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24TH FEBRUARY 2013, Italian Elections or European Approval?

Postby Thesan » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:34 pm

(ok... let's restart it in a good way... It's supposed to be a political debate AND inform about the situation) ;)

The italian political debate has been ravaged by the new exploit of bunga-man that had been interviewed by a FAMOUS OPENLY LEFT-WING ANCHORMAN (Michele Santoro), and has get out triumphant from the show. Now thanks to this exploit, the match is supposed to reopen.

The italian political situation has changed ONLY SINCE A WEEK AGO, here there are the candidates:

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The absolute favourite till tuesday (he was even THE DOUBLE of Berluskaiser), the new survey made by Roberto Weber (SWG) has seen a big fall in favor of Bunga man, now it's "only" 10 points above. Famous for his moderate progressivism is famous in Italy for the partial liberalization of the pharmacies.

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The candidate/NOT the candidate for the premiership of the right needs no presentations (in a bad way...), a real "showman" that has a "eighties vision" of the world: capitalistic (in HIS way), object-women, conservative.

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Chief of the M5S, he's another candidate/NOT candidate (it's the "voice" of the party but will not be the premier, the italian vote law allows this), populistic, authoritharian (that's the reason of the ?) but is famous for being pro-gay marriage, against water privatization and against nuclear, wants a referendum on fiscal compact and on europe.

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The "Bilderberger", the "Leech", "His Monstrosity", "Conversely-Robin Hood" (takes from the poors to give to the riches), "The EU Janitor", only 1 year of govt. and has taken even more nicknames than Giulio Andreotti (???), has saved Italy and Eurozone from the collapse, but now wants to "end the work".
Has said that he loves Margaret Thatcher politics and would had been proud to be in the Conservatives under her govt. if "I wasn't so pro-europe". Is supported by the EPP and by the EU as the next premier. Many of his party are betting on a "pro-Monti means pro-eu, the rest is populism"

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The last candidate is a famous judge that has fighted against mafia in one of the most dangerous and "Mafia-crimed" cities of the world (Palermo), proudly anti-corruption, pacifist and far-lefter, is supported by the communists (that for the first time in years would have a seat in the parliament)

In Italy there are 2 VOTE LAWS:
CHAMBER OF THE DEPUTIES: here there's the rule "the first that comes gets everything": who is supported by the most voted coalition becomes Premier and gets the 55% of the seats (so Bersani would win in each case)

SENATE: very similar to the American Vote System: who gets the majority in a region wins the seats that are assigned to THAT region, Bersani will have a really hard ground here, HE HASN'T THE MAJORITY, with the risk to ask to the liberist center to form a "Große Koalition".

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While for the last surveys is supposed to win in Lazio, Bersani needs to win AT LEAST in Lombardy, the most populated (almost a sixth of the whole italian population), richest (only this region has the same GDP of Austria) and NOTORIOUSLY RIGHTIST LOMBARDY.
But an enormous corruption scandal of the right-wing local govt seems to reopen the fight and now it's IMPRESSIVELY BALANCED:
BERSANI: 36.1%, BERLUSCONI 36.2%, MONTI: 16%

Now it's known as "The Italian Ohio", with a southern part agricultural, rich and VERY "Lefty", a pre-alpine hyper-industrialized zone that's not-so-fiercely rightist, and a far northern zone that's montainous and where the Northern League is the landlord.
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Postby Tubbsalot » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:45 pm

I'm not sure what the difference is between this one and the previous one, but dammit Fris, if you interrupt my post with a lock this time I'm going to be annoyed.

Does Lombardy have proportional representation or first-past-the-post, or is it that all Italian states run on the CoD/Senate rules? And why is it that Lombardy is so vital to the left-wing? That's a huge lead in the polls, surely Bersani could make up for losing Lombardy, no matter how big it is.

Also, I know a French expat on another forum who speaks in a sort of weird poetry, and reading his posts is like having nails scraped down a mental blackboard. It's amazing, and this guy has the same way of talking. I love foreign speakers.
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Postby Saruhan » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:58 pm

The hell? Isn't El Presidente's party Northern Seperatists/In bed with them? Why is Calabria and Basilicata voting for Northern separation then?
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Postby Thesan » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:58 pm

Tubbsalot wrote:I'm not sure what the difference is between this one and the previous one, but dammit Fris, if you interrupt my post with a lock this time I'm going to be annoyed.

Does Lombardy have proportional representation or first-past-the-post, or is it that all Italian states run on the CoD/Senate rules? And why is it that Lombardy is so vital to the left-wing? That's a huge lead in the polls, surely Bersani could make up for losing Lombardy, no matter how big it is.

Also, I know a French expat on another forum who speaks in a sort of weird poetry, and reading his posts is like having nails scraped down a mental blackboard. It's amazing, and this guy has the same way of talking. I love foreign speakers.

Ok, first sorry for my english, I have just ended my homeworks and I've got the brain melted :lol:

For the senate: each "state" is forced to join the "senate rule", the seats are assigned by the central govt. after checking the population of each region, on the map there are the seats that are assigned to the winner (the coalition that gets more votes) and are approx the 55% of the available seats for each region (the rest, approx the 45% of the total, are given to the losers). Bersani MUST win in Lombardy (even of only 1 vote) to get 27 seats at the senate (on a total of 315 seats) or he won't have the majority of 159
(it's.... machiavellic this law...even its creator has defined it "crappy").

Saruhan wrote:The hell? Isn't El Presidente's party Northern Seperatists/In bed with them? Why is Calabria and Basilicata voting for Northern separation then?

Because (and this is another "sweet thing" of this law) the Northern League runs... in the North! For the south there's a similar "southern separatist" right-wing movement named "Great South", but both are allied with Berluskaiser. Lombardy, Veneto and Campania WERE right-wing strongholds, but now the situation is very foggy. (Lombardy has been ruled for decades by the "right" and now it's "undecided"... it's incredible... it's like seeing a green party candidate that might win the governor elections in TEXAS!)
P.S. sorry I've posted the wrong picture, effectively even bas & cal are considered undecided, but are at the opposite of lazio, the right must win easily.
Last edited by Thesan on Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:57 pm, edited 3 times in total.
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Postby Cortpolano » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:05 pm

I think Bersani will fall a bit, but he'll still win.


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