Cause of Homosexuality and Bisexuality

[Frisivisia]

He's not a bigot, he just thinks gays are icky freaks who should remain second class citizens.

"I don't hate gays, I just think they're beneath me."

. . .

Wait.

Maybe he likes having gays "beneath" him. Wouldn't be the first time...

[Olthar]

"I don't hate gays, I just think they're beneath me."

. . .

Wait.

Maybe he likes having gays "beneath" him. Wouldn't be the first time...

HA!

[Individuality-ness]

"I don't hate gays, I just think they're beneath me."

. . .

Wait.

Maybe he likes having gays "beneath" him. Wouldn't be the first time...

[Northern Dominus]

"I don't hate gays, I just think they're beneath me."

. . .

Wait.

Maybe he likes having gays "beneath" him. Wouldn't be the first time...

I'd like to see how "wide stance" gets worked into an excuse out of THAT one...

[Divair]

"I don't hate gays, I just think they're beneath me."

. . .

Wait.

Maybe he likes having gays "beneath" him. Wouldn't be the first time...

ಠ_ಠ

[Volnotova]

"I don't hate gays, I just think they're beneath me."

. . .

Wait.

Maybe he likes having gays "beneath" him. Wouldn't be the first time...

[Grenartia]

No you're not.

I don't hate gayblack people, I just view them as sexually deviant and strange and their behavior should not be encouragedinherently inferior to white people.

I don't believe we need to arrest them or hurt them though. I can get along with them as long as I ignore the fact they are gayblack. I got along well with a flamingblack co-worker. I just ignored the fact he was gayblack (as best as I could) and talked to him about normal subjects. Ignoring that part of their lifestyleappearance so you can get along is an example of tolerance.

I replaced every reference to gay people with a reference to black people to illustrate to you how self-contradictory your statement was.

Also, I'd appreciate a response to: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=219762&p=12589974#p12589974

[BushSucks-istan]

Even though the numbers on the idiotic options are small, it saddens me that there are people in this world who are simply too deluded to accept people for who they are.

Very, very sad.

[Libertadia]

Hello NS. I am here because I recently found an article (lost it now) that suggested that there was a correlation between the temperature and hormones in the womb or something like that and homosexuality. This got me thinking as to the cause(s) of Homosexuality. My theory is it is all genetics.

I have met people who say that "it just is" and frankly I do not accept that line of argument as it has no backing in facts or evidence. From what I remember from Biology, a simple dumbed down version that is, is that one gender releases pheromones which the other gender detects and is attracted to. There is a difference in pheromone detection and production from male to female and inside the genders as well (explaining why you'd be attracted to one girl and not another). That is at least the way it was explained to me. Now basing off what my Bio teacher told me, I conclude that for someone to be Homosexual, they must detect the same sets of pheromones as opposed to just the opposite set. This would explain bisexuality as well, a person in that case detects both sets of pheromones. Well the next logical question is why. Why do homosexuals and bisexuals have this different detection system. Well the way I look at it is the brain. The brain is the center of everything and therefore it would be logical to assume that this attraction is different because the brains between a homosexual, bisexual, and heterosexual person are different. What would explain their brains being different in the sense of attraction? their construction, and their construction was in their mother's womb according to the genetic blueprint. This would also explain homosexual behavior in other species as well. Therefore I conclude that the cause of homosexuality must be genetics or something else that connects to and can disrupt the construction of the brain. An answer for the question of "why is it so widespread then" could be simply stated that homosexuals concealed their desires for those of their own gender and had children causing their genes and the mutation to pass on to the children, in which case the gene could go unnoticed and or repressed for generations.

That is my view on the cause of homosexuality and bisexuality, I am curious as to what the opinions of those on NS are.

Well, your pheromones theory it's interesting, but I think being receptive to pheromones has nothing to do with genetics, but with chemical perception, which is the result of conditioning after birth. Or maybe being gay or straight is as simple as random neurological reactions that activate different brain areas depending of the individual, giving rise to different sexual orientations.

But, leaving all the scientific verbiage behind, perhaps every individual secretly is a bisexual. Different conditioning, moral views and teachings during childhood and early puberty just force our brain to choose unconsciously our sexual orientation, and our perception towards males and females changes based on this. The fact that most of the western world has accepted different orientations have altered that conditioning, previously puritan, now more liberal. And maybe that's the reason why homosexuality is so widespread, right?

So we may asume, hypothetically, that we are all bisexual. Somehow we already knew that - studies and surveys have proven that individuals feel sexually attracted towards their same sex at some point of their life, but at the same time they declare themselves to be openly straight. Altered states of consciousness (drunk, drugged...) also reveal underhand homosexual tendencies within straight individuals - tendencies that, while conscious and inhibited, are repressed. It's the same for gay people - they can show straight behaviour in the same situations, althought they may assure their homosexual orientation.

At the time of ancient civilizations such as Greece and Rome, bisexualism was something usual and natural, whilst been exclusively gay or straight was considered "weird". Within the military, soldiers thought of homosexual relationships as a logic way to show the friendship and comradeship they shared with each others. Achilles, Alexander the Great, Caesar, Nero, Hadrian... All of them had straight and gay relationships, not to mention the popularity of eunuchs within Persian and Chinese Imperial Courts.

I believe sexual orientation has to do with religious tendencies, societal norm, historical time and cultural context more than with science or genetics.

[Northern Dominus]

Hello NS. I am here because I recently found an article (lost it now) that suggested that there was a correlation between the temperature and hormones in the womb or something like that and homosexuality. This got me thinking as to the cause(s) of Homosexuality. My theory is it is all genetics.

I have met people who say that "it just is" and frankly I do not accept that line of argument as it has no backing in facts or evidence. From what I remember from Biology, a simple dumbed down version that is, is that one gender releases pheromones which the other gender detects and is attracted to. There is a difference in pheromone detection and production from male to female and inside the genders as well (explaining why you'd be attracted to one girl and not another). That is at least the way it was explained to me. Now basing off what my Bio teacher told me, I conclude that for someone to be Homosexual, they must detect the same sets of pheromones as opposed to just the opposite set. This would explain bisexuality as well, a person in that case detects both sets of pheromones. Well the next logical question is why. Why do homosexuals and bisexuals have this different detection system. Well the way I look at it is the brain. The brain is the center of everything and therefore it would be logical to assume that this attraction is different because the brains between a homosexual, bisexual, and heterosexual person are different. What would explain their brains being different in the sense of attraction? their construction, and their construction was in their mother's womb according to the genetic blueprint. This would also explain homosexual behavior in other species as well. Therefore I conclude that the cause of homosexuality must be genetics or something else that connects to and can disrupt the construction of the brain. An answer for the question of "why is it so widespread then" could be simply stated that homosexuals concealed their desires for those of their own gender and had children causing their genes and the mutation to pass on to the children, in which case the gene could go unnoticed and or repressed for generations.

That is my view on the cause of homosexuality and bisexuality, I am curious as to what the opinions of those on NS are.

Well, your pheromones theory it's interesting, but I think being receptive to pheromones has nothing to do with genetics, but with chemical perception, which is the result of conditioning after birth. Or maybe being gay or straight is as simple as random neurological reactions that activate different brain areas depending of the individual, giving rise to different sexual orientations.

But, leaving all the scientific verbiage behind, perhaps every individual secretly is a bisexual. Different conditioning, moral views and teachings during childhood and early puberty just force our brain to choose unconsciously our sexual orientation, and our perception towards males and females changes based on this. The fact that most of the western world has accepted different orientations have altered that conditioning, previously puritan, now more liberal. And maybe that's the reason why homosexuality is so widespread, right?

So we may asume, hypothetically, that we are all bisexual. Somehow we already knew that - studies and surveys have proven that individuals feel sexually attracted towards their same sex at some point of their life, but at the same time they declare themselves to be openly straight. Altered states of consciousness (drunk, drugged...) also reveal underhand homosexual tendencies within straight individuals - tendencies that, while conscious and inhibited, are repressed. It's the same for gay people - they can show straight behaviour in the same situations, althought they may assure their homosexual orientation.

At the time of ancient civilizations such as Greece and Rome, bisexualism was something usual and natural, whilst been exclusively gay or straight was considered "weird". Within the military, soldiers thought of homosexual relationships as a logic way to show the friendship and comradeship they shared with each others. Achilles, Alexander the Great, Caesar, Nero, Hadrian... All of them had straight and gay relationships, not to mention the popularity of eunuchs within Persian and Chinese Imperial Courts.

I believe sexual orientation has to do with religious tendencies, societal norm, historical time and cultural context more than with science or genetics.

So TL;DR version is "it's a choice"... again.

Great, so all of those quacks peddling conversion therapy are somehow validated, and people comittting suicide because their sexuality screws with the brainwashing they've been subjected to and it leaves them at a faux moral crossroads that results in the taking of their own lives is somehow invalidated?

Yeah, not buying it without some sort of accredited evidence to back it up.

[Menassa]

No you're not.

I don't hate gay people, I just view them as sexually deviant and strange and their behavior should not be encouraged.

I don't believe we need to arrest them or hurt them though. I can get along with them as long as I ignore the fact they are gay. I got along well with a flaming co-worker. I just ignored the fact he was gay (as best as I could) and talked to him about normal subjects. Ignoring that part of their lifestyle so you can get along is an example of tolerance.

The question becomes.... why do you dislike homosexuals? Because of the Old Testament.... well that book is not for you at all, that's like assorted half-naked tribals telling the Congress how to read the constitution... if you want to hear what the Bible is all about, hear it from a Jew.

[Oneracon]

No you're not.

I don't hate gay people, I just view them as sexually deviant and strange and their behavior should not be encouraged.

I don't believe we need to arrest them or hurt them though. I can get along with them as long as I ignore the fact they are gay. I got along well with a flaming co-worker. I just ignored the fact he was gay (as best as I could) and talked to him about normal subjects. Ignoring that part of their lifestyle so you can get along is an example of tolerance.

So basically, gay people are fine as long as they hide the fact that they're gay?

Regardless of your claimed lack of hatred for gay people, advocating for unhealthy repression of personal identity is never positive.

And acting like "bros"? When I take my boyfriend out on a date, it is a date not a night at a sports bar. So yes, I will hold his hand, whisper sweet things to him, and give him a kiss if I feel so inclined.

[Menassa]

I don't hate gay people, I just view them as sexually deviant and strange and their behavior should not be encouraged.

I don't believe we need to arrest them or hurt them though. I can get along with them as long as I ignore the fact they are gay. I got along well with a flaming co-worker. I just ignored the fact he was gay (as best as I could) and talked to him about normal subjects. Ignoring that part of their lifestyle so you can get along is an example of tolerance.

So basically, gay people are fine as long as they hide the fact that they're gay?

Regardless of your claimed lack of hatred for gay people, advocating for unhealthy repression of personal identity is never positive.

And acting like "bros"? When I take my boyfriend out on a date, it is a date not a night at a sports bar. So yes, I will hold his hand, whisper sweet things to him, and give him a kiss if I feel so inclined.

But that's so..... gay.

[Oneracon]

So basically, gay people are fine as long as they hide the fact that they're gay?

Regardless of your claimed lack of hatred for gay people, advocating for unhealthy repression of personal identity is never positive.

And acting like "bros"? When I take my boyfriend out on a date, it is a date not a night at a sports bar. So yes, I will hold his hand, whisper sweet things to him, and give him a kiss if I feel so inclined.

But that's so..... gay.

I know, it's awesome

[Menassa]

But that's so..... gay.

I know, it's awesome

And.... Gay.

[Oneracon]

I know, it's awesome

And.... Gay.

Yeah, like I said: awesome.

[Menassa]

And.... Gay.

Yeah, like I said: awesome.

Gay.

[Oneracon]

Yeah, like I said: awesome.

Gay.

We're just saying the same thing here.

[Menassa]

Gay.

We're just saying the same thing here.

Maybe.... Homosexual?

[Olthar]

We're just saying the same thing here.

Maybe.... Homosexual?

FABULOUS!

[Menassa]

Maybe.... Homosexual?

FABULOUS!

Calevah I am.

[Olthar]

FABULOUS!

Calevah I am.

Huh?

[Menassa]

Calevah I am.

Huh?

Calev=Dog
Calevah=Female Dog.

Calevah I'm fabulous.

[Oneracon]

FABULOUS!

Calevah I am.

That's "queen" in Hebrew, right?

[Olthar]

Huh?

Calev=Dog
Calevah=Female Dog.

Calevah I'm fabulous.

Ah.