Are you an Atheist or Theist.

[Menassa]

So.... you're saying someone who is an anti-theist... is a Racist?

No.
You've misunderstood. On purpose I expect.
Try re-reading your post which I was replying to, then mine.

I had said there is not difference between being Anti-Theism and being Anti-Gay rights (aside from the obvious differences)
You had claimed Theism an Ideology..... I had claimed that it was not just an ideology but a lifestyle.... that's where you lost me.

[Aleckandor]

No, because I haven't made a positive claim.

I think you have... but still I feel we should stop this pointless discussion because now we're just arguing about burden of proof.

And this is where Bacon Tacos come in handy.

Or bonobos, or whatever you full-time NSGers prefer...

[Ostroeuropa]

No.
You've misunderstood. On purpose I expect.
Try re-reading your post which I was replying to, then mine.

I had said there is not difference between being Anti-Theism and being Anti-Gay rights (aside from the obvious differences)
You had claimed Theism an Ideology..... I had claimed that it was not just an ideology but a lifestyle.... that's where you lost me.

In what sense is Racism not a lifestyle, if you are going to throw Theism under that banner.

[Menassa]

I think you have... but still I feel we should stop this pointless discussion because now we're just arguing about burden of proof.

No charitable act is inspired wholly by religion. <-Negative, denial, etc.
Charitable acts can be inspired wholly by religion. <-Positive, affirmation, etc.

"No charitable act is inspired wholly by religion."
Proof?

[Libertarian California]

Apatheist


Although, I've toyed with the idea of making up my own religion. Of course, I'll have no way to prove my deity exists, considering I will have made him/her up. Still, it seems like an interesting idea. Should I do it?

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Apatheist


Although, I've toyed with the idea of making up my own religion. Of course, I'll have no way to prove my deity exists, considering I will have made him/her up. Still, it seems like an interesting idea. Should I do it?

Has that ever been a problem?

[Aleckandor]

Apatheist


Although, I've toyed with the idea of making up my own religion. Of course, I'll have no way to prove my deity exists, considering I will have made him/her up. Still, it seems like an interesting idea. Should I do it?

The Temple Of Wumbology.

Do it. Nao.

[North Stradia]

Apatheist


Although, I've toyed with the idea of making up my own religion. Of course, I'll have no way to prove my deity exists, considering I will have made him/her up. Still, it seems like an interesting idea. Should I do it?

One word: Scientology.

[Libertarian California]

Apatheist


Although, I've toyed with the idea of making up my own religion. Of course, I'll have no way to prove my deity exists, considering I will have made him/her up. Still, it seems like an interesting idea. Should I do it?

Has that ever been a problem?

I don't know. It's not every day someone makes up their own religion.

[Ostroeuropa]

No charitable act is inspired wholly by religion. <-Negative, denial, etc.
Charitable acts can be inspired wholly by religion. <-Positive, affirmation, etc.

"No charitable act is inspired wholly by religion."
Proof?

I do not need to prove it, it is not a positive claim. Thats the point.
It's existence is purely to show the contrast to the other claim, which demonstrates that the only known effects of religion that are wholly attributable to religion are NEGATIVE.
Anything else is just claiming shit without evidence.
If one can claim it, so can the other.
And even though I cannot prove my claim, you COULD prove yours. The default is ALWAYS the negative claim until the positive is proven true.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Has that ever been a problem?

I don't know. It's not every day someone makes up their own religion.

True, sometimes there's a leap year.

[Menassa]

I had said there is not difference between being Anti-Theism and being Anti-Gay rights (aside from the obvious differences)
You had claimed Theism an Ideology..... I had claimed that it was not just an ideology but a lifestyle.... that's where you lost me.

In what sense is Racism not a lifestyle, if you are going to throw Theism under that banner.

So what you're saying ... correct me if I'm wrong:

'Going to church on Sunday instead of work is stupid because there is no evidence for God therefore I'm against it'

Is the same as saying.

'The fact that you despise a race because you feel the are inferior is stupid and I am against it'

[Zweite Alaje]

What is the point of being an anti-theist?

Anyway, I'm personally a sort of Pandeist. Though, I believe that "God" and existence have always been one. So my conception of "God" isn't as a personified deity, but as more of an essence, an "it". I personally don't believe it as a fully sentient being (not in the conventional definition anyway), but something that just does and is.

[Stelarus]

Just curious,
any other Discordians out there? (fnord?)
we'd kinda count as theist? maybe?

[Menassa]

"No charitable act is inspired wholly by religion."
Proof?

I do not need to prove it, it is not a positive claim. Thats the point.
It's existence is purely to show the contrast to the other claim, which demonstrates that the only known effects of religion that are wholly attributable to religion are NEGATIVE.
Anything else is just claiming shit without evidence.
If one can claim it, so can the other.
And even though I cannot prove my claim, you COULD prove yours. The default is ALWAYS the negative claim until the positive is proven true.

You made a claim... back it up... if you want... I'll let you again restate your claim in the positive... then back it up.

[Aleckandor]

What is the point of being an anti-theist?

Anyway, I'm personally a sort of Pandeist. Though, I believe that "God" and existence have always been one. So my conception of "God" isn't as a personified deity, but as more of an essence, an "it". I personally don't believe it as a fully sentient being (not in the conventional definition anyway), but something that just does and is.

Robot Krabs. *Nods*

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Yes he is, unfortunately.

You must be new here. Pruss The Infamous is, well, infamous, for comments like that.

In my ten days on NSG I've met more fascists (about 20) than I have in all my life (about 2).

Technically, I am a Falangist — Falangism is a conservative, more capitalistic (non-Fascist, really) version of Fascism.

If religion had never existed, I'd have a vacation home on Mars and a private space shuttle right now.

He is referring to the “Christian” Dark Ages, which set humanity back in the sciences big-time.

[Ostroeuropa]

In what sense is Racism not a lifestyle, if you are going to throw Theism under that banner.

So what you're saying ... correct me if I'm wrong:

'Going to church on Sunday instead of work is stupid because there is no evidence for God therefore I'm against it'

Is the same as saying.

'The fact that you despise a race because you feel the are inferior is stupid and I am against it'

No, i'm saying that if going to church on sunday because you believe in the teachings without evidence is a lifestyle, then in what sense is a fascist rally any different and not a lifestyle.
I'm not equating them morally. I'm equating them practically.
The fact is, the IDEOLOGY is abhorrent.

[Libertarian California]

I don't know. It's not every day someone makes up their own religion.

True, sometimes there's a leap year.

I don't get what you're saying.

[Ostroeuropa]

I do not need to prove it, it is not a positive claim. Thats the point.
It's existence is purely to show the contrast to the other claim, which demonstrates that the only known effects of religion that are wholly attributable to religion are NEGATIVE.
Anything else is just claiming shit without evidence.
If one can claim it, so can the other.
And even though I cannot prove my claim, you COULD prove yours. The default is ALWAYS the negative claim until the positive is proven true.

You made a claim... back it up... if you want... I'll let you again restate your claim in the positive... then back it up.

You've utterly failed to understand how this works.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_hypothesis

[Reggae Magmia]

Apatheist


Although, I've toyed with the idea of making up my own religion. Of course, I'll have no way to prove my deity exists, considering I will have made him/her up. Still, it seems like an interesting idea. Should I do it?

Even if you don't choose to follow it, it's quite interesting. I did it when I was younger but never "converted".

It was a religion based on the four elements. The four corners of the world are divided into tribes, each corner having its own element, and a god to represent the element. There would be eternal war until one element god and its tribe conquers the rest.
I never developed it past that but now I think I'm going to start it up again, just for the hell of it.

I would say you should, just for the fun of it, or take it seriously if you wish. But the process is interesting.

[Aleckandor]

True, sometimes there's a leap year.

I don't get what you're saying.

He thinks that somebody makes up their own religion every day of the year. Funny, but still an exaggeration.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

I don't get what you're saying.

He thinks that somebody makes up their own religion every day of the year. Funny, but still an exaggeration.

Lets just say I'm being a devout member of the Church of Ass on that post.

[Menassa]

So what you're saying ... correct me if I'm wrong:

'Going to church on Sunday instead of work is stupid because there is no evidence for God therefore I'm against it'

Is the same as saying.

'The fact that you despise a race because you feel the are inferior is stupid and I am against it'

No, i'm saying that if going to church on sunday because you believe in the teachings without evidence is a lifestyle, then in what sense is a fascist rally any different and not a lifestyle.
I'm not equating them morally. I'm equating them practically.
The fact is, the IDEOLOGY is abhorrent.

Then you've a problem against the lack of evidence... so don't be Anti Theist... be Anti-lack-of-evidence... it doesn't have a nice ring to it but it's still better to be true.

If I were to say I was Anti Atheist... we would (or should) be having an argument over objective morality.

[Aleckandor]

He thinks that somebody makes up their own religion every day of the year. Funny, but still an exaggeration.

Lets just say I'm being a devout member of the Church of Ass on that post.

I've considered converting.