Ban on "assault weapons" and/or high capacity magazines?

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Many police departments have officers supply their own firearm.

Which, under the above proposals, would not be allowed to have the aforementioned modifications. Try reading discussions before jumping into them, you'll embarrass yourself less.

So, police officers would be prohibited from owning handguns that can accept magazines greater than ten rounds (really a lot), or 'named banned' weapons, which will undoubtedly include Glocks, a very popular police sidearm?

[North Calaveras]

Why not? If the police officer has to buy their duty weapon, and if the police need standard capacity magazines in order to do their job, why can't they keep those magazines once they're no longer police officers?

Because private citizens don't get to ignore laws just because they used to be something else. The same reason that ambulance drivers that retire aren't allowed to continue to put sirens on their cars and run red lights once they've retired.

So off duty cops should not be allowed to have firearms once they leave and go home i'm assuming yes?

[Samozaryadnyastan]

what's an assault weapon?

In my terms, any weapon that can hold more than 6 bullets at a time.

I didn't realise a full-length, bolt-action Lee-Enfield was an assault weapon.

[Spreewerke]

In my terms, any weapon that can hold more than 6 bullets at a time.

I didn't realise a full-length, bolt-action Lee-Enfield was an assault weapon.

Fairly certain my State made its hunting laws what they are just for the fact so many people had Lee-Enfields. I think it's the entire reason we went with a ten-round magazine limit instead of the often times common five-round limit.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Why not? If the police officer has to buy their duty weapon, and if the police need standard capacity magazines in order to do their job, why can't they keep those magazines once they're no longer police officers?

Because private citizens don't get to ignore laws just because they used to be something else. The same reason that ambulance drivers that retire aren't allowed to continue to put sirens on their cars and run red lights once they've retired.

How do you get those magazines out of the hands of these former police officers? Buyback?

[Spreewerke]

Because private citizens don't get to ignore laws just because they used to be something else. The same reason that ambulance drivers that retire aren't allowed to continue to put sirens on their cars and run red lights once they've retired.

How do you get those magazines out of the hands of these former police officers? Buyback?

He can't claim "department keeps them," either. I've had to serve a police officer in the gun store who was wishing to buy more GLOCK magazines because people kept stealing them from each other within the department.

[Cyberocracy]

The body count at Sandy Hook could have been achieved with either this or this, no fire arms needed. Why? Because he was the only person on the premises with a weapon and it's damn easy to kill an elementary school kid. Alternatively, if the teachers and staff had been armed with something as primitive as black powder pistols, then he could have had both an M-16 and an AK-47 and the body count might have been as high as 6. 6 dead is a hell of a lot better than over two dozen. The "well regulated militia" that applied to the situation was the school staff. It was their job to protect the kids and they didn't. And yes, I would tell that to the grieving families of Sandy Hook. If the State can penalize me for not sending my kids to their public school, they can get off their worthless butts and protect my kid while (s)he's there.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The key words here are "being necessary to the security of a free State." If a ballot is all it takes to secure a free state then awesome, but if privately owned RPG's, fully automatic weapons, armed aircraft, and tanks are what it takes, then so be it. If a government can't keep a heavily armed citizenry happy, they obviously suck and deserve the heart burn they get.

Abrams tanks are tough, and a bunch of guys with hunting rifles may be no match, as they would be also no match for the armored vehicles operated by the police forces, but if there is a brain in the lot, then they know that goat herders in Afghanistan have been ripping the Abrams tanks to shreds with IED's and should be very hesitant about taking on anything worse than the local crack dealer.

[Salandriagado]

Which, under the above proposals, would not be allowed to have the aforementioned modifications. Try reading discussions before jumping into them, you'll embarrass yourself less.

So, police officers would be prohibited from owning handguns that can accept magazines greater than ten rounds (really a lot), or 'named banned' weapons, which will undoubtedly include Glocks, a very popular police sidearm?

If they purchased those weapons as a private citizen, then yes. Otherwise, no. This is not hard to understand.

Because private citizens don't get to ignore laws just because they used to be something else. The same reason that ambulance drivers that retire aren't allowed to continue to put sirens on their cars and run red lights once they've retired.

So off duty cops should not be allowed to have firearms once they leave and go home i'm assuming yes?

Not ones that are illegal for civilians, no.

Because private citizens don't get to ignore laws just because they used to be something else. The same reason that ambulance drivers that retire aren't allowed to continue to put sirens on their cars and run red lights once they've retired.

How do you get those magazines out of the hands of these former police officers? Buyback?

The same way every other country in the civilised world manages it.

[Spreewerke]

So, police officers would be prohibited from owning handguns that can accept magazines greater than ten rounds (really a lot), or 'named banned' weapons, which will undoubtedly include Glocks, a very popular police sidearm?

If they purchased those weapons as a private citizen, then yes. Otherwise, no. This is not hard to understand.

How does one determine whether one is a police officer or not? Correct me if I'm wrong, but off-duty cops don't carry a big "I'MMA COP!" sign on their neck, and on-duty officers tend to be doing stuff. Not quite the best time to be purchasing firearms/firearm accessories.

[North Calaveras]

So, police officers would be prohibited from owning handguns that can accept magazines greater than ten rounds (really a lot), or 'named banned' weapons, which will undoubtedly include Glocks, a very popular police sidearm?

If they purchased those weapons as a private citizen, then yes. Otherwise, no. This is not hard to understand.

So off duty cops should not be allowed to have firearms once they leave and go home i'm assuming yes?

Not ones that are illegal for civilians, no.

How do you get those magazines out of the hands of these former police officers? Buyback?

The same way every other country in the civilised world manages it.

So you want the monoploy of firearms belonging to the military and police because they are trained correct?

[Salandriagado]

If they purchased those weapons as a private citizen, then yes. Otherwise, no. This is not hard to understand.

How does one determine whether one is a police officer or not? Correct me if I'm wrong, but off-duty cops don't carry a big "I'MMA COP!" sign on their neck, and on-duty officers tend to be doing stuff. Not quite the best time to be purchasing firearms/firearm accessories.

Because obviously, police officers don't have badges. Obviously.

[Salandriagado]

If they purchased those weapons as a private citizen, then yes. Otherwise, no. This is not hard to understand.



Not ones that are illegal for civilians, no.



The same way every other country in the civilised world manages it.

So you want the monoploy of firearms belonging to the military and police because they are trained correct?

... That isn't even slightly what I said. Put the fucking strawman down.

[North Calaveras]

So you want the monoploy of firearms belonging to the military and police because they are trained correct?

... That isn't even slightly what I said. Put the fucking strawman down.

What the fuck are you advocating so I know what im dealing with.

[Salandriagado]

... That isn't even slightly what I said. Put the fucking strawman down.

What the fuck are you advocating so I know what im dealing with.

Try reading the fucking discussion before jumping into it. If you can't be bothered to do that, I'm not going to do it for you.

[North Calaveras]

What the fuck are you advocating so I know what im dealing with.

Try reading the fucking discussion before jumping into it. If you can't be bothered to do that, I'm not going to do it for you.

Your not clear with anythign you say

Please tell me what your offical stance is, it can't take that many words to type it out for me.

[Spreewerke]

How does one determine whether one is a police officer or not? Correct me if I'm wrong, but off-duty cops don't carry a big "I'MMA COP!" sign on their neck, and on-duty officers tend to be doing stuff. Not quite the best time to be purchasing firearms/firearm accessories.

Because obviously, police officers don't have badges. Obviously.

...and for online purchases?

[Salandriagado]

Try reading the fucking discussion before jumping into it. If you can't be bothered to do that, I'm not going to do it for you.

Your not clear with anythign you say

Please tell me what your offical stance is, it can't take that many words to type it out for me.

Read the last five pages of this thread. Shouldn't take more than a few minutes.

[Salandriagado]

Because obviously, police officers don't have badges. Obviously.

...and for online purchases?

The same way that you check that anybody else buying via that method is legally allowed to buy the item that they are purchasing?

[Spreewerke]

...and for online purchases?

The same way that you check that anybody else buying via that method is legally allowed to buy the item that they are purchasing?

Which is?

[Salandriagado]

The same way that you check that anybody else buying via that method is legally allowed to buy the item that they are purchasing?

Which is?

They have to be sent to a licensed firearms dealer, who then checks the credentials of the person doing the purchasing.

[Gauthier]

Heart disease: 597,689
Cancer: 574,743
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 138,080
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 129,476
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 120,859
Alzheimer's disease: 83,494
Diabetes: 69,071
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,476
Influenza and Pneumonia: 50,097
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 38,364

these are the top 10 causes of death, you know shooting sprees are garbage when your more likley to die from exposure lol

LOL let's tell all those Newtown parents to STFU because their kids had better odds of dying from those.

[North Calaveras]

Heart disease: 597,689
Cancer: 574,743
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 138,080
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 129,476
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 120,859
Alzheimer's disease: 83,494
Diabetes: 69,071
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,476
Influenza and Pneumonia: 50,097
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 38,364

these are the top 10 causes of death, you know shooting sprees are garbage when your more likley to die from exposure lol

LOL let's tell all those Newtown parents to STFU because their kids had better odds of dying from those.

There you go hide behind the children " Why dont you go tell that to sopping parents boo hoo"

I don't give a crap, there is no legimatnate excuse for this gun debate as these things are a rare occurence, enough said.

[Salandriagado]

LOL let's tell all those Newtown parents to STFU because their kids had better odds of dying from those.

There you go hide behind the children " Why dont you go tell that to sopping parents boo hoo"

I don't give a crap, there is no legimatnate excuse for this gun debate as these things are a rare occurence, enough said.

14,748 intentional homicides in a year is not "rare".

[North Calaveras]

There you go hide behind the children " Why dont you go tell that to sopping parents boo hoo"

I don't give a crap, there is no legimatnate excuse for this gun debate as these things are a rare occurence, enough said.

14,748 intentional homicides in a year is not "rare".

how many of those are with guns

[Gauthier]

LOL let's tell all those Newtown parents to STFU because their kids had better odds of dying from those.

There you go hide behind the children " Why dont you go tell that to sopping parents boo hoo"

I don't give a crap, there is no legimatnate excuse for this gun debate as these things are a rare occurence, enough said.

The lives of children are irrelevant compared to the Glory of the Dakka. Got it.