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Postby Phocidaea » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:43 pm

I fully support background checks and mental health funding, but I disagree with the "assault weapons" categorization. The exact specifications will just ban a few guns, none of which have actually seen widespread use in murder cases, for purely cosmetic reasons.

It's not like it'll make it past the NRApublicans anyway. The Second Amendment crowd doesn't need to worry until 2015, by which time Aurora and Newtown will just be sleepy little towns again.
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Postby Minarchist States Of Equality » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:43 pm

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Minarchist States Of Equality wrote:Hey usually i d roll in here cursing at the president for his stupidity and violation of my rights but i already got yelled at for that before so instead im just going to say that our president has zero respect for the second amendment and i hate him for it

Actually, by not trying to ban all weapons, he's showing more respect for the second amendment than you do for him.

I dont care ive given him his chance for respect and while i still do respect him as a person i hate him as a leader
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:44 pm

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You need a gun to feel safe? Where do you live, Somalia? I have guns, yes, but they don't change my feelings of safety; that comes from living in a semi-orderly state with a functioning police force.

Me owning a gun doesn't stop someone from breaking into my flat when I'm not there to shoot them. The cops do.


Police that are barely capable of doing their jobs make everyone feel safer, I assure you. :roll:


Hell, even if they were corrupt bastards that had to be bribed to protect my home (which the States' aren't, quite), I'd still be more secure in the knowledge they exist than that I have a pistol and Kalashnikov in my gun safe.
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Postby Esternial » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:45 pm

Minarchist States Of Equality wrote:
Esternial wrote:Actually, by not trying to ban all weapons, he's showing more respect for the second amendment than you do for him.

I dont care ive given him his chance for respect and while i still do respect him as a person i hate him as a leader

He has to govern a nation, it's not a walk in the park, especially in a divided country like the US. Give him some credit.

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Postby Amerikians » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:45 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
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Police that are barely capable of doing their jobs make everyone feel safer, I assure you. :roll:


Hell, even if they were corrupt bastards that had to be bribed to protect my home (which the States' aren't, quite), I'd still be more secure in the knowledge they exist than that I have a pistol and Kalashnikov in my gun safe.


To each his own mate, I for one feel reaffirmed in safety that I have my Browning.
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Postby McNernia » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:46 pm

I Support:
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-Ban on civil ownership of Full Auto weapons

-Assessment of the cause of gun crime

-Increased school counseling for students and staff

-Registry of guns

-Education about guns and gun laws, so people can make informed decisions about guns.
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Postby Death Metal » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:48 pm

Esternial wrote:
Minarchist States Of Equality wrote:I dont care ive given him his chance for respect and while i still do respect him as a person i hate him as a leader

He has to govern a nation, it's not a walk in the park, especially in a divided country like the US. Give him some credit.


And seeing as he's had to babysit several hundred spoiled children collectively known as "Congress"
, he's done a damn good job.
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Postby The Conservative Alliance (Ancient) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:49 pm

Saiwania wrote:I am not going to obey an Assault Weapons Ban if it passes.


I think a lot of Americans won't!

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Postby Minarchist States Of Equality » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:50 pm

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Saiwania wrote:I am not going to obey an Assault Weapons Ban if it passes.


I think a lot of Americans won't!

I'm certainly not paying it any heed
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Postby The Conservative Alliance (Ancient) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:51 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Esternial wrote:He has to govern a nation, it's not a walk in the park, especially in a divided country like the US. Give him some credit.


And seeing as he's had to babysit several hundred spoiled children collectively known as "Congress"
, he's done a damn good job.


You don't have to respect a leader. This is a democratic country with Free Speech. That's the whole point: being able to talk bad about leaders without being killed.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:51 pm

The Conservative Alliance wrote:
Saiwania wrote:I am not going to obey an Assault Weapons Ban if it passes.


I think a lot of Americans won't!

And you will all be arrested for doing so.

The better option would be to follow it and campaign against it.

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Postby Amerikians » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:51 pm

Best option is to remember that the Supreme Court already mandated that such measures are unconstitutional.
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No such thing as a glorious revolution. War is hell.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:51 pm

Minarchist States Of Equality wrote:Hey usually i d roll in here cursing at the president for his stupidity and violation of my rights but i already got yelled at for that before so instead im just going to say that our president has zero respect for the second amendment and i hate him for it


Not letting you carry you military-grade weaponry + asking you to get through extensive mental health and background checks =/= not letting you carry guns at all

You should be ecstatic really. With all the calls from much of "the evil left" for banning guns in general, you have a president who was actually sensible enough to not blame every tragedy on all guns.
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Postby Minarchist States Of Equality » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:52 pm

The Conservative Alliance wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
And seeing as he's had to babysit several hundred spoiled children collectively known as "Congress"
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You don't have to respect a leader. This is a democratic country with Free Speech. That's the whole point: being able to talk bad about leaders without being killed.

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Postby Malgrave » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:52 pm

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Police that are barely capable of doing their jobs make everyone feel safer, I assure you. :roll:


Hell, even if they were corrupt bastards that had to be bribed to protect my home (which the States' aren't, quite), I'd still be more secure in the knowledge they exist than that I have a pistol and Kalashnikov in my gun safe.


You really need an AK to defend your home from potential criminals? Surely all you need is a competent security system, a decent local police force and if you feel the need to possess a firearm then a pistol (hopefully combined with some practice) will do the job quite nicely.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:52 pm

Saiwania wrote:I am not going to obey an Assault Weapons Ban if it passes.


Feel free to break the law and become a danger to your fellow citizens.

What, you expect applause and standing ovation for your promise?
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Postby Minarchist States Of Equality » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:53 pm

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Amerikians wrote:Well this was a long time in coming to begin with; is going to be glorious the revolution born from it.

No such thing as a glorious revolution. War is hell.

Yes war is hell but so is government
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Postby Norstal » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:53 pm

Amerikians wrote:Best option is to remember that the Supreme Court already mandated that such measures are unconstitutional.

Which cases?
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Postby Amerikians » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:53 pm

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Saiwania wrote:I am not going to obey an Assault Weapons Ban if it passes.


Feel free to break the law and become a danger to your fellow citizens.

What, you expect applause and standing ovation for your promise?


Quite frankly more than a few would likely give him/her/it that.
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Postby Amerikians » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:54 pm

Norstal wrote:
Amerikians wrote:Best option is to remember that the Supreme Court already mandated that such measures are unconstitutional.

Which cases?


After the 96 law expired.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:54 pm

Mcnernia wrote:I Support:
-Improved background checks

-Ban on civil ownership of Full Auto weapons

-Assessment of the cause of gun crime

-Increased school counseling for students and staff

-Registry of guns

-Education about guns and gun laws, so people can make informed decisions about guns.

Sorry, you must be at least this histrionic!! to post in this thread. You'll have to go find somewhere else to talk.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:54 pm

Amerikians wrote:Well this was a long time in coming to begin with; is going to be glorious the revolution born from it.


Good luck beating the Police and the Military.
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Postby Minarchist States Of Equality » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:55 pm

Amerikians wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Feel free to break the law and become a danger to your fellow citizens.

What, you expect applause and standing ovation for your promise?


Quite frankly more than a few would likely give him/her/it that.

Im very willing to applause that comment
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