Are you an Atheist or Theist.

[Menassa]

I could drink the water.... or I could drink the high-fat high-sguar high-carb soda.... both result in my stomach being full.

Water=Soda?

I refer you to my edit.

Your honor!
I request a re-post!

[North Stradia]

I'm going to repeat myself here.

Without religion, men and women would enjoy complete equality, gay marriage would be legal, there would be abortion rights, and we wouldn't have religious nuts continuously blocking any and all scientific research because it's "immoral".

Also, we would all have private space shuttles, and vacation homes on terraformed Mars.

And I assume you can prove this because you have irrefutable fact that Religion hindered the growth of humanity.... and by Religion... follow me... I don't just mean the Catholic church *gasp*

Not just the Catholic church.

[Defensor]

So you cannot one positive thing to say about religion?

Then how am I any more blinded than you?

I'm going to repeat myself here.

Without religion, men and women would enjoy complete equality, gay marriage would be legal, there would be abortion rights, and we wouldn't have religious nuts continuously blocking any and all scientific research because it's "immoral".

Also, we would all have private space shuttles, and vacation homes on terraformed Mars.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

So you cannot one positive thing to say about religion?

Then how am I any more blinded than you?

I'm going to repeat myself here.

Without religion, men and women would enjoy complete equality, gay marriage would be legal, there would be abortion rights, and we wouldn't have religious nuts continuously blocking any and all scientific research because it's "immoral".

Also, we would all have private space shuttles, and vacation homes on terraformed Mars.

TL:DR Without religion, people wouldn't act like people.

Sure bro, people have alot more things to hate eachother for than religion.

Hitler didn't need religion and he still made a restrictive hell-hole.

Yes, I used Hitler, it was bound to happen.

[Aleckandor]

It's a time zone thing. Right now it's mostly Americans online.

One such exception being me, from the Far East (the Philippines, to be exact).

I'm son of immigrants from there.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm going to repeat myself here.

Without religion, men and women would enjoy complete equality, gay marriage would be legal, there would be abortion rights, and we wouldn't have religious nuts continuously blocking any and all scientific research because it's "immoral".

Also, we would all have private space shuttles, and vacation homes on terraformed Mars.

And I assume you can prove this because you have irrefutable fact that Religion hindered the growth of humanity.... and by Religion... follow me... I don't just mean the Catholic church *gasp*

The belief in the supernatural is anti-thetical to the scientific approach, and to human solidarity.

[Ostroeuropa]

I refer you to my edit.

Your honor!
I request a re-post!

I have the evidence.
As you said.
That someone has alzheimers does not prevent them from having a healthy heart, to my knowledge. To claim that the heart is healthy as a result of alzheimers would be dubious.
Just like claiming charity works and such are the result of an unjustifiable belief in the supernatural is dubious.

ADDITIONALLY ADDED
If you cannot demonstrate anything positive about the fundamental premise of theism, then on what basis do you differentiate it from your examples?

[North Stradia]

I'm going to repeat myself here.

Without religion, men and women would enjoy complete equality, gay marriage would be legal, there would be abortion rights, and we wouldn't have religious nuts continuously blocking any and all scientific research because it's "immoral".

Also, we would all have private space shuttles, and vacation homes on terraformed Mars.

TL:DR Without religion, people wouldn't act like people.

Sure bro, people have alot more things to hate eachother for than religion.

Hitler didn't need religion and he still made a restrictive hell-hole.

Yes, I used Hitler, it was bound to happen.

*sigh*

[Menassa]

Your honor!
I request a re-post!

I have the evidence.
As you said.
That someone has alzheimers does not prevent them from having a healthy heart, to my knowledge. To claim that the heart is healthy as a result of alzheimers would be dubious.
Just like claiming charity works and such are the result of an unjustifiable belief in the supernatural is dubious.

One is fact.... the other is slightly less of a fact.

[Menassa]

And I assume you can prove this because you have irrefutable fact that Religion hindered the growth of humanity.... and by Religion... follow me... I don't just mean the Catholic church *gasp*

The belief in the supernatural is anti-thetical to the scientific approach, and to human solidarity.

That's just not for this thread.

[Ostroeuropa]

I have the evidence.
As you said.
That someone has alzheimers does not prevent them from having a healthy heart, to my knowledge. To claim that the heart is healthy as a result of alzheimers would be dubious.
Just like claiming charity works and such are the result of an unjustifiable belief in the supernatural is dubious.

One is fact.... the other is slightly less of a fact.

I assume you have evidence of this fact then, because I havn't seen any that shows that religious belief spurs charitable acts in any way that is not accountable for by other factors.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

TL:DR Without religion, people wouldn't act like people.

Sure bro, people have alot more things to hate eachother for than religion.

Hitler didn't need religion and he still made a restrictive hell-hole.

Yes, I used Hitler, it was bound to happen.

*sigh*

As you can see in your NS welcome pamphlet, all users automatically know of Godwin's Law.

As implied by my last sentence in that quote.

[Menassa]

Your honor!
I request a re-post!

I have the evidence.
As you said.
That someone has alzheimers does not prevent them from having a healthy heart, to my knowledge. To claim that the heart is healthy as a result of alzheimers would be dubious.
Just like claiming charity works and such are the result of an unjustifiable belief in the supernatural is dubious.

ADDITIONALLY ADDED
If you cannot demonstrate anything positive about the fundamental premise of theism, then on what basis do you differentiate it from your examples?

You used the word you.... as in referencing me... if anything I say you will twist towards the negative than why even try?

Odds are you've probably heard most things before.

[Central and Eastern Visayas]

I'm going to repeat myself here.

Without religion, men and women would enjoy complete equality, gay marriage would be legal, there would be abortion rights, and we wouldn't have religious nuts continuously blocking any and all scientific research because it's "immoral".

Also, we would all have private space shuttles, and vacation homes on terraformed Mars.

TL:DR Without religion, people wouldn't act like people.

Sure bro, people have alot more things to hate eachother for than religion.

Hitler didn't need religion and he still made a restrictive hell-hole.

Yes, I used Hitler, it was bound to happen.

You could have used Mao, he didn't need religion to kill off more people than Hitler.

[Aleckandor]

TL:DR Without religion, people wouldn't act like people.

Sure bro, people have alot more things to hate eachother for than religion.

Hitler didn't need religion and he still made a restrictive hell-hole.

Yes, I used Hitler, it was bound to happen.

You could have used Mao, he didn't need religion to kill off more people than Hitler.

Was firmly against it, actually.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

TL:DR Without religion, people wouldn't act like people.

Sure bro, people have alot more things to hate eachother for than religion.

Hitler didn't need religion and he still made a restrictive hell-hole.

Yes, I used Hitler, it was bound to happen.

You could have used Mao, he didn't need religion to kill off more people than Hitler.

Point is, religion isn't a requirement for all types of oppression, though it helps.

[Menassa]

One is fact.... the other is slightly less of a fact.

I assume you have evidence of this fact then, because I havn't seen any that shows that religious belief spurs charitable acts in any way that is not accountable for by other factors.

You never said anything about religious beliefs spurring charitable acts... you just said charity may not work

Also I have... but then again... you'd claim it allegory.

[Ostroeuropa]

I have the evidence.
As you said.
That someone has alzheimers does not prevent them from having a healthy heart, to my knowledge. To claim that the heart is healthy as a result of alzheimers would be dubious.
Just like claiming charity works and such are the result of an unjustifiable belief in the supernatural is dubious.

ADDITIONALLY ADDED
If you cannot demonstrate anything positive about the fundamental premise of theism, then on what basis do you differentiate it from your examples?

You used the word you.... as in referencing me... if anything I say you will twist towards the negative than why even try?

Odds are you've probably heard most things before.

You mean am I going to pick up what you say, analzye it for incoherency or inconsistency, then point this out to you?
Yeh.
That's pretty much how Atheism is done.

[Ostroeuropa]

I assume you have evidence of this fact then, because I havn't seen any that shows that religious belief spurs charitable acts in any way that is not accountable for by other factors.

You never said anything about religious beliefs spurring charitable acts... you just said charity may not work

Also I have... but then again... you'd claim it allegory.

So you have no evidence of this fact of yours.

[North Stradia]

You could have used Mao, he didn't need religion to kill off more people than Hitler.

Was firmly against it, actually.

Mao killed for communism, not for atheism.

[Central and Eastern Visayas]

You could have used Mao, he didn't need religion to kill off more people than Hitler.

Point is, religion isn't a requirement for all types of oppression, though it helps.

Or hurts.

[Menassa]

You used the word you.... as in referencing me... if anything I say you will twist towards the negative than why even try?

Odds are you've probably heard most things before.

You mean am I going to pick up what you say, analzye it for incoherency or inconsistency, then point this out to you?
Yeh.
That's pretty much how Atheism is done.

People see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear.
At the risk of sounding like an ignoramus.

[Defensor]

You mean am I going to pick up what you say, analzye it for incoherency or inconsistency, then point this out to you?
Yeh.
That's pretty much how Atheism is done.

People see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear.
At the risk of sounding like an ignoramus.

This is true sadly

[Reggae Magmia]

I'm going to repeat myself here.

Without religion, men and women would enjoy complete equality, gay marriage would be legal, there would be abortion rights, and we wouldn't have religious nuts continuously blocking any and all scientific research because it's "immoral".

Also, we would all have private space shuttles, and vacation homes on terraformed Mars.

That's a pretty big (and quite bigoted) assumption you're making there.

[Menassa]

You never said anything about religious beliefs spurring charitable acts... you just said charity may not work

Also I have... but then again... you'd claim it allegory.

So you have no evidence of this fact of yours.

I'm not making factual claims, it was you who said that no act of charity has ever wholly been inspired by religion.