Obama speaks on changes to US gun laws

[Lessnt]

May I ask a slightly controversial question?
Why exactly is it that we treat the Bill of Rights as if they were gospel?
Why is it that we always use the Bill of Rights and the Founding Fathers as its own argument?

The Founding Fathers lived 200 years ago in a vastly different world of differing values and circumstances, why should what they say matter?
They were men, not gods, men.
On this issue I'm going to say right now that the 2nd Amendment is wrong.

You know what the founding fathers realized they were foulable and that is why we have Article V.
If you want to remove the right to bear arms do so through the amendment process.

Yes I know it is not removable by a simple majority, no right is removable by a simple majority, that is why we call it a right.

A PROCCESS YOU SAY!?

People now do not believe in the rule of law.
They believe in doing as they please.
This should be apparent by now.

Too bad no one else has the reason the founding fathers did.
They understood they could be made wrong.

As opposed today not even children being massacred in chicago by gunfire can prove a chicago politician's words or idealology wrong.

[Moon Cows]

Oh, Obama.

The ounce of respect I had for him is gone.

[Gauthier]

He should just let the states handle it. Have you notice that almost every incident has happen in states were there a large amount of gun laws. Also we need to stop blaming guns and start talking about the mental insane. Have you ever heard of a mass shooting in Texas, Missouri, Idaho, or Oklahoma?

You've not heard of the sniper in Austin who murdered 14 people and injured 32 more?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

I've been to the tower that he used as a nest.

He didn't use an assault rifle so it doesn't count!

[Greed and Death]

He should just let the states handle it. Have you notice that almost every incident has happen in states were there a large amount of gun laws. Also we need to stop blaming guns and start talking about the mental insane. Have you ever heard of a mass shooting in Texas, Missouri, Idaho, or Oklahoma?

You've not heard of the sniper in Austin who murdered 14 people and injured 32 more?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

I've been to the tower that he used as a nest.

So you had to look all the way back to the 1960's to find an incident in the 2nd most populous state. Clearly Texas style gun laws must be adopted.
Lets have the federal government preempt the field with Texas style laws.

[Libertarian California]

This all seems okay for the most part. Except the ban on magazines greater than 10 rounds. That's bad, and I vehemently oppose it.

[Libertarian California]

You've not heard of the sniper in Austin who murdered 14 people and injured 32 more?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

I've been to the tower that he used as a nest.

So you had to look all the way back to the 1960's to find an incident in the 2nd most populous state. Clearly Texas style gun laws must be adopted.
Lets have the federal government preempt the field with Texas style laws.

An excellent point. Places like Alabama and Mississippi have lower gun crime rates than Chicago and California.

[Lessnt]

You've not heard of the sniper in Austin who murdered 14 people and injured 32 more?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

I've been to the tower that he used as a nest.

So you had to look all the way back to the 1960's to find an incident in the 2nd most populous state. Clearly Texas style gun laws must be adopted.
Lets have the federal government preempt the field with Texas style laws.

Lets just get the chicagoan gun laws done and over with so children can be mass murdered.
I thought Obama was gonna avoid doing severe damage to this country.

Seems that the nation is going to be forced to repeat current chicago history.

[Salandriagado]

Tasking the Centers for Disease Control to launch a study into the causes of gun crime and to find ways to reduce crime with existing firearms;

Hold on. In what vaguely sensible system do the Centers for Disease Control deal with gun crime?

[Libertarian California]

Didn't US police forces get huge improvements in funding post-9/11? Do they really need more?

They need less actually.

[The Noble Wolf]

Didn't US police forces get huge improvements in funding post-9/11? Do they really need more?

They need less actually.

Some people said that the President knew of the attack before anybody else.

[Libertarian California]

Then get rid of every knife you own. I do.

Well, except for one I have buried somewhere in a box in one of the many piles of junk in either our attic or garage, every knife I own is a kitchen knife, which means they have non-weapon uses. Further, most of them are butter knives so blunt that it would be easier to kill someone with my bare hands, unless I could trick them into trying to swallow it and choking to death.

Get rid of any baseball bats, crowbars, power tools, axes, and hammers you have.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

They need less actually.

Some people said that the President knew of the attack before anybody else.

Some people also say the moon is made of cheese.

[Libertarian California]

They need less actually.

Some people said that the President knew of the attack before anybody else.

Perhaps. Israeli agents had warned us of an impending attack some months before, but their warning was rather vague and didn't have much information.

That being said, 9/11 could have been easily prevented, and the Department of Homeland Security didn't need to be created.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Tasking the Centers for Disease Control to launch a study into the causes of gun crime and to find ways to reduce crime with existing firearms;

Hold on. In what vaguely sensible system do the Centers for Disease Control deal with gun crime?

CDC compiles all the various death statistics of the US.

[Salandriagado]

They need less actually.

Some people said that the President knew of the attack before anybody else.

Some people are monumentally stupid. The people that said that being examples of the breed.

Hold on. In what vaguely sensible system do the Centers for Disease Control deal with gun crime?

CDC compiles all the various death statistics of the US.

*Mutters about silly non-descriptive names*

[The Noble Wolf]

Some people said that the President knew of the attack before anybody else.

Some people also say the moon is made of cheese.

[Greed and Death]

Tasking the Centers for Disease Control to launch a study into the causes of gun crime and to find ways to reduce crime with existing firearms;

Hold on. In what vaguely sensible system do the Centers for Disease Control deal with gun crime?

It is because the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms is so hated by fire arms owners suggesting they conduct the study would instantly kill the entire bill.

If they simply ran the Bureau in the way I would like, by having a day at the office consist of smoking Cigars, drinking, and shooting guns this would not be an issue.

[Libertarian California]

For once, I find most of Obama's ideas here to be reasonably, and wouldn't mind if they were put into place. Most of them, except the ten round clip limit.

You could regulate the sale of large magazines, but banning them outright is bad. We've got a storage facility in Nevada, and we keep a fully automatic AR-15 (that was converted to full auto) with a 30 round mag (this would be illegal in California, so we keep it in Nevada). Why should we have to give it up? On the illogical presumption that we might go on a shooting spree? No! It's downright absurd.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Hold on. In what vaguely sensible system do the Centers for Disease Control deal with gun crime?

It is because the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms is so hated by fire arms owners suggesting they conduct the study would instantly kill the entire bill.

If they simply ran the Bureau in the way I would like, by having a day at the office consist of smoking Cigars, drinking, and shooting guns this would not be an issue.

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms? That sounds like a great place to work! I love all three of those things, especially at the same time! Where's the nearest recruitment facility!

[Lessnt]

For once, I find most of Obama's ideas here to be reasonably, and wouldn't mind if they were put into place. Most of them, except the ten round clip limit.

You could regulate the sale of large magazines, but banning them outright is bad. We've got a storage facility in Nevada, and we keep a fully automatic AR-15 (that was converted to full auto) with a 30 round mag (this would be illegal in California, so we keep it in Nevada). Why should we have to give it up? On the illogical presumption that we might go on a shooting spree? No! It's downright absurd.

Why?
TO give criminals a new market to take advantage of obviously.
As long as legitimate manufacturers can sell weapons the illegal market cannot compete.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

It is because the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms is so hated by fire arms owners suggesting they conduct the study would instantly kill the entire bill.

If they simply ran the Bureau in the way I would like, by having a day at the office consist of smoking Cigars, drinking, and shooting guns this would not be an issue.

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms? That sounds like a great place to work! I love all three of those things, especially at the same time! Where's the nearest recruitment facility!

What an awesome country America could have been, were it just for this one minor detail...

[Dilange]

Now that I know what is happening with these new laws....not much has changed.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Now that I know what is happening with these new laws....not much has changed.

Plenty's changed.
America will be prohibited from making up almost a third of sales from the Izmash arsenal.
You're killing the Russian economy!

No seriously, renewed interest in AK-type rifles was one of the main things that kept that factory open.

[Esternial]

I'd demand a mental evaluation, but I'm guessing certain people would oppose

Only if the states are allowed to require a mental evaluation before a woman gets an abortion. It is a serious decision we want to make sure she is not crazy before making it.

I'm not sugarcoating it. That comparison sucked.

People need to be trusted with a firearm, which requires a psych evaluation. I don't see how a woman would require an evaluation unless her vagina can somehow kill other people.

And don't turn this into a discussion about abortion. Unborn foetuses aren't people yet.

So find a better comparison or give me an argument.

[Dilange]

Now that I know what is happening with these new laws....not much has changed.

Plenty's changed.
America will be prohibited from making up almost a third of sales from the Izmash arsenal.
You're killing the Russian economy!

No seriously, renewed interest in AK-type rifles was one of the main things that kept that factory open.

Maybe, but for everything else it hasnt changed much.