Ban on "assault weapons" and/or high capacity magazines?

[Frisivisia]

High capacity as in "has a large capacity".

what's large?

I said above what I thought were good perameters. Those would be settled in government.

[Salandriagado]

14,748 intentional homicides in a year is not "rare".

Homicides, firearms or otherwise, have been on a steady decline for the last five years.
None of those years featured 14,748 firearms homicides.

Now try reading the fucking post and looking at what I actually said. Then try reading the rest of the thread so you wont make such idiotic comments in future.

[North Calaveras]

what's large?

I said above what I thought were good perameters. Those would be settled in government.

Except government dosn't know what the fuck they are talking about and have no real basis in reality because high capacity implys higher than normal but they aren't just banning high capacity.

[Salandriagado]

I said above what I thought were good perameters. Those would be settled in government.

Except government dosn't know what the fuck they are talking about and have no real basis in reality because high capacity implys higher than normal but they aren't just banning high capacity.

High capacity does not imply higher than normal. If a gun happens to be made with a 200 round capacity, that's high capacity, whether it's the default or not.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Homicides, firearms or otherwise, have been on a steady decline for the last five years.
None of those years featured 14,748 firearms homicides.

Now try reading the fucking post and looking at what I actually said. Then try reading the rest of the thread so you wont make such idiotic comments in future.

The thread is about firearms deaths.
Your point was supposedly in response to a man saying that spree shootings were rare.

Your statistic represented neither firearms homicides nor spree shooting totals.

[North Calaveras]

Except government dosn't know what the fuck they are talking about and have no real basis in reality because high capacity implys higher than normal but they aren't just banning high capacity.

High capacity does not imply higher than normal. If a gun happens to be made with a 200 round capacity, that's high capacity, whether it's the default or not.

Ask any gun owner, hell ask a fucking soldier if their M4 has a high capacity magazine in it and i bet they will say no

[Salandriagado]

Now try reading the fucking post and looking at what I actually said. Then try reading the rest of the thread so you wont make such idiotic comments in future.

The thread is about firearms deaths.
Your point was supposedly in response to a man saying that spree shootings were rare.

Your statistic represented neither firearms homicides nor spree shooting totals.

Now try reading the thread so you stop making moronic comments.

High capacity does not imply higher than normal. If a gun happens to be made with a 200 round capacity, that's high capacity, whether it's the default or not.

Ask any gun owner, hell ask a fucking soldier if their M4 has a high capacity magazine in it and i bet they will say no

Irrelevant. Also, not true.

[Grinning Dragon]

Except government doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about and have no real basis in reality because high capacity implies higher than normal but they aren't just banning high capacity.

High capacity does not imply higher than normal. If a gun happens to be made with a 200 round capacity, that's high capacity, whether it's the default or not.

If a weapon WAS engineered / designed with a 200rd capacity, then YES that would be the standard capacity for that weapon.

Why do you insist on that we must abide by your arbitrary set of values? Why cannot the individual decide?

[North Calaveras]

High capacity does not imply higher than normal. If a gun happens to be made with a 200 round capacity, that's high capacity, whether it's the default or not.

If a weapon WAS engineered / designed with a 200rd capacity, then YES that would be the standard capacity for that weapon.

Why do you insist on that we must abide by your arbitrary set of values? Why cannot the individual decide?

oh how ironic.....

[Mavorpen]

High capacity does not imply higher than normal. If a gun happens to be made with a 200 round capacity, that's high capacity, whether it's the default or not.

If a weapon WAS engineered / designed with a 200rd capacity, then YES that would be the standard capacity for that weapon.

Why do you insist on that we must abide by your arbitrary set of values? Why cannot the individual decide?

History shows us that letting individuals choose to set their own rules that affect others usually doesn't end well.

[Salandriagado]

High capacity does not imply higher than normal. If a gun happens to be made with a 200 round capacity, that's high capacity, whether it's the default or not.

If a weapon WAS engineered / designed with a 200rd capacity, then YES that would be the standard capacity for that weapon.

And it would still be high. High does not imply "higher than the standard for that weapon". High implies high.

Why do you insist on that we must abide by your arbitrary set of values? Why cannot the individual decide?

The same reason that you don't get to decide the speed limit on roads you drive down. Because lots of people make fucking stupid decisions and other people end up dead.

[Northern Dominus]

High capacity does not imply higher than normal. If a gun happens to be made with a 200 round capacity, that's high capacity, whether it's the default or not.

Ask any gun owner, hell ask a fucking soldier if their M4 has a high capacity magazine in it and i bet they will say no

High capacity is a relative term. A 30 round magazine is standard for military and police standard assault rifles, but in a civilian market where your average hunting rifle holds 5-15 rounds and a standard 9mm semi-automatic pistol holds 9-18 bullets per magazine on average then a 30 round magazine is most definitely high capacity.

But again, the issue in this case isn't just the capacity but the speed and ease of the reload. I'm very familiar with both the M4 carbine and the Remmington 870 12 gauge shotgun, and it takes a helluva lot less time to eject the magazine, insert a new one, then pull the charging handle on an M4 than it does to load 6 shells one at a time into the tube of the Remington 870.

[North Calaveras]

Ask any gun owner, hell ask a fucking soldier if their M4 has a high capacity magazine in it and i bet they will say no

High capacity is a relative term. A 30 round magazine is standard for military and police standard assault rifles, but in a civilian market where your average hunting rifle holds 5-15 rounds and a standard 9mm semi-automatic pistol holds 9-18 bullets per magazine on average then a 30 round magazine is most definitely high capacity.

But again, the issue in this case isn't just the capacity but the speed and ease of the reload. I'm very familiar with both the M4 carbine and the Remmington 870 12 gauge shotgun, and it takes a helluva lot less time to eject the magazine, insert a new one, then pull the charging handle on an M4 than it does to load 6 shells one at a time into the tube of the Remington 870.

agreed...........if your putting 30 rounds in a pistol that would be considered high capacity as that is not standard

an AR-15 was made with 30 rounds as standard however so it's not high capacity to have 30 rounds in that type of weapon.

[Gauthier]

Ask any gun owner, hell ask a fucking soldier if their M4 has a high capacity magazine in it and i bet they will say no

High capacity is a relative term. A 30 round magazine is standard for military and police standard assault rifles, but in a civilian market where your average hunting rifle holds 5-15 rounds and a standard 9mm semi-automatic pistol holds 9-18 bullets per magazine on average then a 30 round magazine is most definitely high capacity.

But again, the issue in this case isn't just the capacity but the speed and ease of the reload. I'm very familiar with both the M4 carbine and the Remmington 870 12 gauge shotgun, and it takes a helluva lot less time to eject the magazine, insert a new one, then pull the charging handle on an M4 than it does to load 6 shells one at a time into the tube of the Remington 870.

Hey, those deer are vicious. 30 rounds are barely enough to take one down!

[North Calaveras]

High capacity is a relative term. A 30 round magazine is standard for military and police standard assault rifles, but in a civilian market where your average hunting rifle holds 5-15 rounds and a standard 9mm semi-automatic pistol holds 9-18 bullets per magazine on average then a 30 round magazine is most definitely high capacity.

But again, the issue in this case isn't just the capacity but the speed and ease of the reload. I'm very familiar with both the M4 carbine and the Remmington 870 12 gauge shotgun, and it takes a helluva lot less time to eject the magazine, insert a new one, then pull the charging handle on an M4 than it does to load 6 shells one at a time into the tube of the Remington 870.

Hey, those deer are vicious. 30 rounds are barely enough to take one down!

Your comment would make sense if the second amendment was about hunting deer

[Mavorpen]

High capacity is a relative term. A 30 round magazine is standard for military and police standard assault rifles, but in a civilian market where your average hunting rifle holds 5-15 rounds and a standard 9mm semi-automatic pistol holds 9-18 bullets per magazine on average then a 30 round magazine is most definitely high capacity.

But again, the issue in this case isn't just the capacity but the speed and ease of the reload. I'm very familiar with both the M4 carbine and the Remmington 870 12 gauge shotgun, and it takes a helluva lot less time to eject the magazine, insert a new one, then pull the charging handle on an M4 than it does to load 6 shells one at a time into the tube of the Remington 870.

agreed...........if your putting 30 rounds in a pistol that would be considered high capacity as that is not standard

an AR-15 was made with 30 rounds as standard however so it's not high capacity to have 30 rounds in that type of weapon.

How do you agree with him and then make a statement that turns it on its head?

[Grinning Dragon]

If a weapon WAS engineered / designed with a 200rd capacity, then YES that would be the standard capacity for that weapon.

Why do you insist on that we must abide by your arbitrary set of values? Why cannot the individual decide?

History shows us that letting individuals choose to set their own rules that affect others usually doesn't end well.

And govt is the best arbitrator of what is or is not needed? Govt is made up of people who are also fallible and prone to affect others in a not very good outcome as well.
History also shows us that rules have been broken.

[Mavorpen]

Hey, those deer are vicious. 30 rounds are barely enough to take one down!

Your comment would make sense if the second amendment was about hunting deer

Your comment would make more sense if he said anything about the second amendment.

[Northern Dominus]

High capacity is a relative term. A 30 round magazine is standard for military and police standard assault rifles, but in a civilian market where your average hunting rifle holds 5-15 rounds and a standard 9mm semi-automatic pistol holds 9-18 bullets per magazine on average then a 30 round magazine is most definitely high capacity.

But again, the issue in this case isn't just the capacity but the speed and ease of the reload. I'm very familiar with both the M4 carbine and the Remmington 870 12 gauge shotgun, and it takes a helluva lot less time to eject the magazine, insert a new one, then pull the charging handle on an M4 than it does to load 6 shells one at a time into the tube of the Remington 870.

Hey, those deer are vicious. 30 rounds are barely enough to take one down!

Which is why I always make sure my bullets travel at 60 mph and have high beams and a horn. It's their only weakness.

Hey, those deer are vicious. 30 rounds are barely enough to take one down!

Your comment would make sense if the second amendment was about hunting deer

And the Second Amendment is partially about hunting deer, but not totally. And it's not about the vague concepts of "liberty" or "freedom from tyranny" that the firearms fetishists love to scream about while stroking their favorite hardware.

[North Calaveras]

Your comment would make sense if the second amendment was about hunting deer

Your comment would make more sense if he said anything about the second amendment.

Then why is he bitching about deer and 30 rounds mags...

[Tmutarakhan]

I said above what I thought were good perameters. Those would be settled in government.

Except government dosn't know what the fuck they are talking about

That's because people in general don't.

[Salandriagado]

History shows us that letting individuals choose to set their own rules that affect others usually doesn't end well.

And govt is the best arbitrator of what is or is not needed? Govt is made up of people who are also fallible and prone to affect others in a not very good outcome as well.

Government is, in general, a decent approximation of the will of the majority. So yes, it is the best arbiter, barring total democracy (utterly impractical) or full consensus governance (even more so).

History also shows us that rules have been broken.

But very rarely by enough people to make much of a difference.

[Mavorpen]

History shows us that letting individuals choose to set their own rules that affect others usually doesn't end well.

And govt is the best arbitrator of what is or is not needed? Govt is made up of people who are also fallible and prone to affect others in a not very good outcome as well.
History also shows us that rules have been broken.

And? History shows us that governments expands freedom and wellbeing more than it takes it. Individuals are just shitty at that stuff.

[Grinning Dragon]

If a weapon WAS engineered / designed with a 200rd capacity, then YES that would be the standard capacity for that weapon.

And it would still be high. High does not imply "higher than the standard for that weapon". High implies high.

Why do you insist on that we must abide by your arbitrary set of values? Why cannot the individual decide?

The same reason that you don't get to decide the speed limit on roads you drive down. Because lots of people make fucking stupid decisions and other people end up dead.

The reason you think that number is high is because you have arbitrarily defined this in your mind on what a high number of rounds are, the next person like myself sees that number as, meh. So be it, not my place to define on what some one wants or needs.

[Mavorpen]

Your comment would make more sense if he said anything about the second amendment.

Then why is he bitching about deer and 30 rounds mags...

Because you don't need 30 rounds to hurt deer?