Cause of Homosexuality and Bisexuality

[Menassa]

Calevah I am.

That's "queen" in Hebrew, right?

Female Dog.

Malcah would be queen... Google translate?

It doesn't work for Biblical Hebrew.

[Oneracon]

That's "queen" in Hebrew, right?

Female Dog.

Malcah would be queen... Google translate?

It doesn't work for Biblical Hebrew.

Yeah, sorry, I just tried the phonetic typing. It was worth a shot, right?

[Menassa]

Female Dog.

Malcah would be queen... Google translate?

It doesn't work for Biblical Hebrew.

Yeah, sorry, I just tried the phonetic typing. It was worth a shot, right?

Not for Biblical Hebrew.

[Olthar]

That's "queen" in Hebrew, right?

Female Dog.

Malcah would be queen... Google translate?

It doesn't work for Biblical Hebrew.

Yeah, I tried using Google Translate. It detected Spanish and didn't actually translate anything.

[Menassa]

Female Dog.

Malcah would be queen... Google translate?

It doesn't work for Biblical Hebrew.

Yeah, I tried using Google Translate. It detected Spanish and didn't actually translate anything.

Mamzerim

[Olthar]

Yeah, I tried using Google Translate. It detected Spanish and didn't actually translate anything.

Mamzerim

*smiles and nods*

[Menassa]

Mamzerim

*smiles and nods*

Aside from this, I believe one if trying to understand things from a Biblical perspective should learn Hebrew.

[Olthar]

*smiles and nods*

Aside from this, I believe one if trying to understand things from a Biblical perspective should learn Hebrew.

Well, I don't much care about learning to understand things from a Biblical perspective. I would rather study other things.

[Menassa]

Aside from this, I believe one if trying to understand things from a Biblical perspective should learn Hebrew.

Well, I don't much care about learning to understand things from a Biblical perspective. I would rather study other things.

That's also a possibility... but for debates and logical understand it's a great assistance.

[Trustopia]

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[Olthar]

Well, I don't much care about learning to understand things from a Biblical perspective. I would rather study other things.

That's also a possibility... but for debates and logical understand it's a great assistance.

I stopped caring about religious debates when I stopped being an arrogant anti-theist. Now, I'm just too apathetic about the whole thing to bother.

[Menassa]

That's also a possibility... but for debates and logical understand it's a great assistance.

I stopped caring about religious debates when I stopped being an arrogant anti-theist. Now, I'm just too apathetic about the whole thing to bother.

Yes, but even the most fervent Anti-Theist can be a tad uneducated.

[Oneracon]

That's also a possibility... but for debates and logical understand it's a great assistance.

I stopped caring about religious debates when I stopped being an arrogant anti-theist. Now, I'm just too apathetic about the whole thing to bother.

The only time my strong anti-theist tendencies surface is when religious groups try to interfere with the rights of other people. That's happening less and less in Canada, so it's not much of an issue.

[Menassa]

I stopped caring about religious debates when I stopped being an arrogant anti-theist. Now, I'm just too apathetic about the whole thing to bother.

The only time my strong anti-theist tendencies surface is when religious groups try to interfere with the rights of other people. That's happening less and less in Canada, so it's not much of an issue.

I don't believe that religious groups (especially Christian) should try and restrict the rights of homosexuals based off the old Testament.

[Oneracon]

The only time my strong anti-theist tendencies surface is when religious groups try to interfere with the rights of other people. That's happening less and less in Canada, so it's not much of an issue.

I don't believe that religious groups (especially Christian) should try and restrict the rights of homosexuals based off the old Testament.

Now if only you could tell them that...

But like I said, happening less and less. Full LGBT equality was achieved, "Every individual is equal before and under the law", and whatnot.

[Menassa]

I don't believe that religious groups (especially Christian) should try and restrict the rights of homosexuals based off the old Testament.

Now if only you could tell them that...

But like I said, happening less and less. Full LGBT equality was achieved, "Every individual is equal before and under the law", and whatnot.

Yes, if only they would take the time to listen.

[Olthar]

I stopped caring about religious debates when I stopped being an arrogant anti-theist. Now, I'm just too apathetic about the whole thing to bother.

Yes, but even the most fervent Anti-Theist can be a tad uneducated.

Oh, not doubting that. There's plenty I don't know. I just don't care anymore.

[Menassa]

Yes, but even the most fervent Anti-Theist can be a tad uneducated.

Oh, not doubting that. There's plenty I don't know. I just don't care anymore.

Apathy breeds ignorance on many an occasion.

[Grenartia]

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You actually think that sexual abuse causes homosexuality?

[Olthar]

Oh, not doubting that. There's plenty I don't know. I just don't care anymore.

Apathy breeds ignorance on many an occasion.

So? I don't live my life by religion, and I don't judge others based on religion. I also possess no scholarly curiosity about religion. So, it doesn't really matter one bit whether or not I'm ignorant of it.

[Oneracon]

1, 2, and 4

You actually think that sexual abuse causes homosexuality?

If anything, I would say it would push people towards asexuality

[Northern Dominus]

I stopped caring about religious debates when I stopped being an arrogant anti-theist. Now, I'm just too apathetic about the whole thing to bother.

Yes, but even the most fervent Anti-Theist can be a tad uneducated.

How so? Because in spite of the vitriol it certainly seems like the "anti-theists" do their homework a lot more thoroughly than "theists do".

Case in point are the so-called "clobber" passages. The second Levicticus is brought up it's mentioned that the time and place of the writing of that particular collection of books was set during a time when the tribe of Levi was bordered by "pagan" tribes that had vastly dfiferent practices than the Levites did, so in order to differentiate their tribe as more "holy". One of the practices that Levi forbade were in fact fertilitiy rites, performed at specific temples with young men and women, and since not every young Caananite was married off right away, temples where fertility rites were performed usually had access to male and female escorts to fulfill the practice.
The Levites, seeing how fun this ritual was and how quickly they could lose their best and brightest to those "pagan" tribes, quickly codified their law and made it a moral sin to partake in those rituals, regardless of gender.

This is the problem with the purely theological perspective. It requires deliberate ignorance in order to be believed.

[Arkinesia]

I stopped caring about religious debates when I stopped being an arrogant anti-theist. Now, I'm just too apathetic about the whole thing to bother.

Yes, but even the most fervent Anti-Theist can be a tad uneducated.

Usually, fervent anti-theists are horrifically uneducated.

I remember Richard Dawkins having some quote about how he doesn't need theology just like he doesn't need leprechology to disprove the existence of leprechauns. However, I take serious issue with his statement on a single, simple count: the philosophical concepts driving a higher power are a lot more fundamental to the human psyche to just brusquely push away.

It seems like whenever I get into a debate with a fervent anti-theist on the existence specifically of the Christian God, he is rarely aware of a lot in terms of the study of hermeneutics, rudimentary theology, and indeed sometimes unaware of things that are actually in the Bible. I find these sorts of debates incredibly aggravating, probably in the same way that a medical student gets upset with a layman when the layman tries to prove some kind of strange homeopathic hypothesis. But maybe that just comes with the territory of having studied the Bible in an academic setting for three years. It makes such opposition come off as pretty weak.

I was going somewhere else with this but oh well.

[Conserative Morality]

Usually, fervent anti-theists are horrifically uneducated.

I remember Richard Dawkins having some quote about how he doesn't need theology just like he doesn't need leprechology to disprove the existence of leprechauns. However, I take serious issue with his statement on a single, simple count: the philosophical concepts driving a higher power are a lot more fundamental to the human psyche to just brusquely push away.

It seems like whenever I get into a debate with a fervent anti-theist on the existence specifically of the Christian God, he is rarely aware of a lot in terms of the study of hermeneutics, rudimentary theology, and indeed sometimes unaware of things that are actually in the Bible. I find these sorts of debates incredibly aggravating, probably in the same way that a medical student gets upset with a layman when the layman tries to prove some kind of strange homeopathic hypothesis. But maybe that just comes with the territory of having studied the Bible in an academic setting for three years. It makes such opposition come off as pretty weak.

I was going somewhere else with this but oh well.

I find the opposite situation more often: theists are rarely aware of the specifics of their own religions.

[Choronzon]

Usually, fervent anti-theists are horrifically uneducated.

By "usually" I assume you mean "rarely, but I'm pissy so here goes nothing."

I remember Richard Dawkins

Because when I think about people who have a Doctorate in Science from Oxford, I think uneducated.

having some quote about how he doesn't need theology just like he doesn't need leprechology to disprove the existence of leprechauns. However, I take serious issue with his statement on a single, simple count: the philosophical concepts driving a higher power are a lot more fundamental to the human psyche to just brusquely push away.

You don't need to know theology to reject religion.

It seems like whenever I get into a debate with a fervent anti-theist on the existence specifically of the Christian God, he is rarely aware of a lot in terms of the study of hermeneutics, rudimentary theology, and indeed sometimes unaware of things that are actually in the Bible. I find these sorts of debates incredibly aggravating, probably in the same way that a medical student gets upset with a layman when the layman tries to prove some kind of strange homeopathic hypothesis.

You don't have to understand any of that shit to reject the Bible

You could look at how the doctrine of Christianity came to exist (via shadey back room political deals), look at all the shit the Bible claims to have knowledge of that we know now is bullshit (the creation story, Pi = 3) and you could be someone who reads through all their moral prescriptions and rejects it all as the life hating, woman hating, gay hating absurdity that it is.

All without ever having taken a theology course.

But maybe that just comes with the territory of having studied the Bible in an academic setting for three years. It makes such opposition come off as pretty weak.

Or you've just been brainwashed, and are pissy that the opposition rarely has an interest in talking about what you want to talk about because its irrelevant to their point.