Pearl Harbor Survivor's thoughts on Obama

[Nazis in Space]

I know a lot of people who would hope that, die obama terrorist die!

So...how long until you reach adolescence?

I'd argue that his PoV is perfectly valid if he's, say, a Pakistani villager whose family was killed in a drone strike and who subsequently joined Al Qaeda.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

So...how long until you reach adolescence?

I'd argue that his PoV is perfectly valid if he's, say, a Pakistani villager whose family was killed in a drone strike and who subsequently joined Al Qaeda.

Indeed. However he's not.

[Arlenton]

So...how long until you reach adolescence?

I'd argue that his PoV is perfectly valid if he's, say, a Pakistani villager whose family was killed in a drone strike and who subsequently joined Al Qaeda.

Obama drone strikes in Pakistan, kills innocent person, they join Al Qaeda, obama introduces federal ban on guns, terrorist with gun in town, dead people, obama a terrorist.

[R Ev0lution]

So...how long until you reach adolescence?

I'd argue that his PoV is perfectly valid if he's, say, a Pakistani villager whose family was killed in a drone strike and who subsequently joined Al Qaeda.

Except for the fact that he said the following:

I know a lot of people who would hope that, die obama terrorist die!

... Unless he's referring to the American invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq as acts of terrorism, but that doesn't make sense either, since neither of those were decisions made under Obama.

[Arlenton]

I'd argue that his PoV is perfectly valid if he's, say, a Pakistani villager whose family was killed in a drone strike and who subsequently joined Al Qaeda.

Except for the fact that he said the following:

I know a lot of people who would hope that, die obama terrorist die!

... Unless he's referring to the American invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq as acts of terrorism, but that doesn't make sense either, since neither of those were decisions made under Obama.

Its nothing about the wars, its his "anti-old school americanness" and all out failure to fix stuff.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Except for the fact that he said the following:

... Unless he's referring to the American invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq as acts of terrorism, but that doesn't make sense either, since neither of those were decisions made under Obama.

Its nothing about the wars, its his "anti-old school americanness" and all out failure to fix stuff.

And Bush was a Sainted Hero amirite?

[R Ev0lution]

Except for the fact that he said the following:

... Unless he's referring to the American invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq as acts of terrorism, but that doesn't make sense either, since neither of those were decisions made under Obama.

Its nothing about the wars, its his "anti-old school americanness" and all out failure to fix stuff.

... And how is that -- in any way, shape, or form -- "terrorism"?

If your gripe with him lies solely in his lack of patriotism and/or competence, then you need to edit your mental dictionary. Seriously.

[Arlenton]

Its nothing about the wars, its his "anti-old school americanness" and all out failure to fix stuff.

... And how is that -- in any way, shape, or form -- "terrorism"?

If your gripe with him lies solely in his lack of patriotism and/or competence, then you need to edit your mental dictionary. Seriously.

He wants to ban assault weapons, enough said.

[Arlenton]

Its nothing about the wars, its his "anti-old school americanness" and all out failure to fix stuff.

... And how is that -- in any way, shape, or form -- "terrorism"?

If your gripe with him lies solely in his lack of patriotism and/or competence, then you need to edit your mental dictionary. Seriously.

He wants to ban assault weapons, enough said.

[R Ev0lution]

... And how is that -- in any way, shape, or form -- "terrorism"?

If your gripe with him lies solely in his lack of patriotism and/or competence, then you need to edit your mental dictionary. Seriously.

He wants to ban assault weapons, enough said.

Let's look at the three definitions of "terrorism" made available by the Oxford English Dictionary:

1. Government by intimidation as directed and carried out by the party in power in France during the Revolution of 1789–94; the system of the ‘Terror’ (1793–4): see terror n. 3. Now hist.

Unless you believe that Obama is an 18th-century Frenchman, this definition is inappropriate.

a. gen. The unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims; (originally) such practices used by a government or ruling group (freq. through paramilitary or informal armed groups) in order to maintain its control over a population; (now usually) such practices used by a clandestine or expatriate organization as a means of furthering its aims. Cf. terrorist n. 1b.

Unless you believe that Obama plans to ban assault weapons through some unheard-of Secret Police, rather than through the actual legal process, this definition is inappropriate.

b. In extended or weakened use: the instilling of fear or terror; intimidation, coercion, bullying.

Unless you believe that Obama has launched an intricate propaganda campaign to persecute gun-owners, and that he uses aforementioned Secret Police to harass them, then this definition is inappropriate.

I stand by my position: You need to edit your mental dictionary.

[Finium]

Obviously fake letter is obviously fake, as well as being wrong and dumb.

Wow, and you think that veteran didn't include warrants in his letter.

[Dyakovo]

I hope Obama contemplated suicide after reading the letter.

That's horrible =<

Why would any decent human being hope that?

They wouldn't...
I'm also a bit confused why he'd contemplate suicide after reading a letter full of falsehoods...

[Laerod]

He wants to ban assault weapons, enough said.

He wants to ban assault weapons, enough said.

If that's the case, why'd you have to say it twice.

[Laerod]

That's horrible =<

Why would any decent human being hope that?

They wouldn't...
I'm also a bit confused why he'd contemplate suicide after reading a letter full of falsehoods...

Losing faith in America?

[Tekania]

Hey there NS

So something recently came across my newsfeed, a letter by one Harold Estes, a retired Master Chief Bos’n Mate living in a retirement home in Pearl Harbor, addressed to President Obama.

I think it addresses some valid issues, but gazing at the rest of you, I'm sure to find somebody who disagrees. So, without further ado, the letter.

My name is Harold Estes, approaching 95 on December 13 of this year. People meeting me for the first time don’t believe my age because I remain wrinkle free and pretty much mentally alert.

I enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1934 and served proudly before, during and after WW II retiring as a Master Chief Bos’n Mate. Now I live in a “rest home” located on the western end of Pearl Harbor , allowing me to keep alive the memories of 23 years of service to my country.

One of the benefits of my age, perhaps the only one, is to speak my mind, blunt and direct even to the head man.

So here goes.

I am amazed, angry and determined not to see my country die before I do, but you seem hell bent not to grant me that wish.

I can’t figure out what country you are the president of.
You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like:

” We’re no longer a Christian nation”
” America is arrogant”

– (Your wife even
announced to the world,” America is mean-spirited. ” Please tell her to try preaching that nonsense to 23 generations of our
war dead buried all over the globe who died for no other reason than to free a whole lot of strangers from tyranny and hopelessness.)

I’d say shame on the both of you, but I don’t think you like America, nor do I see an ounce of gratefulness in anything you do, for the obvious gifts this country has given you. To be without shame or gratefulness is a dangerous thing for a man sitting in the White House.

After 9/11 you said,” America hasn’t lived up to her ideals.”

Which ones did you mean? Was it the notion of personal liberty that 11,000 farmers and shopkeepers died for to win independence from the British? Or maybe the ideal that no man should be a slave to another man, that 500,000 men died for in the Civil War? I hope you didn’t mean the ideal 470,000 fathers, brothers, husbands, and a lot of fellas I knew personally died for in WWII, because we felt real strongly about not letting any nation push us around, because we stand for freedom.

I don’t think you mean the ideal that says equality is better than discrimination. You know the one that a whole lot of white people understood when they helped to get you elected.

Take a little advice from a very old geezer, young man.

Shape up and start acting like an American. If you don’t, I’ll do what I can to see you get shipped out of that fancy rental on Pennsylvania Avenue . You were elected to lead not to bow, apologize and kiss the hands of murderers and corrupt leaders who still treat their people like slaves.

And just who do you think you are telling the American people not to jump to conclusions and condemn that Muslim major who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers and wounded dozens more. You mean you don’t want us to do what you did when that white cop used force to subdue that black college professor in Massachusetts , who was putting up a fight? You don’t mind offending the police calling them stupid but you don’t want us to offend Muslim fanatics by calling them what they are, terrorists.

One more thing. I realize you never served in the military and never had to defend your country with your life, but you’re the Commander-in-Chief now, son. Do your job. When your battle-hardened field General asks you for 40,000 more troops to complete the mission, give them to him. But if you’re not in this fight to win, then get out. The life of one American soldier is not worth the best political strategy you’re thinking of.

You could be our greatest president because you face the greatest challenge ever presented to any president.
You’re not going to restore American greatness by bringing back our bloated economy. That’s not our greatest threat. Losing the heart and soul of who we are as Americans is our big fight now.
And I sure as hell don’t want to think my president is the enemy in this final battle…

Sincerely,
Harold B. Estes

Personally? I think he raises valid points.

The rest of you? Thoughts?

I don't think he raises valid points. Merely because people died in honorable service at one point or another in US history, does not somehow mean our country is not without its own national faults. He seems just seems to be attempting to use the death of soldiers in wars to push a viewpoint of blind patriotism..... I hate blind patriotism

[Khadgar]

He wants to ban assault weapons, enough said.

He wants to ban assault weapons, enough said.

If that's the case, why'd you have to say it twice.

The dumber a talking point is the more you have to repeat it before people start believing it.

[Len Hyet]

If that's the case, why'd you have to say it twice.

The dumber a talking point is the more you have to repeat it before people start believing it.

I feel like that's something Socrates could have said. Well done sir, well done indeed.

[Ifreann]

Well, Estes died and Obama didn't. I guess that means Obama won.

Obama's taking out 95 year old war vets now? The man's arrogance knows no bounds.. he's just like Stalin.

Death panels dontcha know.

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I think he's an ignorant, stupid old man and it will be for the good of all when he finally gets lowered into the ground.

That would be May of 2011. Though, I don't know if he was buried.

[Tel]

I actually agree on a few of his points. Obama isn't aggressive enough and has been doing far too much ass kissing with China and Russia as of late and getting only belligerence in response, to nobody's surprise. Not even talking about slashing America's military spending across the board, hindering the only thing the country has had going for it for a while.

Edit: Mostly Russia, China can be a pile of jerks but it seems like as trade partners they prefer to avoid confrontation like that. Still happens every once in a while, though.

[Tekania]

Obama's taking out 95 year old war vets now? The man's arrogance knows no bounds.. he's just like Stalin.

Death panels dontcha know.

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I think he's an ignorant, stupid old man and it will be for the good of all when he finally gets lowered into the ground.

That would be May of 2011. Though, I don't know if he was buried.

Obama is single handedly responsible for people dying of old age now, don't-cha know.

[Sand men]

"We’re no longer a Christian nation" is not will not be !

[R Ev0lution]

"We’re no longer a Christian nation" is not will not be !

... Sorry. What?

[Stychia]

My name is Harold Estes, approaching 95 on December 13 of this year. People meeting me for the first time don’t believe my age because I remain wrinkle free and pretty much mentally alert.

I enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1934 and served proudly before, during and after WW II retiring as a Master Chief Bos’n Mate. Now I live in a “rest home” located on the western end of Pearl Harbor , allowing me to keep alive the memories of 23 years of service to my country.

One of the benefits of my age, perhaps the only one, is to speak my mind, blunt and direct even to the head man.

So here goes.

I am amazed, angry and determined not to see my country die before I do, but you seem hell bent not to grant me that wish.

I can’t figure out what country you are the president of.
You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like:

” We’re no longer a Christian nation”
” America is arrogant”

– (Your wife even
announced to the world,” America is mean-spirited. ” Please tell her to try preaching that nonsense to 23 generations of our
war dead buried all over the globe who died for no other reason than to free a whole lot of strangers from tyranny and hopelessness.)

I’d say shame on the both of you, but I don’t think you like America, nor do I see an ounce of gratefulness in anything you do, for the obvious gifts this country has given you. To be without shame or gratefulness is a dangerous thing for a man sitting in the White House.

After 9/11 you said,” America hasn’t lived up to her ideals.”

Which ones did you mean? Was it the notion of personal liberty that 11,000 farmers and shopkeepers died for to win independence from the British? Or maybe the ideal that no man should be a slave to another man, that 500,000 men died for in the Civil War? I hope you didn’t mean the ideal 470,000 fathers, brothers, husbands, and a lot of fellas I knew personally died for in WWII, because we felt real strongly about not letting any nation push us around, because we stand for freedom.

I don’t think you mean the ideal that says equality is better than discrimination. You know the one that a whole lot of white people understood when they helped to get you elected.

Take a little advice from a very old geezer, young man.

Shape up and start acting like an American. If you don’t, I’ll do what I can to see you get shipped out of that fancy rental on Pennsylvania Avenue . You were elected to lead not to bow, apologize and kiss the hands of murderers and corrupt leaders who still treat their people like slaves.

And just who do you think you are telling the American people not to jump to conclusions and condemn that Muslim major who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers and wounded dozens more. You mean you don’t want us to do what you did when that white cop used force to subdue that black college professor in Massachusetts , who was putting up a fight? You don’t mind offending the police calling them stupid but you don’t want us to offend Muslim fanatics by calling them what they are, terrorists.

One more thing. I realize you never served in the military and never had to defend your country with your life, but you’re the Commander-in-Chief now, son. Do your job. When your battle-hardened field General asks you for 40,000 more troops to complete the mission, give them to him. But if you’re not in this fight to win, then get out. The life of one American soldier is not worth the best political strategy you’re thinking of.

You could be our greatest president because you face the greatest challenge ever presented to any president.
You’re not going to restore American greatness by bringing back our bloated economy. That’s not our greatest threat. Losing the heart and soul of who we are as Americans is our big fight now.
And I sure as hell don’t want to think my president is the enemy in this final battle…

Sincerely,
Harold B. Estes

I highlighted the best bits of American exceptionalism, misinformation and double-standards.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

I have a question for Mr. Estes: why does he hate freedom and America so much? Is it because Mr. Obama is black?

[Greater Somalia]

The old man should go back to watching FOX news.