:10 pm

Kedri wrote:Well, I think it is that they were not exposed enough to the opposite sex and that some people find it easy to fall into the temptation.


:roll:

Which would account for all those married people who come out, yeah? no?
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she/her/hers pronouns
Economic Left/Right: -6.88, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15
cosmopolitan social democrat
yes to: pro-choice, right to die, comprehensive sex education, social security/welfare, affirmative action, animal welfare, evolution, sex positivity, body positivity, queer rights in any form
no to: assimilationism, death penalty, pro-lifers, religious fundamentalism, abstinence-only, drone warfare, war on terror, corporate greed, censorship, TSA, anyone who calls herself/himself an "ally"
fence-sitting: israel/palestine, electoral college, gun control, capitalism, probably other things

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:10 pm

Kedri wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Oh dear God, the wrong, it burns.

So you're saying that if you take a homosexual man and put him in a room full of naked women he will immediately ungay?

:palm:


I was thinking about those prisons where several guys share the same cell


There's a difference between wanting something to put your penis in and taking what's available, and being gay.

Moon Cows wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Why do you think gay people are inferior?


I don't think that homosexuals are inferior. I just think they most like have some kind of perversion that inspires lust for the same sex, and those who act on it don't have self control.


I...wut...even...how...wut?

What the hell are you basing that on?
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Postby Eirenia » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:10 pm

The All Powerful Republic of Edionia wrote:could be genetic thing, or it could be a choice, or it could be a mental illness......who really knows


Um, scientists, doctors, psychologists, psychiatrists, and actual gay people would know. Thanks.
look i have views and opinions
radical queer, feminist, liberal, agnostic non-practicing jew, american
she/her/hers pronouns
Economic Left/Right: -6.88, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15
cosmopolitan social democrat
yes to: pro-choice, right to die, comprehensive sex education, social security/welfare, affirmative action, animal welfare, evolution, sex positivity, body positivity, queer rights in any form
no to: assimilationism, death penalty, pro-lifers, religious fundamentalism, abstinence-only, drone warfare, war on terror, corporate greed, censorship, TSA, anyone who calls herself/himself an "ally"
fence-sitting: israel/palestine, electoral college, gun control, capitalism, probably other things

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:11 pm

Moon Cows wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Why do you think gay people are inferior?


I don't think that homosexuals are inferior. I just think they most like have some kind of perversion that inspires lust for the same sex, and those who act on it don't have self control.

I don't know, some people enjoy control in the bedroom.

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