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Do you support a ban on "assault weapons," magazines w/ten+ rounds, semiautomatics, etc?

Yes, I support these bans at the Federal level
165
39%
It's a state's right's issue, but I'd support the bans in my state
21
5%
It's a state's right's issue, but I'd oppose the bans in my state
57
13%
No, I appose the bans at the Federal level and believe the Federal government should protect gun rights in all states
184
43%
 
Total votes : 427

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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:17 pm

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LOL let's tell all those Newtown parents to STFU because their kids had better odds of dying from those.


There you go hide behind the children " Why dont you go tell that to sopping parents boo hoo"

I don't give a crap, there is no legimatnate excuse for this gun debate as these things are a rare occurence, enough said.

Shootings rare? Have you ever heard of Detroit?
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:18 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
There you go hide behind the children " Why dont you go tell that to sopping parents boo hoo"

I don't give a crap, there is no legimatnate excuse for this gun debate as these things are a rare occurence, enough said.

Shootings rare? Have you ever heard of Detroit?


Shootings are nothing to worry about when poor darkies are involved.
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Postby North Calaveras » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:19 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
There you go hide behind the children " Why dont you go tell that to sopping parents boo hoo"

I don't give a crap, there is no legimatnate excuse for this gun debate as these things are a rare occurence, enough said.

Shootings rare? Have you ever heard of Detroit?


Have you ever heard that there are millions and millions of guns in the United States and a tiny tiny tiny tiny minority are used in crimes, hence why we shouldn't punish the majority for the acts of the minority(who most of the time are not even law abiding citizens to begin with)
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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:20 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Shootings rare? Have you ever heard of Detroit?


Have you ever heard that there are millions and millions of guns in the United States and a tiny tiny tiny tiny minority are used in crimes, hence why we shouldn't punish the majority for the acts of the minority(who most of the time are not even law abiding citizens to begin with)

Because we're banning all guns. For reelz.

Silly paranoid rightist.
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Postby North Calaveras » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:21 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Have you ever heard that there are millions and millions of guns in the United States and a tiny tiny tiny tiny minority are used in crimes, hence why we shouldn't punish the majority for the acts of the minority(who most of the time are not even law abiding citizens to begin with)

Because we're banning all guns. For reelz.

Silly paranoid rightist.


nah were just going to ban a shit load of them and restrict ammo capacity, yeah your right.
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:21 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Have you ever heard that there are millions and millions of guns in the United States and a tiny tiny tiny tiny minority are used in crimes, hence why we shouldn't punish the majority for the acts of the minority(who most of the time are not even law abiding citizens to begin with)

Because we're banning all guns. For reelz.

Silly paranoid rightist.


Don't forget after all the guns are banned Obama starts establishing the AmeriCaliphate. *nod*
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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:22 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Because we're banning all guns. For reelz.

Silly paranoid rightist.


nah were just going to ban a shit load of them and restrict ammo capacity, yeah your right.

Assault weapons are totally a shit load of guns, and what will I do without my thirty round magazines?
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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:22 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Because we're banning all guns. For reelz.

Silly paranoid rightist.


Don't forget after all the guns are banned Obama starts establishing the AmeriCaliphate. *nod*

Communists and radical Muslims have always worked together.

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Postby Gauthier » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:23 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
nah were just going to ban a shit load of them and restrict ammo capacity, yeah your right.

Assault weapons are totally a shit load of guns, and what will I do without my thirty round magazines?


And you know how hard the deers are to hit without a BAR.
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Postby North Calaveras » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:24 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
nah were just going to ban a shit load of them and restrict ammo capacity, yeah your right.

Assault weapons are totally a shit load of guns, and what will I do without my thirty round magazines?


okay why not 1 round or 3 or 24 or 7?
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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:24 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Assault weapons are totally a shit load of guns, and what will I do without my thirty round magazines?


And you know how hard the deers are to hit without a BAR.

Spray and Pray, bitches.
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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:24 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
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14,748 intentional homicides in a year is not "rare".


how many of those are with guns


In a different year, there were 12,664 murders, with 8,583 involving firearms. Assuming the same ratio, that gives about 10,000. In addition to that (back-calculating from rounded rate ratios, so fairly wide margin of error here), there were around 120,000 robberies involving firearms, and around 135,000 firearms assaults.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:25 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
nah were just going to ban a shit load of them and restrict ammo capacity, yeah your right.

Assault weapons are totally a shit load of guns, and what will I do without my thirty round magazines?


Use a 45rd magazine?

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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:25 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
There you go hide behind the children " Why dont you go tell that to sopping parents boo hoo"

I don't give a crap, there is no legimatnate excuse for this gun debate as these things are a rare occurence, enough said.

Shootings rare? Have you ever heard of Detroit?

How dare you care about black people!?
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Postby North Calaveras » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:25 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
how many of those are with guns


In a different year, there were 12,664 murders, with 8,583 involving firearms. Assuming the same ratio, that gives about 10,000. In addition to that (back-calculating from rounded rate ratios, so fairly wide margin of error here), there were around 120,000 robberies involving firearms, and around 135,000 firearms assaults.


That' still piss poor when it comes to the amount of firearms that are in the MILLIONS AND MILLIONS so no, still no problem here.
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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:26 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Assault weapons are totally a shit load of guns, and what will I do without my thirty round magazines?


okay why not 1 round or 3 or 24 or 7?

I think 15 for pistols and shotguns, and 20 for rifles is enough. And why those particular amounts? They strike a balance between the rights and conveniences of legitimate gun owners and the inhibition of murderers.
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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:26 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
In a different year, there were 12,664 murders, with 8,583 involving firearms. Assuming the same ratio, that gives about 10,000. In addition to that (back-calculating from rounded rate ratios, so fairly wide margin of error here), there were around 120,000 robberies involving firearms, and around 135,000 firearms assaults.


That' still piss poor when it comes to the amount of firearms that are in the MILLIONS AND MILLIONS so no, still no problem here.


So you are seriously saying that 135,000 assaults, 120,000 robberies and 10,000 murders is "no problem"?
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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:26 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Assault weapons are totally a shit load of guns, and what will I do without my thirty round magazines?


Use a 45rd magazine?

Why not 100? MOAR DAKKA!!!!!

DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA!!!!!!
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Postby North Calaveras » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:27 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
okay why not 1 round or 3 or 24 or 7?

I think 15 for pistols and shotguns, and 20 for rifles is enough. And why those particular amounts? They strike a balance between the rights and conveniences of legitimate gun owners and the inhibition of murderers.


They dont' know what the fuck they are saying

"We need to ban high capacity magaizines"

wtf is a high capacity? Because I know that 30 rounds in standard not high capacity for an AR-15
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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:27 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:I think 15 for pistols and shotguns, and 20 for rifles is enough. And why those particular amounts? They strike a balance between the rights and conveniences of legitimate gun owners and the inhibition of murderers.


They dont' know what the fuck they are saying

"We need to ban high capacity magaizines"

wtf is a high capacity? Because I know that 30 rounds in standard not high capacity for an AR-15

High capacity as in "has a large capacity".
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Postby North Calaveras » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:28 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
They dont' know what the fuck they are saying

"We need to ban high capacity magaizines"

wtf is a high capacity? Because I know that 30 rounds in standard not high capacity for an AR-15

High capacity as in "has a large capacity".



what's large?
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:28 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
That' still piss poor when it comes to the amount of firearms that are in the MILLIONS AND MILLIONS so no, still no problem here.


So you are seriously saying that 135,000 assaults, 120,000 robberies and 10,000 murders is "no problem"?

You do know this is the guy who said getting shot isn't bad, right?
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:28 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Use a 45rd magazine?

Why not 100? MOAR DAKKA!!!!!

DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA!!!!!!


Sure, why not, not my place to tell you what you can and cannot use.

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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:28 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
There you go hide behind the children " Why dont you go tell that to sopping parents boo hoo"

I don't give a crap, there is no legimatnate excuse for this gun debate as these things are a rare occurence, enough said.


14,748 intentional homicides in a year is not "rare".

Homicides, firearms or otherwise, have been on a steady decline for the last five years.
None of those years featured 14,748 firearms homicides.

Rifles and shotguns combined accounted for just 700 homicides in 2011. 'Assault weapons' will present a minority of those.
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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:28 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
So you are seriously saying that 135,000 assaults, 120,000 robberies and 10,000 murders is "no problem"?

You do know this is the guy who said getting shot isn't bad, right?


Yeah, I'd just like to get him on record defending that bullshit so I've got it to add to my quote database.
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By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

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