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What is(are) the cause(s) of Homosexuality and Bisexuality?

Genetics (meaning the make up of the person excluding outside factors)
193
32%
Hormone changes in the womb
65
11%
Temperature changes in the womb
3
1%
Sexual Abuse (You know it had to be on here)
16
3%
Disease (You know it had to be on here)
29
5%
Other (please specify)
91
15%
Combination (please specify)
130
22%
I'm looking for a cop out and this is it
70
12%
 
Total votes : 597

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Postby Menassa » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:25 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Menassa wrote:Christians tell me a lot: "You've debunked this prophecy but we have 300!"

300x0 is still 0

Note that whenever those lists are taken out, it's in response to someone saying that homosexuality isn't natural. It's not an appeal to nature, it's showing someone that homosexuality is, in fact, natural.

Note, by saying this the person may be trying to convey: "It's not bad to be Homosexual because it is natural."

Also note: I support Homosexuality.
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Postby Oneracon » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:26 pm

Menassa wrote:
Kinktopia wrote:"Homosexuality isn't natural."
Hilarious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual ... in_animals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_an ... l_behavior

Is 1500 species enough for you?

Christians tell me a lot: "You've debunked this prophecy but we have 300!"

300x0 is still 0


Again, I agree that it shouldn't be used to open a debate on LGBT rights.

The point is not saying it is natural and therefore good, the point is just to say it is natural and debunk the belief that same-sex behaviour is restricted to humans who choose that lifestyle (for whatever reason)
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Postby Menassa » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:26 pm

Kinktopia wrote:
Menassa wrote:Christians tell me a lot: "You've debunked this prophecy but we have 300!"

300x0 is still 0


http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
I was simply removing doubt that homosexuality has been observed in nature. If somebody was not arguing that it has not, that is my mistake.

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Postby Menassa » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:26 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Menassa wrote:Christians tell me a lot: "You've debunked this prophecy but we have 300!"

300x0 is still 0


Again, I agree that it shouldn't be used to open a debate on LGBT rights.

The point is not saying it is natural and therefore good, the point is just to say it is natural and debunk the belief that same-sex behaviour is restricted to humans who choose that lifestyle (for whatever reason)

Right....
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:29 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Menassa wrote:Christians tell me a lot: "You've debunked this prophecy but we have 300!"

300x0 is still 0


Again, I agree that it shouldn't be used to open a debate on LGBT rights.

The point is not saying it is natural and therefore good, the point is just to say it is natural and debunk the belief that same-sex behaviour is restricted to humans who choose that lifestyle (for whatever reason)

Exactly! Now, can we get back to the original question? If it's natural, then how does it happen?
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Postby Menassa » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:30 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Again, I agree that it shouldn't be used to open a debate on LGBT rights.

The point is not saying it is natural and therefore good, the point is just to say it is natural and debunk the belief that same-sex behaviour is restricted to humans who choose that lifestyle (for whatever reason)

Exactly! Now, can we get back to the original question? If it's natural, then how does it happen?

Magic.....
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Postby Olthar » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:31 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Again, I agree that it shouldn't be used to open a debate on LGBT rights.

The point is not saying it is natural and therefore good, the point is just to say it is natural and debunk the belief that same-sex behaviour is restricted to humans who choose that lifestyle (for whatever reason)

Exactly! Now, can we get back to the original question? If it's natural, then how does it happen?

Gay sex releases gaydiation into the atmosphere which is harmful to pregnant women and can make developing fetuses become gay. *nods*
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Postby Oneracon » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:31 pm

Menassa wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Exactly! Now, can we get back to the original question? If it's natural, then how does it happen?

Magic.....


Every time two men kiss, a fairy goes and sprinkles magical gay dust on a newborn baby. That's how the gay spreads.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:32 pm

Menassa wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Exactly! Now, can we get back to the original question? If it's natural, then how does it happen?

Magic.....

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Postby Kinky Vikings » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:32 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Again, I agree that it shouldn't be used to open a debate on LGBT rights.

The point is not saying it is natural and therefore good, the point is just to say it is natural and debunk the belief that same-sex behaviour is restricted to humans who choose that lifestyle (for whatever reason)

Exactly! Now, can we get back to the original question? If it's natural, then how does it happen?


Because Odin did not twist their nipples hard enough when they were born. The farther they are twisted, the more of a manly Viking you are.
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Postby Oneracon » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:32 pm

Olthar wrote:Gay sex releases gaydiation into the atmosphere which is harmful to pregnant women and can make developing fetuses become gay. *nods*


Maybe the fairy dust I mentioned is actually the gaydioactive fallout?
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Postby Menassa » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:33 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Menassa wrote:Magic.....

I am in no mood for sarcasm.

Sarcasm doesn't work on mood... also.... I wan't being sarcastic.

Oneracon wrote:
Menassa wrote:Magic.....


Every time two men kiss, a fairy goes and sprinkles magical gay dust on a newborn baby. That's how the gay spreads.

The Gairys! That's how.
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Postby Esternial » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:33 pm

Kinky Vikings wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Exactly! Now, can we get back to the original question? If it's natural, then how does it happen?


Because Odin did not twist their nipples hard enough when they were born. The farther you twist them, the more of a manly Viking you are.

Brilliant :lol2:

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Postby Menassa » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:34 pm

Olthar wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Exactly! Now, can we get back to the original question? If it's natural, then how does it happen?

Gay sex releases gaydiation into the atmosphere which is harmful to pregnant women and can make developing fetuses become gay. *nods*

That's why I always have my Gayger counter on me.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:35 pm

Esternial wrote:
Kinky Vikings wrote:

Because Odin did not twist their nipples hard enough when they were born. The farther you twist them, the more of a manly Viking you are.

Brilliant :lol2:

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Postby Olthar » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:37 pm

Kinky Vikings wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Exactly! Now, can we get back to the original question? If it's natural, then how does it happen?


Because Odin did not twist their nipples hard enough when they were born. The farther they are twisted, the more of a manly Viking you are.

:lol:

Menassa wrote:
Olthar wrote:Gay sex releases gaydiation into the atmosphere which is harmful to pregnant women and can make developing fetuses become gay. *nods*

That's why I always have my Gayger counter on me.

Indeed. I never leave home without it.
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Postby Kinky Vikings » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:49 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Esternial wrote:Brilliant :lol2:

Robert Oberg, is that you?


No, but he is my king.

Gayger counters? I have one too!
....hmm, seems I'm getting a very high reading from this "Arcturus Novus" guy.

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Postby Xathranaar » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:33 pm

Menassa wrote:
Xathranaar wrote:There are people, who actually exist, who say that homosexuality is wrong because it is "unnatural." A lot of them in fact.

These people are clearly morons, but as it happens they're factually incorrect morons as well. And I like to point this out to them.

I am in no way saying those people are right, I am saying that the premise that some (potentially moronic) people make is: "Because animals do it, therefore it implies it's okay."

Eating pig is natural, people eat certain foods to survive, yet half of the bible forbids it..... the bible Clearly doesn't forbid things because they are: "Unnatural."

Indeed. My favorite response the the "unnatural" argument is to insist that my opponent cease wearing clothes.

Note: this does not work as well on nudists.
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Postby Grenartia » Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:24 am

Menassa wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Source? And don't give "the Bible", because I've already shown how it doesn't condemn homosexuality (and, by extension, bisexuality).

After doing that, then show me where your God's opinion shoudl be forced onto everybody else.

As in the New Testament.... that Christians should follow.... that doesn't condemn homosexuality right?

While the Old (which Christians should not be following in the first place) does.


Doesn't Leviticus use the same word for 'abomination' in reference to homosexuality that it does for eating lobsters?

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Menassa wrote:As in the New Testament.... that Christians should follow.... that doesn't condemn homosexuality right?

While the Old (which Christians should not be following in the first place) does.


No, it's somewhere in Romans too. But that's a the "letter" written by Paul, who may have just been a raging homophobe.

Jesus himself never said anything about homosexuality to my knowledge.


Or, Paul could've been talking about something else entirely, and somebody just mistranslated him. Arsenokoitai (the Greek word Paul uses that has been translated as 'homosexuals') could very well actually be a reference to temple prostitution/pedophila.
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Postby Northern Dominus » Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:40 am

Grenartia wrote:
Menassa wrote:As in the New Testament.... that Christians should follow.... that doesn't condemn homosexuality right?

While the Old (which Christians should not be following in the first place) does.


Doesn't Leviticus use the same word for 'abomination' in reference to homosexuality that it does for eating lobsters?

Oneracon wrote:
No, it's somewhere in Romans too. But that's a the "letter" written by Paul, who may have just been a raging homophobe.

Jesus himself never said anything about homosexuality to my knowledge.


Or, Paul could've been talking about something else entirely, and somebody just mistranslated him. Arsenokoitai (the Greek word Paul uses that has been translated as 'homosexuals') could very well actually be a reference to temple prostitution/pedophila.
Gasp... you meant to tell me there might be a bit of historical bias when it comes to the wording of the bible? And that maybe, over time, the translations have been bastardized over and over to suit the needs and views of whomever was writing it?

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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:53 am

Olthar wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Exactly! Now, can we get back to the original question? If it's natural, then how does it happen?

Gay sex releases gaydiation into the atmosphere which is harmful to pregnant women and can make developing fetuses become gay. *nods*


A plot idea for the next Fallout game perhaps?

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Postby Volnotova » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:08 am

Menassa wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Source? And don't give "the Bible", because I've already shown how it doesn't condemn homosexuality (and, by extension, bisexuality).

After doing that, then show me where your God's opinion shoudl be forced onto everybody else.

As in the New Testament.... that Christians should follow.... that doesn't condemn homosexuality right?

While the Old (which Christians should not be following in the first place) does.


It doesn't condemn homosexuality (per se).

(Assuming we are talking about Lev. 18:22 and 20:13 here)
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Postby Menassa » Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:18 am

Volnotova wrote:
Menassa wrote:As in the New Testament.... that Christians should follow.... that doesn't condemn homosexuality right?

While the Old (which Christians should not be following in the first place) does.


It doesn't condemn homosexuality (per se).

(Assuming we are talking about Lev. 18:22 and 20:13 here)

Yes it does, but you have to keep in mind that that whole collection of 24 books belongs to the Jews... and Christians should not be throwing it in your face.
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Postby Volnotova » Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:23 am

Menassa wrote:
Volnotova wrote:
It doesn't condemn homosexuality (per se).

(Assuming we are talking about Lev. 18:22 and 20:13 here)

Yes it does, but you have to keep in mind that that whole collection of 24 books belongs to the Jews... and Christians should not be throwing it in your face.


Only if you interpret it in that way.

In a literal sence it doesn't outright condemn homosexuality.
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Postby Bottle » Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:32 am

Northern Dominus wrote:Okay, well since you have all these facts on your side regardless of possibility otherwise, answer me this; why does conversion therapy result in rampant depression and too often, suicide?

Because "deconversion therapy" is just a systematic form of abuse, and abuse frequently leads to depression and suicide?

Northern Dominus wrote:If the notion of "choice" is in any way correct then human brains should be amicable to that change. A little depression at losing something maybe, but not the deep deep abysmal depression and certainly not a personal crisis that can only be solved through the taking of ones life.

Are you seriously not reading a single word I posted? Why are you still harping on this "choice" thing?

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Why yes, quite likely! And, indeed, precisely what I said! Many times! With many words! The thing you seem to be having trouble with is that "something so deeply rooted" does not equate to "something coded at the DNA level."
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