Obama speaks on changes to US gun laws

[Lessnt]

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Uni ... ates/Crime

So lets see

In assault victims.
The UK gets it more.
When it comes to brides.
The UK get more.
When it comes to drug offenses...
THe UK gets more....
IT goes on and on...where the crime in the UK is much greater than the USA.

Guns also magically stop Internet Piracy. Your source says so.

My sources only makes comparisons lol.
I would also say guns stop rape.

[Frisivisia]

Guns also magically stop Internet Piracy. Your source says so.

My sources only makes comparisons lol.

But you make the jump, saying correlation is causation.

[Salandriagado]

Crime. The purpose of gun control is to prevent crime. I picked a country in western Europe that had a short name. Pick any other and you'll get the same (in fact, most of them are a lot better than the UK in most respects).

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Uni ... ates/Crime

So lets see

In assault victims.
The UK gets it more.
When it comes to brides.
The UK get more.
When it comes to drug offenses...
THe UK gets more....
IT goes on and on...where the crime in the UK is much greater than the USA.

Nope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate

You can see the US at 4.8, the UK at 1.2. The higher drug offences in the UK are as a result of more stringent drug laws and better enforcement thereof. For some reason, Nationmaster doesn't have the UK on its assault statistics. In terms of bribes (which is what I'm assuming "brides" was supposed to be), the UK has a bribe victims rate of 0.1%, compared to 0.2% for the US.

(All of the above from nationmaster.com unless otherwise specified.)

In other words, you are bullshitting.

[Salandriagado]

OK, that would be the UK. Next.

Yep, the old UK. Modern compared to USA standards? Most of their buildings are 300 years old minimum,

This is a lie.

and they heat with boilers and radiators like we DID in the 50's and 60's.

So is this.

They're still on the Pub rules of the 1940's (or they were when I was there last).

And this.

The standard of living was almost on par with ours, but not quite.

Which is why they are an example for crime specifically. If he had specified standard of living, I'd have gone for somewhere like Norway.

Things might have changed some, but not that much.

Yep, you're still full of shit.

[Lessnt]

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Uni ... ates/Crime

So lets see

In assault victims.
The UK gets it more.
When it comes to brides.
The UK get more.
When it comes to drug offenses...
THe UK gets more....
IT goes on and on...where the crime in the UK is much greater than the USA.

Nope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate

You can see the US at 4.8, the UK at 1.2. The higher drug offences in the UK are as a result of more stringent drug laws and better enforcement thereof. For some reason, Nationmaster doesn't have the UK on its assault statistics. In terms of bribes (which is what I'm assuming "brides" was supposed to be), the UK has a bribe victims rate of 0.1%, compared to 0.2% for the US.

(All of the above from nationmaster.com unless otherwise specified.)

In other words, you are bullshitting.

Your source just show homocide.

Also the UK gets more rape victims.

[Salandriagado]

Nope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate

You can see the US at 4.8, the UK at 1.2. The higher drug offences in the UK are as a result of more stringent drug laws and better enforcement thereof. For some reason, Nationmaster doesn't have the UK on its assault statistics. In terms of bribes (which is what I'm assuming "brides" was supposed to be), the UK has a bribe victims rate of 0.1%, compared to 0.2% for the US.

(All of the above from nationmaster.com unless otherwise specified.)

In other words, you are bullshitting.

Your source just show homocide.

I bolded the relevant line.

Also the UK gets more rape victims.

Source that crap. Nationmaster lacks data from one or both nations on its various rape statistics.

[Bug Out]

Yep, the old UK. Modern compared to USA standards? Most of their buildings are 300 years old minimum,

This is a lie.

and they heat with boilers and radiators like we DID in the 50's and 60's.

So is this.

They're still on the Pub rules of the 1940's (or they were when I was there last).

And this.

The standard of living was almost on par with ours, but not quite.

Which is why they are an example for crime specifically. If he had specified standard of living, I'd have gone for somewhere like Norway.

Things might have changed some, but not that much.

Yep, you're still full of shit.

Ok, let's say the nation was completely rebuilt in the last 30 years. Educate me. What would be the average age of your buildings? What type of heat? At the time, they called "Central heat" radiators, the factories I worked in were heated with radiators, the hotels and houses I lived in were also. The pubs could open at 6:30 or 7, and had to close at 10:30 or 11 respectfully, so tell me how this has changed.

[Saiwania]

I need a drink.

Thinking back on it, what I said was in very poor taste. If one of the children who were killed was mine, I obviously would care. It doesn't make the issue of gun control any less painful, as someone who likes firearms.

[Terraius]

And why would you say that? Crime, culture, what?

Crime. The purpose of gun control is to prevent crime. I picked a country in western Europe that had a short name. Pick any other and you'll get the same (in fact, most of them are a lot better than the UK in most respects).

Crime as a percentage in the UK is relatively equal to that of the US, give or take a few percentages depending on the specific crime. The one crime that is not prevalent in the UK is gun-related killings of police officers and other peoples. But other than that, theres not a major difference. So I really do not see how much more 'modern' the UK is when they are on the same boat as we are. Gun control, while in the UK hasn't failed per say, it certainly hasn't succeeded either because crime overall remains the same, the only difference is that guns are not as involved in said crimes as here in the states. Crime is a crime, a death is a death, regardless if its with a firearm or what have you.

[Free South Califas]

I need a drink.

Thinking back on it, what I said was in very poor taste. If one of the children who were killed was mine, I obviously would care.

In other words, the tragedy has no emotional effect on you because you don't know anyone who was killed, yet...

It doesn't make the issue of gun control any less painful, as someone who likes firearms.

It causes you pain that someone might freely make a political argument for stricter regulations on a product you happen to enjoy? That's a bizarre juxtaposition, to put it nicely.

[Saiwania]

In other words, the tragedy has no emotional effect on you because you don't know anyone who was killed, yet...

No, the context is that I was wrong to say what I did because if a similar tragedy affected me, I would be in the same situation of grief that the parents of these children that were killed are in. I am selfish and hypocritical at times.

It causes you pain that someone might freely make a political argument for stricter regulations on a product you happen to enjoy? That's a bizarre juxtaposition, to put it nicely.

No, what pains me is that the loss of gun rights are inevitable. There will always be some shooter or incident that happens which will ruin everything for all the legal owners of firearms. It will never stop.

[Spreewerke]

Actually you can in most states.

Try buying an RPG legally though. Or a predator drone. They ARE arms after all.

You can in most states assuming you have the money and the time (concerning the M60).

I wonder why I can't buy a RPG or a predator drone? They are arms after all...

http://www.autoweapons.com/photosn/phot ... 48rpg.html

Pre-May of 1986 RPGs (that are registered wth the NFA) are perfectly legal transferable Destructive Devices.

Good luck finding any ammunition.

Ever.

[Lessnt]

In other words, the tragedy has no emotional effect on you because you don't know anyone who was killed, yet...

No, the context is that I was wrong to say what I did because if a similar tragedy affected me, I would be in the same situation of grief that the parents of these children that were killed are in. I am selfish and hypocritical at times.

It causes you pain that someone might freely make a political argument for stricter regulations on a product you happen to enjoy? That's a bizarre juxtaposition, to put it nicely.

No, what pains me is that the loss of gun rights are inevitable. There will always be some shooter or incident that happens which will ruin everything for all the legal owners of firearms. It will never stop.

At one point it was assault rifles.
Now it is Assault weapons.
Soon to be all handguns.

They found their formula to constantly work to steal freedom.

[Spreewerke]

Some might need one. I would (were I a gun fearing man) be more afraid of the man with a bolt-action rifle capable of taking out a deer at 300m. Deer are the same size (more or less) as a human and some recreational shooters target out a thousand meters or more.

I have a 7.56mmR Mosin-Nagant Bolt action Rifle(The actual Russian variant Its made in 43' I love that thing too), I could shoot a lot farther then my dad without a scope if i knew my meters.

100m = 110yd., 200m = 220yd., etc.

[Occupied Deutschland]

I have a 7.56mmR Mosin-Nagant Bolt action Rifle(The actual Russian variant Its made in 43' I love that thing too), I could shoot a lot farther then my dad without a scope if i knew my meters.

100m = 110yd., 200m = 220yd., etc.

...
Holy moly the metric system actually brings targets closer to you! That's so cool!
^Blatantly doesn't understand the metric system.

[Uawc]

If these infantile, emotionalistic and statistic-ignoring laws are passed, I will be very sad, as I was considering moving to the United States to enjoy the supposed freedoms Americans are touted to have.

[Spreewerke]

As has been mentioned before, I am a collector of "military-style" firearms. Primarily those of Warsaw Pact influences, but there are several non-WP firearms in there.

Anyway, just to add on to the Izhmash business, banning imports will probably shut them down. Russia has already ceased orders for AKs from them, so their primary sales target was gone until the United States upped their imports. Seventy percent of their sales come here in the form of SAIGA sporting rifles. If they go under, Venezuela no longer has a main military weapon supply, nor does anyone else currently using the AK-74M/AK-100-series Kalashnikov platform.

[Spreewerke]

Gun manufacturers can obviously get around that by making guns that can slice bread, drive you around and pick your teeth.

With an AR-15 that has a bayonet lug it is pretty easy to slice bread.
Attach bayonet, slice bread.

[Free South Califas]

If these infantile, emotionalistic and statistic-ignoring laws are passed, I will be very sad, as I was considering moving to the United States to enjoy the supposed freedoms Americans are touted to have.

And it was the gun control that did it? Really? Not the USA PATRIOT Act? Not the evidence of an FBI-coordinated raid on Occupy? Not [fill in the blank with any of the many authoritarian moves of the last few decades]?

[Wikkiwallana]

Fine:
Twaddle
Nonsense
Balderdash
Horse Hockey
Baloney
Poppycock
Rubbish
Tripe
Drivel

Take your pick. Regardless of how mature you think my choice of word was, you're still wrong.

Still immature that you would attack my beliefs with a single word instead of making a statement. "Those who respond to a smart comment with shut up aren't smart enough to have a comeback." and just saying bullshit is you saying to me " shut up your wrong, im right and i dont want you to speak your opinion." good day

If I wanted you to shut up, I'd have said "shut up". Instead, what I wanted you to do was say things that are not hilariously wrong. To that end, I correctly pointed out that what you said was, in fact, bullshit. Governments are not hell. Being in or near a generic government does not cause death, loss of limbs, PTSD, self-destruictive coping mechanisms such as abuse of alcohol or drugs, or any of the other horrors and risks of war. That you would compare the two so flippantly is so patently absurd as to not warrant a substantive reply. Yet, you got one anyway, since you didn't seem to grasp this the first time.

[Wikkiwallana]

History says fighting to the death for stupid causes doesn't end well.

Says the guy that supports gun bans.

Point out where I supported a ban, please, I'd like to see it.

[Geilinor]

What he's said so far is strengthening of background checks, improvements in mental healthcare, allowing funding for schools to hire 'resource officers' if they choose to

Those three should be uncontroversial. For the background checks, nobody wants it to be easy for known potential dangers to have guns. I believe even the NRA people talked a bit about that.

[Uawc]

If these infantile, emotionalistic and statistic-ignoring laws are passed, I will be very sad, as I was considering moving to the United States to enjoy the supposed freedoms Americans are touted to have.

And it was the gun control that did it? Really? Not the USA PATRIOT Act? Not the evidence of an FBI-coordinated raid on Occupy? Not [fill in the blank with any of the many authoritarian moves of the last few decades]?

All that stuff happens here in Canada, too, sometimes worse. Our rights are subject to change without notice at the whim of police and the courts, and there's not much we can do about it.
EDIT: Just wanted the anti gunners to see this.

[Wikkiwallana]

Says the guy that supports gun bans.

I don't think Wikki is planning to fight for the death for gun control, so your attempted witty rhetoric falls slightly flat.

Damn right I'm not. This shit isn't worth my life.

[Neutraligon]

And it was the gun control that did it? Really? Not the USA PATRIOT Act? Not the evidence of an FBI-coordinated raid on Occupy? Not [fill in the blank with any of the many authoritarian moves of the last few decades]?

All that stuff happens here in Canada, too, sometimes worse. Our rights are subject to change without notice at the whim of police and the courts, and there's not much we can do about it.
EDIT: Just wanted the anti gunners to see this.

How is Obamacare and medical malpractice related? Oh, and I am perfectly willing to ban medical malpractice.