The Jewish Question

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You say that yet, here you are, not posting about the topic in question. Mhm.

yes. probably shouldn't be doing this. you're infectious.

Don't blame me for your lack of posting control.

Now, shoo.

[Ralkovia]

You say that yet, here you are, not posting about the topic in question. Mhm.

yes. probably shouldn't be doing this. you're infectious.

Are you hear for any other reason than your fixation on me and Nana?

[Ostroeuropa]

You could blame the babylonians, I suppose.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Or by the most base and racist Jewish racial stereotypes.

The Germans truthfully had no way of knowing. Hence why they relied so heavily on Temple Membership Lists and Collaborators.

The Germans did not go around shooting people with big noses. They could target only the most stereotypical of Jews, who wore all the clothing that made them a Jew.

You're probably right. I just had this image in my head of all those old propaganda posters in the history books, with evil-looking Jews with gigantic noses about to strangle a baby or something, and thought that was an actual part of the ID policy.
I'm probably wrong on that.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You could blame the babylonians, I suppose.

Now you're going way back.

[Souseiseki]

Now, shoo.

you, like, don't own this thread man

Are you hear for any other reason than your fixation on me and Nana?

didn't i post in this thread before both of you?

here.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The Germans truthfully had no way of knowing. Hence why they relied so heavily on Temple Membership Lists and Collaborators.

The Germans did not go around shooting people with big noses. They could target only the most stereotypical of Jews, who wore all the clothing that made them a Jew.

You're probably right. I just had this image in my head of all those old propaganda posters in the history books, with evil-looking Jews with gigantic noses about to strangle a baby or something, and thought that was an actual part of the ID policy.
I'm probably wrong on that.

Most propaganda like that is, in retrospect and if you watch it closely, quite hilarious in a sad way. It just perpetuate stereotypes.

Take a look at Russian Cold War anti-US propaganda and you'll see what I mean.

[Ralkovia]

The Germans truthfully had no way of knowing. Hence why they relied so heavily on Temple Membership Lists and Collaborators.

The Germans did not go around shooting people with big noses. They could target only the most stereotypical of Jews, who wore all the clothing that made them a Jew.

You're probably right. I just had this image in my head of all those old propaganda posters in the history books, with evil-looking Jews with gigantic noses about to strangle a baby or something, and thought that was an actual part of the ID policy.
I'm probably wrong on that.

The Germans had huge boners for Darwin and Pseudo-Science. The made exceptions for half-Jews who were non-practicing. Basically as long as you weren't a practicing Jew the Germans had no way of knowing other than with collaborators.

[Ostroeuropa]

The Germans truthfully had no way of knowing. Hence why they relied so heavily on Temple Membership Lists and Collaborators.

The Germans did not go around shooting people with big noses. They could target only the most stereotypical of Jews, who wore all the clothing that made them a Jew.

You're probably right. I just had this image in my head of all those old propaganda posters in the history books, with evil-looking Jews with gigantic noses about to strangle a baby or something, and thought that was an actual part of the ID policy.
I'm probably wrong on that.

If I was Jewish in nazi germany I'd try and con my way across the border on that assumption probably.
"I'm german and your saying i'm jewish? Do you SEE a huge hook nose and curls? What are you implying? Germans look like Jews? Thats borderline treason!"
Worth a shot at least.

[Ralkovia]

You're probably right. I just had this image in my head of all those old propaganda posters in the history books, with evil-looking Jews with gigantic noses about to strangle a baby or something, and thought that was an actual part of the ID policy.
I'm probably wrong on that.

If I was Jewish in nazi germany I'd try and con my way across the border on that assumption probably.
"I'm german and your saying i'm jewish? Do you SEE a huge hook nose and curls? What are you implying? Germans look like Jews? Thats borderline treason!"
Worth a shot at least.

The Germans actually relied heavily on self-reporting for Jews they couldn't distinguish. If you weren't a practicing Jew but had Jewish blood in you, you applied for basically a chance to stay in Germany. The Germans kept pretty strict records.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

If I was Jewish in nazi germany I'd try and con my way across the border on that assumption probably.
"I'm german and your saying i'm jewish? Do you SEE a huge hook nose and curls? What are you implying? Germans look like Jews? Thats borderline treason!"
Worth a shot at least.

The Germans actually relied heavily on self-reporting for Jews they couldn't distinguish. If you weren't a practicing Jew but had Jewish blood in you, you applied for basically a chance to stay in Germany. The Germans kept pretty strict records.

Like witchcraft reporting. I wonder how many non-Jewish people fell into the clutches of the SS just on self-reports.

[Ostroeuropa]

If I was Jewish in nazi germany I'd try and con my way across the border on that assumption probably.
"I'm german and your saying i'm jewish? Do you SEE a huge hook nose and curls? What are you implying? Germans look like Jews? Thats borderline treason!"
Worth a shot at least.

The Germans actually relied heavily on self-reporting for Jews they couldn't distinguish. If you weren't a practicing Jew but had Jewish blood in you, you applied for basically a chance to stay in Germany. The Germans kept pretty strict records.

I wouldn't want to stay unless I had time for sobre reflection, then i'd go get a job somewhere where I can sit out the war being borderline incompetent and trying to both avoid war and producing anything useful for the nazis.
Maybe try active sabotage or undermining, but probably not. It's easier to just be an incompetent fuckup and casually undermine.
But thats only being sobre. At the time i'd probably be scared and determined to get out of dodge

[The Tiger Kingdom]

If I was Jewish in nazi germany I'd try and con my way across the border on that assumption probably.
"I'm german and your saying i'm jewish? Do you SEE a huge hook nose and curls? What are you implying? Germans look like Jews? Thats borderline treason!"
Worth a shot at least.

The Germans actually relied heavily on self-reporting for Jews they couldn't distinguish. If you weren't a practicing Jew but had Jewish blood in you, you applied for basically a chance to stay in Germany. The Germans kept pretty strict records.

It makes me sick to think about it, honestly.

[Ralkovia]

The Germans actually relied heavily on self-reporting for Jews they couldn't distinguish. If you weren't a practicing Jew but had Jewish blood in you, you applied for basically a chance to stay in Germany. The Germans kept pretty strict records.

Like witchcraft reporting. I wonder how many non-Jewish people fell into the clutches of the SS just on self-reports.

Many. It wasn't obvious what the Germans were doing. Most saw Hitler as a hero who was doing what was best for Germany. They had no idea what was waiting for them.

[Ostroeuropa]

The Germans actually relied heavily on self-reporting for Jews they couldn't distinguish. If you weren't a practicing Jew but had Jewish blood in you, you applied for basically a chance to stay in Germany. The Germans kept pretty strict records.

It makes me sick to think about it, honestly.

It's why people do this whenever someone proposes we keep records on groups of people.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

The Germans actually relied heavily on self-reporting for Jews they couldn't distinguish. If you weren't a practicing Jew but had Jewish blood in you, you applied for basically a chance to stay in Germany. The Germans kept pretty strict records.

I wouldn't want to stay unless I had time for sobre reflection, then i'd go get a job somewhere where I can sit out the war being borderline incompetent and trying to both avoid war and producing anything useful for the nazis.
Maybe try active sabotage or undermining, but probably not. It's easier to just be an incompetent fuckup and casually undermine.
But thats only being sobre. At the time i'd probably be scared and determined to get out of dodge

How much were Jews actually used for slave labor? I thought that was much more common with conscripts from the conquered countries.
Booking it for Sweden would likely be far safer an idea.

[Souseiseki]

It makes me sick to think about it, honestly.

It's why people do this whenever someone proposes we keep records on groups of people.

hey, at least the french census seems to have clued on

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Like witchcraft reporting. I wonder how many non-Jewish people fell into the clutches of the SS just on self-reports.

Many. It wasn't obvious what the Germans were doing. Most saw Hitler as a hero who was doing what was best for Germany. They had no idea what was waiting for them.

Hitler knew what chords to strike to sway Germany to his cause. The man was very intelligent. Sadly, that was an intelligence in the service of 'evil'. That's the only way I can describe Hitler.

And the whole state machine going on, including a religion of the Third Reich... I've seen a few documentaries that chill my blood.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

It makes me sick to think about it, honestly.

It's why people do this whenever someone proposes we keep records on groups of people.

Well, when it's taken to the extreme of "We need to not fill out our census info because Obama gon arrest us" like back in '10, it gets silly.
But there is a tiny grain of truth there that there can be potential for tyranny if taken too far.

[Ralkovia]

I wouldn't want to stay unless I had time for sobre reflection, then i'd go get a job somewhere where I can sit out the war being borderline incompetent and trying to both avoid war and producing anything useful for the nazis.
Maybe try active sabotage or undermining, but probably not. It's easier to just be an incompetent fuckup and casually undermine.
But thats only being sobre. At the time i'd probably be scared and determined to get out of dodge

How much were Jews actually used for slave labor? I thought that was much more common with conscripts from the conquered countries.
Booking it for Sweden would likely be far safer an idea.

Many Jews were. Mostly menial labor. My grandfather was moved to Maly Trostenets where he dug up bodies as the soviets advanced so the Germans could burn them.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Many. It wasn't obvious what the Germans were doing. Most saw Hitler as a hero who was doing what was best for Germany. They had no idea what was waiting for them.

Hitler knew what chords to strike to sway Germany to his cause. The man was very intelligent. Sadly, that was an intelligence in the service of 'evil'. That's the only way I can describe Hitler.

And the whole state machine going on, including a religion of the Third Reich... I've seen a few documentaries that chill my blood.

An interesting note: the Pope who was in office when Hitler first took Power, Pius XI, was completely convinced that Hitler was possessed by a demon, hence his oratorical power. He actually tried exorcising Hitler several times from a distance. He was also convinced that Nazism and Communism were equally evil, unlike his successor.
Could've used him a bit more than Pius XII, honestly.

[Ostroeuropa]

Hitler knew what chords to strike to sway Germany to his cause. The man was very intelligent. Sadly, that was an intelligence in the service of 'evil'. That's the only way I can describe Hitler.

And the whole state machine going on, including a religion of the Third Reich... I've seen a few documentaries that chill my blood.

An interesting note: the Pope who was in office when Hitler first took Power, Pius XI, was completely convinced that Hitler was possessed by a demon, hence his oratorical power. He actually tried exorcising Hitler several times from a distance. He was also convinced that Nazism and Communism were equally evil, unlike his successor.
Could've used him a bit more than Pius XII, honestly.

Well it's like Hitchens said.
"In order to be a catholic you have to believe god chose a pro-nazi pope days after an anti-nazi pope died, and only a few years before the beginning of world war two. Ok. You are welcome to believe it. More fool you."

[The Tiger Kingdom]

An interesting note: the Pope who was in office when Hitler first took Power, Pius XI, was completely convinced that Hitler was possessed by a demon, hence his oratorical power. He actually tried exorcising Hitler several times from a distance. He was also convinced that Nazism and Communism were equally evil, unlike his successor.
Could've used him a bit more than Pius XII, honestly.

Well it's like Hitchens said.
"In order to be a catholic you have to believe god chose a pro-nazi pope days after an anti-nazi pope died, and only a few years before the beginning of world war two. Ok. You are welcome to believe it. More fool you."

Actually less than a year - XI died in February, war starts in September.
...I miss Hitch.

[Ostroeuropa]

Well it's like Hitchens said.
"In order to be a catholic you have to believe god chose a pro-nazi pope days after an anti-nazi pope died, and only a few years before the beginning of world war two. Ok. You are welcome to believe it. More fool you."

Actually less than a year - XI died in February, war starts in September.
...I miss Hitch.

Doho, even better And yeh me too.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Hitler knew what chords to strike to sway Germany to his cause. The man was very intelligent. Sadly, that was an intelligence in the service of 'evil'. That's the only way I can describe Hitler.

And the whole state machine going on, including a religion of the Third Reich... I've seen a few documentaries that chill my blood.

An interesting note: the Pope who was in office when Hitler first took Power, Pius XI, was completely convinced that Hitler was possessed by a demon, hence his oratorical power. He actually tried exorcising Hitler several times from a distance. He was also convinced that Nazism and Communism were equally evil, unlike his successor.
Could've used him a bit more than Pius XII, honestly.

The fuck? I sometimes wonder if Pope Pius XI had a few screws lose. I've heard stories...

I must say, though, that at least he was very worried about German Catholics and the blind eye many of the turned to the plight of the Jews. He called it ''the conspiracy of silence''.