Obama speaks on changes to US gun laws

[Wikkiwallana]

May I ask a slightly controversial question?
Why exactly is it that we treat the Bill of Rights as if they were gospel?
Why is it that we always use the Bill of Rights and the Founding Fathers as its own argument?

The Founding Fathers lived 200 years ago in a vastly different world of differing values and circumstances, why should what they say matter?
They were men, not gods, men.
On this issue I'm going to say right now that the 2nd Amendment is wrong.

Then the entirety of America, as an entity is wrong.
The Bill of Rights and the Constitution defines every aspect of your country.

To declare it forfeit and start again is wut and impossible.

He didn't say the entire Constitution, he said "the 2nd Amendment". Despite what the NRA may have lead you to believe, there is more to the Constitution than the 2nd Amendment, much more. For example, this bit:

Article. V.

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

[Greed and Death]

All that stuff happens here in Canada, too, sometimes worse. Our rights are subject to change without notice at the whim of police and the courts, and there's not much we can do about it.
EDIT: Just wanted the anti gunners to see this.

How is Obamacare and medical malpractice related? Oh, and I am perfectly willing to ban medical malpractice.

I think the picture means use of medical insurance, since you rarely use it for non medical items.

[Uawc]

All that stuff happens here in Canada, too, sometimes worse. Our rights are subject to change without notice at the whim of police and the courts, and there's not much we can do about it.
EDIT: Just wanted the anti gunners to see this.

How is Obamacare and medical malpractice related? Oh, and I am perfectly willing to ban medical malpractice.

I neither know nor care. I didn't make the image. My point wasn't about Obamacare, it's about how ridiculously overblown gun deaths are.

[Wikkiwallana]

Have you ever heard of a mass shooting in Texas, Missouri, Idaho, or Oklahoma?

Yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_ABB_plant_shootings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby%27s_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

[Emile Zola]

How is Obamacare and medical malpractice related? Oh, and I am perfectly willing to ban medical malpractice.

I neither know nor care. I didn't make the image. My point wasn't about Obamacare, it's about how ridiculously overblown gun deaths are.

What don't you get? People are upset about the lethality of the weapon. That one person can kill masses of people in a short amount of time. That twenty children were killed by the time the police arrived while on the same day in China a man stabbed 22 children with a knife and they all survived. Your total doesn't include total gun homicides which are 12,000+.

[Spreewerke]

I neither know nor care. I didn't make the image. My point wasn't about Obamacare, it's about how ridiculously overblown gun deaths are.

What don't you get? People are upset about the lethality of the weapon. That one person can kill masses of people in a short amount of time. That twenty children were killed by the time the police arrived while on the same day in China a man stabbed 22 children with a knife and they all survived. Your total doesn't include total gun homicides which are 12,000+.

Of which 10,000 are from handguns. Roughly sub-400 were from rifles of any type in 2011 (latest data available from the FBI).

So, of the 310 million firearms in the country in 2009 (definitely even more since then in 2011), less than one percent were used in homicides.

Heck, less than a tenth of a percent, actually.

[Wikkiwallana]

Tasking the Centers for Disease Control to launch a study into the causes of gun crime and to find ways to reduce crime with existing firearms;

Hold on. In what vaguely sensible system do the Centers for Disease Control deal with gun crime?

They're the only people with the tracking infrastructure already in place to record and process all the data about the deaths. So they got handed the job rather than paying for a department more related to the issue to get new equipment and training to handle all the info. Or at least, that's what I seem to remember being told.

[Spreewerke]

Hold on. In what vaguely sensible system do the Centers for Disease Control deal with gun crime?

They're the only people with the tracking infrastructure already in place to record and process all the data about the deaths. So they got handed the job rather than paying for a department more related to the issue to get new equipment and training to handle all the info. Or at least, that's what I seem to remember being told.

inb4 "lead poisoning".

[Wikkiwallana]

They need less actually.

Some people said that the President knew of the attack before anybody else.

And some people say the government puts lithium in the tap water to keep us all sedated and unaware. "Some people" will believe and say anything to justify their paranoia and hatred of governments.

[Wikkiwallana]

Well, except for one I have buried somewhere in a box in one of the many piles of junk in either our attic or garage, every knife I own is a kitchen knife, which means they have non-weapon uses. Further, most of them are butter knives so blunt that it would be easier to kill someone with my bare hands, unless I could trick them into trying to swallow it and choking to death.

Get rid of any baseball bats, crowbars, power tools, axes, and hammers you have.

0, 0, 0, 1, and 0, respectively. Shouldn't be that hard. Or at least, it wouldn't be if any of them were weapons.

[Emile Zola]

Of which 10,000 are from handguns. Roughly sub-400 were from rifles of any type in 2011 (latest data available from the FBI).

So, of the 310 million firearms in the country in 2009 (definitely even more since then in 2011), less than one percent were used in homicides.

Heck, less than a tenth of a percent, actually.

When is the preventable death of anyone acceptable? You know these are people right? Like you.

[Wikkiwallana]

Only if the states are allowed to require a mental evaluation before a woman gets an abortion. It is a serious decision we want to make sure she is not crazy before making it.

I'm not sugarcoating it. That comparison sucked.

People need to be trusted with a firearm, which requires a psych evaluation. I don't see how a woman would require an evaluation unless her vagina can somehow kill other people.

And don't turn this into a discussion about abortion. Unborn foetuses aren't people yet.

So find a better comparison or give me an argument.

I went to wikipedia to look up that horror movie about about a girl with vagina dentata, but I found this tidbit which is even freakier:

Moon Over Soho, the second book in the Rivers of London series by Ben Aaronovitch, features an assassin with vagina dentata.

I'm not sure if I want to read the series or run screaming for a book burning kit.

edit: typo

[Quebec and Atlantic Canada]

(Image)

The fact that you're posting this dumbass image is proof that, when extreme enough, the right and the left are nearly identical.

[Spreewerke]

Of which 10,000 are from handguns. Roughly sub-400 were from rifles of any type in 2011 (latest data available from the FBI).

So, of the 310 million firearms in the country in 2009 (definitely even more since then in 2011), less than one percent were used in homicides.

Heck, less than a tenth of a percent, actually.

When is the preventable death of anyone acceptable? You know these are people right? Like you.

Drunk driving kills far more people per year, and there is no way you can tell me that is not preventable. What is the leading cause of drunk driving? I would venture to guess it is drunks. They get drunk from this thing called alcohol. Last time I checked, Prohibition wasn't an on-going thing as of 2013.

[Neutraligon]

When is the preventable death of anyone acceptable? You know these are people right? Like you.

Drunk driving kills far more people per year, and there is no way you can tell me that is not preventable. What is the leading cause of drunk driving? I would venture to guess it is drunks. They get drunk from this thing called alcohol. Last time I checked, Prohibition wasn't an on-going thing as of 2013.

Ah prohibition is no longer on going, but there is regulation on driving while drunk.

[Wikkiwallana]

The world has to adapt to THE USA not the otherway around LOL.

Such hubris is a good way to get the country scrapped.

[North Calaveras]

Of which 10,000 are from handguns. Roughly sub-400 were from rifles of any type in 2011 (latest data available from the FBI).

So, of the 310 million firearms in the country in 2009 (definitely even more since then in 2011), less than one percent were used in homicides.

Heck, less than a tenth of a percent, actually.

When is the preventable death of anyone acceptable? You know these are people right? Like you.

less than a tenth of a percent is great odds stop complaining

[Spreewerke]

Drunk driving kills far more people per year, and there is no way you can tell me that is not preventable. What is the leading cause of drunk driving? I would venture to guess it is drunks. They get drunk from this thing called alcohol. Last time I checked, Prohibition wasn't an on-going thing as of 2013.

Ah prohibition is no longer on going, but there is regulation on driving while drunk.

So why ban "assault weapons" that are not even used in homicides as often as fists? The only regulation any firearm needs is someone having a hunter's license, the safe-handling and practice knowledge accompanying the course that must be passed before obtaining said license, and a required trip to an FFL to fill out a Form 4473 that includes an NICS background check.

[Wikkiwallana]

It causes you pain that someone might freely make a political argument for stricter regulations on a product you happen to enjoy? That's a bizarre juxtaposition, to put it nicely.

No, what pains me is that the loss of gun rights are inevitable. There will always be some shooter or incident that happens which will ruin everything for all the legal owners of firearms. It will never stop.

To some people, that might be a clue that there is something wrong with the object or pastime in question…

[Emile Zola]

When is the preventable death of anyone acceptable? You know these are people right? Like you.

Drunk driving kills far more people per year, and there is no way you can tell me that is not preventable. What is the leading cause of drunk driving? I would venture to guess it is drunks. They get drunk from this thing called alcohol. Last time I checked, Prohibition wasn't an on-going thing as of 2013.

When was the last time a drunk driver went on a spree in his car and killed 26 people in minutes? Has it ever occurred? I'll repeat myself the public is uneasy with the amount of damage someone can do with one weapon.

[Wikkiwallana]

They're the only people with the tracking infrastructure already in place to record and process all the data about the deaths. So they got handed the job rather than paying for a department more related to the issue to get new equipment and training to handle all the info. Or at least, that's what I seem to remember being told.

inb4 "lead poisoning".

Acute lead poisoning.

[Spreewerke]

Drunk driving kills far more people per year, and there is no way you can tell me that is not preventable. What is the leading cause of drunk driving? I would venture to guess it is drunks. They get drunk from this thing called alcohol. Last time I checked, Prohibition wasn't an on-going thing as of 2013.

When was the last time a drunk driver went on a spree in his car and killed 26 people in minutes? Has it ever occurred? I'll repeat myself the public is uneasy with the amount of damage someone can do with one weapon.

If you wish, you can always Google about the car-and-bike crash that occurred in Mexico.

You can also talk to the parents and/or relatives of those affected by drunk driving accidents. Relatives such as myself.

[Occupied Deutschland]

inb4 "lead poisoning".

Acute lead poisoning.

Edit: Bad joke, nothing to see here.

[Esternial]

I'm not sugarcoating it. That comparison sucked.

People need to be trusted with a firearm, which requires a psych evaluation. I don't see how a woman would require an evaluation unless her vagina can somehow kill other people.

And don't turn this into a discussion about abortion. Unborn foetuses aren't people yet.

So find a better comparison or give me an argument.

I went to wikipedia to look up that horror movie about about a girl with vagina dentata, but I found this tidbit which is even freakier:

Moon Over Soho, the second book in the Rivers of London series by Ben Aaronovitch, features an assassin with vagina dentata.

I'm not sure if I want to read the series or run screaming for a book burning kit.

edit: typo

This is brilliant

[Esternial]

How is Obamacare and medical malpractice related? Oh, and I am perfectly willing to ban medical malpractice.

I think the picture means use of medical insurance, since you rarely use it for non medical items.

Which would make sense if it were related to malpractice.

Unless you think paying for it yourself somehow magically keeps the malpractice away.