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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:58 am

http://www.toledoblade.com/Education/20 ... staff.html

Montpelier school board approves carrying of handguns by custodial staff
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MONTPELIER, Ohio - The Montpelier Exempted Village Schools Board of Education has approved the carrying of handguns by its custodial staff.

The 5-0 vote of the board Wednesday night to allow handgun training for four custodians to be able to tote weapons at the K-12 campus at the Williams County school came after last month's deadly shooting rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut.

School officials say that having armed personnel - believed to be the first for any school system in Ohio - is designed to thwart incidents of violence and prevent what happened in Newtown, Conn., from occurring here.

"Sitting back and doing nothing and hoping it doesn't happen to you is just not good policy anymore. There is a need for schools to beef up their security measures," Supertendent Jamie Grime told The Blade today. "Having guns in the hands of the right people are not a hindrance. They are a means to protect."

School board President Larry Martin said that while the school distict began looking into arming employees about six months ago, the board didn't announce the concept publicly until Wednesday's monthly meeting.

He said the Dec. 14 massacre of 20 children and six staff at Sandy Hook heightened the decision to put the resolution on the board agenda.

"Our main goal is to offer safety for our students while they are in the classrooms and in the buiding," Mr. Martin said. "We have to do something and this seems like the most logical, reasonable course to go with."

Before voting on the resolution, which was approved 5-0, village Police Chief Jeffrey Lehman met with the board and superintendent in executive session to provide advice, suggestions, and his professional opinion, said Mr. Martin, a school board member for 20 years.

School officials also reviewed the resolution with the district's Cincinnati-based law firm, Ennis, Roberts, and Fischer, LPA, to determine whether gun possession by janitors in the classroom is legal under the state's concealed-carry license law.

Mr. Grime said their legal counsel advised that Ohio's gun law allows for school boards to authorize employees to possess weapons on school grounds if they pass the requirements of the concealed-carry law.

The school district will pay for the employees to undergo a two-day training class in mid March, when instructors with the Tactical Defense Institute of West Union, Ohio, will give them a defense class on handgun use in Montpelier.


I thought this was a joke...I had to double check to make sure but it seems its legit.

I shit you not...this schoolboard is going to arm its janitors...

My first thought after thinking it was a joke was that this would be an incident waiting to happen.

Then I realised that in fact this is totally in line with the current reality being played out ala wild west/cow boy tough guys blah blah blah

So the question is twofold...

How can this be considered a realistic proposition and of course how long until the schoolboard is voted out?
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:00 pm

As if janitors weren't already dangerous enough...
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Postby Saruhan » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:00 pm

Well, at least it might make the children think twice before littering....
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Postby Tyrants » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:00 pm

Yes, because what American schools need are more guns...
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:02 pm

Kids will think twice before making a mess in the hallways now.
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Postby Condunum » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:02 pm

Ifreann wrote:As if janitors weren't already dangerous enough...

Anecdotal evidence as it may be, the janitors in every school I went to got along with the kids well enough that they offered protection from harassment and such.
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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:02 pm

Tyrants wrote:Yes, because what American schools need are more guns...


and people wielding them with only two days training...

fucking awesome
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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:03 pm

I feel a remake of the Magnificent Seven coming along shortly...
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:03 pm

Condunum wrote:
Ifreann wrote:As if janitors weren't already dangerous enough...

Anecdotal evidence as it may be, the janitors in every school I went to got along with the kids well enough that they offered protection from harassment and such.

I base my reasoning on Scrubs.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:04 pm

As a former custodial engineer and the son of a custodial engineer, I both approve of this, because fuck those ruffians who mess up the damnable halls, and disapprove of this, because I know first hand how fucked up custodial engineers tend to be.

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Postby Condunum » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:06 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Condunum wrote:Anecdotal evidence as it may be, the janitors in every school I went to got along with the kids well enough that they offered protection from harassment and such.

I base my reasoning on Scrubs.

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Postby Stonec » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:06 pm

This machine kills that little fucking sixth grader who always drops his goddamn candy bar wrapper in front of my fucking face whenever I walk past.

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Postby Olthar » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:07 pm

I don't know how much help this would have been in my high school. There, the janitors only came out to clean after school hours. Like vampires of cleanliness.
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Postby Tyrants » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:08 pm

I can't wait to see the local adverts for this.

"Hey you!"
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Yes, you! Having trouble finding a weapon to conduct your mass shooting with?
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Well, good news! Your local janitor has a gun securely locked away in his closet, between the torch and the Playboy. Now all your mass-shooting problems are sorted.
Thanks. I'll look there right away.
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Postby Olthar » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:11 pm

Tyrants wrote:I can't wait to see the local adverts for this.

"Hey you!"
"Who, me?"
Yes, you! Having trouble finding a weapon to conduct your mass shooting with?
"Yes, I am."
Well, good news! Your local janitor has a gun securely locked away in his closet, between the torch and the Playboy. Now all your mass-shooting problems are sorted.
Thanks. I'll look there right away.

Pretty sure most school shooters get the guns from parents and other family members, and such would still likely be easier than robbing the janitor.
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Postby The Corparation » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:11 pm

Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:
Tyrants wrote:Yes, because what American schools need are more guns...


and people wielding them with only two days training...

fucking awesome

While I personally don't care whether or not there is an armed staff member or two on campus. They should at least have more than two days of training. My High-school had a full time cop on campus, and I personally don't see that big a problem in having one a high schools and larger middle-schools. They've been trained for far more then just two days.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:12 pm

Olthar wrote:I don't know how much help this would have been in my high school. There, the janitors only came out to clean after school hours. Like vampires of cleanliness.

Where they also unnaturally beautiful and sparkly in sunlight?
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Postby Ceannairceach » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:13 pm

Olthar wrote:
Tyrants wrote:I can't wait to see the local adverts for this.

"Hey you!"
"Who, me?"
Yes, you! Having trouble finding a weapon to conduct your mass shooting with?
"Yes, I am."
Well, good news! Your local janitor has a gun securely locked away in his closet, between the torch and the Playboy. Now all your mass-shooting problems are sorted.
Thanks. I'll look there right away.

Pretty sure most school shooters get the guns from parents and other family members, and such would still likely be easier than robbing the janitor.

As a former custodial engineer, I highly doubt it. Most of my facilities, for example, were either unlocked or otherwise extremely easy to access without the key. It wouldn't be safe to leave a gun in the school I worked at, surely. I'd assume its the same, or worse, in schools of the same caliber or less.

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Postby North Calaveras » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:13 pm

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Olthar wrote:Pretty sure most school shooters get the guns from parents and other family members, and such would still likely be easier than robbing the janitor.

As a former custodial engineer, I highly doubt it. Most of my facilities, for example, were either unlocked or otherwise extremely easy to access without the key. It wouldn't be safe to leave a gun in the school I worked at, surely. I'd assume its the same, or worse, in schools of the same caliber or less.


I highly doubt janitors with firearms will leave their weapons out and if they do that's a case of neglect.
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Postby Olthar » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:15 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Olthar wrote:I don't know how much help this would have been in my high school. There, the janitors only came out to clean after school hours. Like vampires of cleanliness.

Where they also unnaturally beautiful and sparkly in sunlight?

I dunno. I didn't really spend my time hanging out in school after hours. :p
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Postby Falcania » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:15 pm

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Postby Ceannairceach » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:16 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:As a former custodial engineer, I highly doubt it. Most of my facilities, for example, were either unlocked or otherwise extremely easy to access without the key. It wouldn't be safe to leave a gun in the school I worked at, surely. I'd assume its the same, or worse, in schools of the same caliber or less.


I highly doubt janitors with firearms will leave their weapons out and if they do that's a case of neglect.

My point is that custodial facilities are extremely poor. They can be accessed without much hassle by a determinated person. As someone who forgets his keys often, trust me, I know.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:16 pm

So, we're going to put guns where little dipshits can grope at them.

Nice firearm safety, peeps.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:17 pm

Olthar wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Where they also unnaturally beautiful and sparkly in sunlight?

I dunno. I didn't really spend my time hanging out in school after hours. :p

Not even to investigate the cleanpires? Have you no sense of curiosity?


The Emerald Dawn wrote:So, we're going to put guns where little dipshits can grope at them.

Nice firearm safety, peeps.

Well obviously the kids need to be able to get at the guns, too.
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Postby North Calaveras » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:18 pm

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North Calaveras wrote:
I highly doubt janitors with firearms will leave their weapons out and if they do that's a case of neglect.

My point is that custodial facilities are extremely poor. They can be accessed without much hassle by a determinated person. As someone who forgets his keys often, trust me, I know.


I'm sure they will have to keep them in a saftey with a lock, not something that can just be opend and grabbed by a kid that's all im trying to say.
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