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Postby Terran Hegemony » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:44 am

Anti-theist. HAd a christian education but grew over it.
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I'm an atheist but not irreligious.

Postby Ashkland » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:45 am

I don't believe in anything supernatural, but I do celebrate holidays/traditions.
So both pretty much.
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Postby Danbershan » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:47 am

Ashkland wrote:I don't believe in anything supernatural, but I do celebrate holidays/traditions.
So both pretty much.


Hell, I celebrate Christmas, just in terms of meeting the family, even though I don't like the presents thing. Doesn't make me religious.

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Postby Chinese Regions » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:47 am

Atheism isn't a religion, theism isn't either they are beliefs that can be held by religions. It's just so happens that many Atheists are irreligious.
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Postby Ashkland » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:51 am

North Stradia wrote:Anti-theist.

Why? I'm an atheist but I think Judaism and Christianity gave humanity a lot. From morality to culture.
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Postby Danbershan » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:53 am

Ashkland wrote:
North Stradia wrote:Anti-theist.

Why? I'm an atheist but I think Judaism and Christianity gave humanity a lot. From morality to culture.


Yeah, I LOVE religions, just don't follow one. (Not sure if I'm Taoist, even so more of a philosophy)

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Postby The Truth and Light » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:56 am

Ashkland wrote:
North Stradia wrote:Anti-theist.

Why? I'm an atheist but I think Judaism and Christianity gave humanity a lot. From morality to culture.

How so?

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Postby Vashtanaraada » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:00 am

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Postby Czechanada » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:00 am

Ashkland wrote:
North Stradia wrote:Anti-theist.

Why? I'm an atheist but I think Judaism and Christianity gave humanity a lot. From morality to culture.


Yes, like patriarchy, anti-science, and love of retribution.
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Postby The USOT » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:00 am

Ashkland wrote:
North Stradia wrote:Anti-theist.

Why? I'm an atheist but I think Judaism and Christianity gave humanity a lot. From morality to culture.

Because history shows that most of our decent morality comes in spite of christianity and judaism.

Several things such as a very strong endorsment of slavery (its not just old testament, but new testament as well) were defended by churches. Quite genuinly, from a religious perspective the anti-slave movement was quite weak theologically compared to the slave advocates who could far more easily go to the Bible for divine support.

In judaism we have the advocacy of mass rape as a reward, a totalitarian dictator who punishes knowledge and in Christianity the new the most evil device in human history. The doctrine of Hell. The most despicable thing to support, and quite simply abhorrant when I find anyone who beleives in hell yet beleives their deity deserves worship.

Doctrines regarding witches and having "no other gods than me" killed a lot of european culture. No im not saying european culture vanished or that the remnants of the old pagan faiths dissapeared, or that even the pagan faiths were good either. But notably these ideas and doctrines permeated the later witchhunts and intolerance which led to the racist variety of slavery we saw later in world history.

In short, christianity and judaism have been a stain on world history. However, that is beside the point. Even IF christianity and judaism did not exist, I would still be anti-theist on grounds that faith as a means to truth is an insult to the world around you, your own intellectual integrity and supports gullibility as a virtue.
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Postby The USOT » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:02 am

Czechanada wrote:
Ashkland wrote:Why? I'm an atheist but I think Judaism and Christianity gave humanity a lot. From morality to culture.


Yes, like patriarchy, anti-science, and love of retribution.

Whilst I agree that it had negative effects for scientific development, i would like to clarify that they were not neccesarily anti-science. The issue with anti-science came largely from the method from which advancement was encouraged. From whithin scholars in the church. On the one hand you did have people who were often dedicated to scientific pursuits, however the structure of the church meant that this knowledge intake was strongly limited to the religious caste.
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Postby Condunum » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:03 am

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Postby Ashkland » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:04 am

The Truth and Light wrote:
Ashkland wrote:Why? I'm an atheist but I think Judaism and Christianity gave humanity a lot. From morality to culture.

How so?

If you say so, I'm pretty sure you didn't read the bible (and yeah, I decided to go and read it),
the most basic: The ten commandments, you know, before those, moral was very low, for example: the Ammons used to sacrifice their first child to the statue-god-like Moloch, as it was their tradition, however after the commandments were spread, it stopped happening.
Now, christianity made the Gregorian Calendar that you are using, and although it is widely known that they were against science in the middle ages, they did develop the math.
Also, Western music and it's notation was founded by the church.

And this is just a very tiny, tiny bit of christianity and judaism's contributions.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:05 am

Ashkland wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:How so?

If you say so, I'm pretty sure you didn't read the bible (and yeah, I decided to go and read it),
the most basic: The ten commandments, you know, before those, moral was very low, for example: the Ammons used to sacrifice their first child to the statue-god-like Moloch, as it was their tradition, however after the commandments were spread, it stopped happening.
Now, christianity made the Gregorian Calendar that you are using, and although it is widely known that they were against science in the middle ages, they did develop the math.
Also, Western music and it's notation was founded by the church.

And this is just a very tiny, tiny bit of christianity and judaism's contributions.

1: Sources would be nice.
2: I think you're confusing something happening while christianity is at large with something happening directly because of christianity.
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Postby Eaischpnaeieacgkque Bhcieaghpodsttditf » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:06 am

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Postby Czechanada » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:06 am

Ashkland wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:How so?

If you say so, I'm pretty sure you didn't read the bible (and yeah, I decided to go and read it),
the most basic: The ten commandments, you know, before those, moral was very low, for example: the Ammons used to sacrifice their first child to the statue-god-like Moloch, as it was their tradition, however after the commandments were spread, it stopped happening.
Now, christianity made the Gregorian Calendar that you are using, and although it is widely known that they were against science in the middle ages, they did develop the math.
Also, Western music and it's notation was founded by the church.

And this is just a very tiny, tiny bit of christianity and judaism's contributions.


Young man, the Muslims did more for math in the Middle Ages. Furthermore, the base 10 calendar developed during the French Revolution is more efficient than the Gregorian Calendar.
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Postby Ashkland » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:34 am

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Ashkland wrote:If you say so, I'm pretty sure you didn't read the bible (and yeah, I decided to go and read it),
the most basic: The ten commandments, you know, before those, moral was very low, for example: the Ammons used to sacrifice their first child to the statue-god-like Moloch, as it was their tradition, however after the commandments were spread, it stopped happening.
Now, christianity made the Gregorian Calendar that you are using, and although it is widely known that they were against science in the middle ages, they did develop the math.
Also, Western music and it's notation was founded by the church.

And this is just a very tiny, tiny bit of christianity and judaism's contributions.

1: Sources would be nice.
2: I think you're confusing something happening while christianity is at large with something happening directly because of christianity.




No. The church people did develop european music in modern sense of the word. Pope Gregory XIII made the gregorian calendar, and
"Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek" Leviticus 18:21
"to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire Molech; which I did not command them, nor did it come into my mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin." Jeremiah 32:35
(Note: Molek, Molech, are other names for Moloch).
"Yes, like patriarchy, anti-science, and love of retribution." - Czechanada.

You know, during the bible's time, patriarchy existed, and were in fact, much more powerful than it was later on (including middle ages).
It was like that nearly everywhere since prehistory.

And religion is not anti-science, though, during Galilei's or Cupernicus's time the catholic church was against those developments, but there were scientists which were themselves religious, and even got rewards from the church, for example Johannes Kepler, he was religious, but a scientist. Also Newton was religious, and the english monarchy gave him a knight title, while the king/queen of the british/english monarchy is the head of the anglican church.

Please please, don't say things you have no idea of.
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Postby Ovisterra » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:35 am

Chinese Regions wrote:Atheism isn't a religion, theism isn't either they are beliefs that can be held by religions. It's just so happens that many Atheists are irreligious.


This. The poll is just stupid.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:36 am

Ashkland wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:1: Sources would be nice.
2: I think you're confusing something happening while christianity is at large with something happening directly because of christianity.




No. The church people did develop european music in modern sense of the word. Pope Gregory XIII made the gregorian calendar, and
"Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek" Leviticus 18:21
"to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire Molech; which I did not command them, nor did it come into my mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin." Jeremiah 32:35
(Note: Molek, Molech, are other names for Moloch).
"Yes, like patriarchy, anti-science, and love of retribution." - Czechanada.

You know, during the bible's time, patriarchy existed, and were in fact, much more powerful than it was later on (including middle ages).
It was like that nearly everywhere since prehistory.

And religion is not anti-science, though, during Galilei's or Cupernicus's time the catholic church was against those developments, but there were scientists which were themselves religious, and even got rewards from the church, for example Johannes Kepler, he was religious, but a scientist. Also Newton was religious, and the english monarchy gave him a knight title, while the king/queen of the british/english monarchy is the head of the anglican church.

Please please, don't say things you have no idea of.

It almost looks like you replied to the wrong person. You see, I asked for a citation and pointed out that something happening while there is christianity is not necessarily happening directly because of christianity, outside of the sense where you may as well blame a butterfly for a hurricane. Many, many other factors. That's just one.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:40 am

Ashkland wrote:Now, christianity made the Gregorian Calendar that you are using, and although it is widely known that they were against science in the middle ages, they did develop the math.
Also, Western music and it's notation was founded by the church.

And this is just a very tiny, tiny bit of christianity and judaism's contributions.

Christianity developed math? So Algebra doesn't exist?
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Postby Ovisterra » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:40 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Multiversal Species Alliance wrote:I'm a Harmonist, so theist.

Whuh? The Elements of Harmony aren't gods...


According to the relevant factbook entry, Harmonism also includes the worship of the Princesses as deities.
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:41 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Multiversal Species Alliance wrote:I'm a Harmonist, so theist.

Whuh? The Elements of Harmony aren't gods...


True. Melody's better anyway. She puts out.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:42 am

Ovisterra wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Whuh? The Elements of Harmony aren't gods...


According to the relevant factbook entry, Harmonism also includes the worship of the Princesses as deities.

Bah, headcanon rejected.
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