Ban on "assault weapons" and/or high capacity magazines?

[Alekera]

Not one I would want to show... But I can tell you it has a Mako rail handguard, a ATI collapsible stock, and a Sightmark holographic sight. It might not sound like alot of work on paper, but believe me, screwing on that Mako handguard was a SOB.

I feel as though this thread has just about ran its course, so I won't bother with spoilers. Here's mine:

The first picture looks like you dragged it to Hell and back lol.

[Spreewerke]

are they the same rifle cause one looks way cleaner ha and what model is that?

They are the same. One was just taken after a cleaning and the other was taken at the conclusion of a "hike."

It is an Arsenal, Inc. SGL 21-94.

Accessories are as follows:

• Romanian OD canvas sling
• Ultimak M1-B gas tube rail
• AimPoint Micro H1 2.0MOA red dot
• VLTOR SMQ-OCG quick-release 30mm off-set mount
• SureFire 6PX Pro dual-illumination flashlight
• CNC Warrior four-slot Bulgarian-pattern flash hider

[North Calaveras]

are they the same rifle cause one looks way cleaner ha and what model is that?

They are the same. One was just taken after a cleaning and the other was taken at the conclusion of a "hike."

It is an Arsenal, Inc. SGL 21-94.

Accessories are as follows:

• Romanian OD canvas sling
• Ultimak M1-B gas tube rail
• AimPoint Micro H1 2.0MOA red dot
• VLTOR SMQ-OCG quick-release 30mm off-set mount
• SureFire 6PX Pro dual-illumination flashlight
• CNC Warrior four-slot Bulgarian-pattern flash hider

Very pretty rifle, I also like the top picture, all dirty and in the AK's element.

See I want four guns

Springfield XD Sub-Compact 9mm(Concealed carry)
beretta px storm 45. ( home defense as well as SHTF scenario)
KSG-12 (Home Defense as well as a quick-to-grab survivalist shotgun, mostly because i can load one tube with bird and the other with buck)
AK-101/SCAR-17/AR-15 or something similar for fun as well as SHTF, might even try to hunt with it to.

[Choronzon]

I've always been a shotgun gun. I really like pump action shotguns.

I'm being totally serious.

[Alekera]

are they the same rifle cause one looks way cleaner ha and what model is that?

They are the same. One was just taken after a cleaning and the other was taken at the conclusion of a "hike."

It is an Arsenal, Inc. SGL 21-94.

Accessories are as follows:

• Romanian OD canvas sling
• Ultimak M1-B gas tube rail
• AimPoint Micro H1 2.0MOA red dot
• VLTOR SMQ-OCG quick-release 30mm off-set mount
• SureFire 6PX Pro dual-illumination flashlight
• CNC Warrior four-slot Bulgarian-pattern flash hider

is that stock fixed or one of those $300 looka-like-a-fixed-stock-folding-stocks

[Alekera]

I'm thinking my next rifle (if the AWB isn't passed) is either going to be a Saiga 308, PSL, Vepr 7.62x54R, or possibly (if finances permit) PTR-91.

[Spreewerke]

They are the same. One was just taken after a cleaning and the other was taken at the conclusion of a "hike."

It is an Arsenal, Inc. SGL 21-94.

Accessories are as follows:

• Romanian OD canvas sling
• Ultimak M1-B gas tube rail
• AimPoint Micro H1 2.0MOA red dot
• VLTOR SMQ-OCG quick-release 30mm off-set mount
• SureFire 6PX Pro dual-illumination flashlight
• CNC Warrior four-slot Bulgarian-pattern flash hider

is that stock fixed or one of those $300 looka-like-a-fixed-stock-folding-stocks

It is a current-issue, Russian-made AK-100 series side-folding stock.

[Azrael]

Just make bullets ridiculously expensive.

Won't work, people already make their own ammo.

It was supposed to be a joke, but whatever.

[North Calaveras]

Won't work, people already make their own ammo.

It was supposed to be a joke, but whatever.

hilarious...

[Azrael]

It was supposed to be a joke, but whatever.

hilarious...

Satire.

[The Black Forrest]

Just make bullets ridiculously expensive.

Won't work, people already make their own ammo.

how about if you make the ingredients obscenely expensive?

[Defensor]

Why do you say that? The 7.62x39mm round is an effective round for deer and other medium size game.

Its shooting fish in a barrel, over kill.

Lol no. 7.62x39mm is not overkill for hunting. If anything it's subpar. You really need to brush up on your weapons knowledge...

[Paddy O Fernature]

Won't work, people already make their own ammo.

how about if you make the ingredients obscenely expensive?

I will still make/cast my own.

[Gauthier]

Won't work, people already make their own ammo.

how about if you make the ingredients obscenely expensive?

Slap taxes on propellant like they were tobacco.

[Omnicidal Maniacs]

I haven't backread, and I'm not going to (my last post was on page 10), but something just occurred to me:

Who gets murdered?

Who does the murdering?

Usually (I'll say in the overwhelming majority of cases) the killer and the killed have a connection. A bad connection. It is incredibly rare (relative to the number of killings) that a random person is killed.

Bangers kill bangers. Don't want to be killed? Don't be a banger.

Abusive spouses kill spouses. Don't want to be killed by an abusive spouse? Leave. If you're too stupid to leave an abusive spouse and you get killed, call it Natural Selection.

Traffickers and smugglers kill other traffickers and smugglers. Don't want to be killed? Don't traffick or smuggle.

It's one hell of a cold perspective, but most gun murder "victims" are into stupid shit that can get them killed. I do not lament their loss. I really don't. If someone wants to get involved in something stupid and dangerous, or if someone is too stupid to get out of a dangerous situation, then good riddance.

It’s like seatbelt laws; if you’re too stupid to use one, good riddance to you.

Same with helmet laws.

I'm tired of stupid "Humans." The fewer the better.

An "assault weapons" ban is just plain stupid. Guns fire bullets. All guns fire bullets. Any kind of standard bullet can kill. I think I have already mentioned that Sandy Hook could have been done with a shitty revolver chambered for .22 LR ammunition and a few speedloaders in his pocket.

Don't make daddy drink milk for supper because baby can't eat steak.

Guns (or "assault weapons") don't cause the occasional mass shooting. Omnicidal maniacs do. Well, not this omnicidal maniac, anyway.

[Bafuria]

Neither gang shootings nor Intimate partner homicides make up the majority of murders.
Most murders are committed in the heat of the moment during petty arguments.

They usually go something like this:

"Your dog keep shitting on my lawn Russel!"
"Fuck you!"
"Oh yeah? POP! POP!"

Some could argue that gun ownership was the cause, and technically it is.
But not all gun owners are the same. Of the ~460,000 CHL holders in Texas, only 4 comitted a murder in 2011. None of which were committed in the heat of the moment.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/Re ... rt2011.pdf

In contrast, murderers generally have a criminal record.

[Northern Dominus]

Neither gang shootings nor Intimate partner homicides make up the majority of murders.
Most murders are committed in the heat of the moment during petty arguments.

They usually go something like this:

"Your dog keep shitting on my lawn Russel!"
"Fuck you!"
"Oh yeah? POP! POP!"

Some could argue that gun ownership was the cause, and technically it is.
But not all gun owners are the same. Of the ~460,000 CHL holders in Texas, only 4 comitted a murder in 2011. None of which were committed in the heat of the moment.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/Re ... rt2011.pdf

In contrast, murderers generally have a criminal record.

Correction: gang shootings and intimate partner homicides don't make up the majority of recorded murders. That leaves a lot of room for unsolved homicides or attempted homicides with no leads.

Oh and gangs never have assault rifles, obviously. Photographic evidence to the contrary.

http://www.samfaulkner.co.uk/gallery/la ... 06_006.jpg

So, unreported homicides plus gang members with military-pattern weapons potentially equals what people?

[Omnicidal Maniacs]

OK. I stand corrected. Provided that the author(s) did some real research an didn't get the numbers from a solitary source.

Also, that reads to me as a report on conviction rates in Texas. A) That's only the convictions, and B) Texas is not the entire country.

But I will happily say good riddance about jerkoffs who can't control their emotions and get into petty arguments then kill or get killed.

Insofar as "assault weapons" are concerned, what national percentage of gun homicides involve those? I have always been under the impression that the majority of gun killings involve pistols.

I should look that up. Provided that anyone compiles unbiased and honest statistics on that.

[Zonolia]

Why not 'control' guns from the other end of the deal and just make punishments for gun-related crime worse?

That and possible mandatory sanity checks upon purchase...

[Vitaphone Racing]

Why not 'control' guns from the other end of the deal and just make punishments for gun-related crime worse?

Deterrent based punishment hasn't worked to this day.

Since I'll inevitably be asked for a source: http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/De ... ing%20.pdf

[Samozaryadnyastan]

OK. I stand corrected. Provided that the author(s) did some real research an didn't get the numbers from a solitary source.

Also, that reads to me as a report on conviction rates in Texas. A) That's only the convictions, and B) Texas is not the entire country.

But I will happily say good riddance about jerkoffs who can't control their emotions and get into petty arguments then kill or get killed.

Insofar as "assault weapons" are concerned, what national percentage of gun homicides involve those? I have always been under the impression that the majority of gun killings involve pistols.

I should look that up. Provided that anyone compiles unbiased and honest statistics on that.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcassaul.html
Don't know about the bias of it.
I just remember it being cited on Cracked's article on weird gun myths.

[Yes Im Biop]

what's an assault weapon?

In my terms, any weapon that can hold more than 6 bullets at a time.

So anything more modern then a Single Action Revolver... Actually there are old very ole black powder cartridges that hold 20

[Omnicidal Maniacs]

OK. I stand corrected. Provided that the author(s) did some real research an didn't get the numbers from a solitary source.

Also, that reads to me as a report on conviction rates in Texas. A) That's only the convictions, and B) Texas is not the entire country.

But I will happily say good riddance about jerkoffs who can't control their emotions and get into petty arguments then kill or get killed.

Insofar as "assault weapons" are concerned, what national percentage of gun homicides involve those? I have always been under the impression that the majority of gun killings involve pistols.

I should look that up. Provided that anyone compiles unbiased and honest statistics on that.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcassaul.html
Don't know about the bias of it.
I just remember it being cited on Cracked's article on weird gun myths.

Seems to me they used multiple sources. Since there is no emotional loading of the language, I'm going to go with "unbiased" unless proven otherwise.

Nice find, Samozaryadnyastan. Thank you for posting it.

[Bafuria]

Neither gang shootings nor Intimate partner homicides make up the majority of murders.
Most murders are committed in the heat of the moment during petty arguments.

They usually go something like this:

"Your dog keep shitting on my lawn Russel!"
"Fuck you!"
"Oh yeah? POP! POP!"

Some could argue that gun ownership was the cause, and technically it is.
But not all gun owners are the same. Of the ~460,000 CHL holders in Texas, only 4 comitted a murder in 2011. None of which were committed in the heat of the moment.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/Re ... rt2011.pdf

In contrast, murderers generally have a criminal record.

Correction: gang shootings and intimate partner homicides don't make up the majority of recorded murders. That leaves a lot of room for unsolved homicides or attempted homicides with no leads.

Oh and gangs never have assault rifles, obviously. Photographic evidence to the contrary.

http://www.samfaulkner.co.uk/gallery/la ... 06_006.jpg

So, unreported homicides plus gang members with military-pattern weapons potentially equals what people?

I don't think anyone argues with the fact that some gangs possess semi-automatic, military-style rifles.
But the fact remains that rifles overall are responsible for a tiny portion of homicides.

Also, do you have any reason to believe that unresolved murders are predominantly IPH's and gang murders?

[Standish]

Fully automatic weapons are already illegal. Most people don't know this so they go along with the ban which is really on most semi-automatic weapons.