Fully Federal Transatlantic Union

[The Transatlantic Union]

Imagine a federation of two states The USA and EU those states in turn are divided into 27 states (EU) and 51 states (USA) in a superpower country which even claims an ocean as its own territory. We'd be the strongest biggest and richest superpower ever essembled. Whaddya reckon ?

[The Truth and Light]

I'd honestly not wish that for Europe.

[Ceannairceach]

Imagine a federation of two states The USA and EU those states in turn are divided into 27 states (EU) and 51 states (USA) in a superpower country which even claims an ocean as its own territory. We'd be the strongest biggest and richest superpower ever essembled. Whaddya reckon ?

What's the fifty-first state in the USA? Also, what about Canada? Or Mexico? Or all the other Atlantic-based NATO states? What makes the nations give up their sovereignty and unify?

It just doesn't make practical sense.

[The Truth and Light]

Imagine a federation of two states The USA and EU those states in turn are divided into 27 states (EU) and 51 states (USA) in a superpower country which even claims an ocean as its own territory. We'd be the strongest biggest and richest superpower ever essembled. Whaddya reckon ?

What's the fifty-first state in the USA? Also, what about Canada? Or Mexico? Or all the other Atlantic-based NATO states? What makes the nations give up their sovereignty and unify?

It just doesn't make practical sense.

It would be a conservative clusterfuck... not a good idea.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Imagine a federation of two states The USA and EU those states in turn are divided into 27 states (EU) and 51 states (USA) in a superpower country which even claims an ocean as its own territory. We'd be the strongest biggest and richest superpower ever essembled. Whaddya reckon ?

Oh dear God no.

[Benutanairan]

Dear God absolutely not, my taxes in France are set enough as it is I will not be paying a unified Euro-American tax!

[Greed and Death]

Dear God absolutely not, my taxes in France are set enough as it is I will not be paying a unified Euro-American tax!

Actually once we normalize American and European taxes you would be looking to get a tax cut.

[Benutanairan]

Dear God absolutely not, my taxes in France are set enough as it is I will not be paying a unified Euro-American tax!

Actually once we normalize American and European taxes you would be looking to get a tax cut.

it was bad enough changing to the euro but what about a unified American-European currency and government code.

[Holy Trek]

Sounds great on paper...in practice...its not feasible. Besides, as someone else had already asked, what about Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean nations, and potential EU members like Turkey (which is already a part of NATO)?

[Mike the Progressive]

No, no, no, no. New World > Old World.

[Warshania]

Imagine a federation of two states The USA and EU those states in turn are divided into 27 states (EU) and 51 states (USA) in a superpower country which even claims an ocean as its own territory. We'd be the strongest biggest and richest superpower ever essembled. Whaddya reckon ?

What are the gains from the formation of such a union?

There is a fresh thread about the formation of a European "superstate" and many have commented against this idea. A transatlantic union would be impossible as well, because of the differences between these nations.

[Cascavia]

We'd be the strongest biggest and richest superpower ever essembled. Whaddya reckon ?

Rivalries between each individual state in this federal government would break out overnight. European nations would be forced to suffer absurd American politics. Issues involving the economy would never be solved and national debts would skyrocket at an alarming rate. The armed forces of would never be able to get new equipment without dozens of cancelled projects. It's a bad idea.

[Mike the Progressive]

We'd be the strongest biggest and richest superpower ever essembled. Whaddya reckon ?

Rivalries between each individual state in this federal government would break out overnight. European nations would be forced to suffer absurd American politics. Issues involving the economy would never be solved and national debts would skyrocket at an alarming rate. The armed forces of would never be able to get new equipment without dozens of cancelled projects. In short, it's a bad idea.

I guess the question is why the EU? The EU itself is not even working, how would a union between the US and Europe somehow be different? And even if it was, really? The only thing Europe would do is hold us back.

[The Truth and Light]

Rivalries between each individual state in this federal government would break out overnight. European nations would be forced to suffer absurd American politics. Issues involving the economy would never be solved and national debts would skyrocket at an alarming rate. The armed forces of would never be able to get new equipment without dozens of cancelled projects. In short, it's a bad idea.

I guess the question is why the EU? The EU itself is not even working, how would a union between the US and Europe somehow be different? And even if it was, really? The only thing Europe would do is hold us back.

Don't be ridiculous. The US is going nowhere fast, due to stalled politics thanks in large part to the GOP. Europe doesn't need us.

[Mike the Progressive]

I guess the question is why the EU? The EU itself is not even working, how would a union between the US and Europe somehow be different? And even if it was, really? The only thing Europe would do is hold us back.

Don't be ridiculous. The US is going nowhere fast, due to stalled politics thanks in large part to the GOP. Europe doesn't need us.

Oh please. Don't mistake partisanship for "OMG. Somehow this point in time is so divisive and unique like never before." Pick up a history book, dawg.

What I'm saying is look at the European economies -Greece and Spain. Unemployment in the 25%-30%? France and Italy starting to have similar problems? We'd be Germany and the UK in all of this mess, bailing everybody out. Not to mention, oh I don't know, we actually have a lot of black, brown and yellow people here. If Europe freaks out over some Muslims, imagine how they'll react with a country where a little less than half are not white? Christ Jesus, they'd go insane.

[Ifreann]

Imagine a federation of two states The USA and EU those states in turn are divided into 27 states (EU) and 51 states (USA) in a superpower country which even claims an ocean as its own territory. We'd be the strongest biggest and richest superpower ever essembled. Whaddya reckon ?

Doesn't sound very exciting of a thing to imagine. I'd rather imagine naked women.

[Angleter]

God, no. I'm sure Hippo would love it, though.

[Maurepas]

How about a complete league of united countries? Complete with 193 states, a legislative assembly, and a defence council, and even an executive general?


We could call it some sort of "United Nations" even!

[Benutanairan]

How about a complete league of united countries? Complete with 193 states, a legislative assembly, and a defence council, and even an executive general?


We could call it some sort of "United Nations" even!

well you forget all the secessionist movements in Africa, asia, the Americas, and the middle east.