Only 15% of Americans accept evolution.

[Divair]

Don't dictate people's beliefs for them. It's not a matter of caring, it's a matter of education.

So people who don't believe in evolution aren't educated?

They either missed the opportunity to be scientifically educated or they refused it due to willful ignorance, yes.

One is acceptable and the result of a bad education system, the other is not.

[Dyakovo]

No.

Of course not.

Seriously everyone, stop acting like children about it. So only 15% of Americans accept evolution, big deal. Doesn't mean it's bad. They just have different views.

Views which are factually incorrect.

[Torisakia]

So people who don't believe in evolution aren't educated?

They either missed the opportunity to be scientifically educated or they refused it due to willful ignorance, yes.

While your at it, let's shun and maim everyone who isn't "educated". Because we all know the people who believe in Creationism aren't educated. /sarcasm

[Divair]

They either missed the opportunity to be scientifically educated or they refused it due to willful ignorance, yes.

While your at it, let's shun and maim everyone who isn't "educated". Because we all know the people who believe in Creationism aren't educated. /sarcasm

It isn't necessarily their fault (on the contrary, it's usually the parents or the education system), but it is the truth.

The inability to understand that which all of biology and medicine rests on is a state of being uneducated. It's the equivalent of not understanding subtraction for math.


There is no need to do this:

While your at it, let's shun and maim everyone who isn't "educated".

What we need to do is educate people.

[Dyakovo]

It's horrible. That means that 85% of Americans are scientifically incorrect and many of them could end up impacting the lives of many. That is unacceptable. If you want people to "get along", don't post on a political forum.

And that's exactly why I'm leaving NSG. No one can get along. If it wasn't for this place being moderated, you people would kill each other.

It's just science, it's not like it's the end of the world. Why the hell do I even put up with you people?

I don't know, why do you put up with intelligent people?

[Torisakia]

While your at it, let's shun and maim everyone who isn't "educated". Because we all know the people who believe in Creationism aren't educated. /sarcasm

It isn't necessarily their fault (on the contrary, it's usually the parents or the education system), but it is the truth.

The inability to understand that which all of biology and medicine rests on is a state of being uneducated. It's the equivalent of not understanding subtraction for math.


There is no need to do this:

While your at it, let's shun and maim everyone who isn't "educated".

What we need to do is educate people.

So any 4.00 GPA college student who believes in creationism solely on their religious views in uneducated.

Now I suppose you'll say "Anyone who doesn't believe in evolution can't go to college."

[Torisakia]

And that's exactly why I'm leaving NSG. No one can get along. If it wasn't for this place being moderated, you people would kill each other.

It's just science, it's not like it's the end of the world. Why the hell do I even put up with you people?

I don't know, why do you put up with intelligent people?

Mostly do to the fact that I'm not as smart as them and most just try to be jackasses.

[Dyakovo]

Then leave. This is a political forum meant for debate. If you can't handle it, it isn't for you.

Gladly.

Also, evolution and creationism, regardless of who believes in what more, are both right in their own ways.

No, there is no way in which creationism is right.

[Torisakia]

Gladly.

Also, evolution and creationism, regardless of who believes in what more, are both right in their own ways.

No, there is no way in which creationism is right.

No, there is no way in which evolution(or creationism) is right.

[Copenhagen Metropolis]

Abiogenesis.

No disrespect, especially since that article looks to provide interesting study on several hypothises that my backwards ass was not familiar with, but I want to see it happen or replicated, not just theorized about. I have yet to see factual evidence of this, unlike evolution, so I will cling to my belief concerning God as the initial architect of the universe pending furthur study and/ or proof of Abiogenesis.

You don't see the irony at all, do you?

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Don't dictate people's beliefs for them. It's not a matter of caring, it's a matter of education.

So people who don't believe in evolution aren't educated?

Yes.
The same is thought of people who believe the world to be flat.

[Divair]

So any 4.00 GPA college student who believes in creationism solely on their religious views in uneducated.

Uneducated in the field of science, yes. Intelligence or even knowledge in many fields does not negate the lack of knowledge in one field.

Now I suppose you'll say "Anyone who doesn't believe in evolution can't go to college."

Depends on what they're studying. If they plan on studying biology or medicine, no.

[Ifreann]

No. I mean a hypothetical world where no one denies evolution could be better or worse depending on why they aren't denying evolution. If people aren't denying evolution because there's effective universal education that has given everyone a good understanding of evolution, then that's good. Very good. We should totally go for that. Conversely, if people aren't denying evolution because deniers are rounded up and forced to participate in some class of Battle Hunger Royale Games, that would be bad. Very bad. Let's not do that.

I do believe we're advocating the former.

I'm sure you are. I'm just pointing out that no evolution deniers is not automatically good.

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Then leave. This is a political forum meant for debate. If you can't handle it, it isn't for you.

Gladly.

Also, evolution and creationism, regardless of who believes in what more, are both right in their own ways.

Indeed. The way evolution is right is that is an indisputable fact. The way creationism is right is that it gives people warm fuzzies inside.

Well, I suppose that's not really 'being' right. But hey, as long as you keep your hipster cred, right?

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I love polls like this - they're vague enough to prove the point of any argument one wishes to have!

There's no nuanced choices, even though it appears that way.

With all the very improbable events and circumstances that have had to occur for us to arrive to be us on this planet -

Oh man, I can tell this is going to be good. Time to open up Wolfram-Alpha

from orbit to Moon to just the right species surviving each mass extinction event - it's very easy to ask if there isn't a paranormal/supernatural nudge here and there, and to come up with the conclusion that there probably is.

Easy, perhaps, but stupid.

Tell me this. At what point of improbability do we reject reality and posit magic as an explanation? Because if I shuffle a standard deck of 52 cards the chances of me getting them in some particular order(let's say, the aces, then the twos, then the kings, then the threes, and so on) are 1 in 8.0658175170943878571660636856403766975289505440883277824 × 10⁶⁷. 1 in 80 unvigintillion, 658 vigintillion, 175 novemdecillion, 170 octodecillion, 943 septendecillion, 878 sexdecillion, 571 quindecillion, 660 quattuordecillion, 636 tredecillion, 856 duodecillion, 403 undecillion, 766 decillion, 975 nonillion, 289 octillion, 505 septillion, 440 sextillion, 883 quintillion, 277 quadrillion, 824 trillion.

And that's just a deck of cards. Was God guiding my hands invisibly? What if it was ten decks of cards? What if I had a thousand people, each shuffling twenty decks? Tell me how improbable something has to be for the magic to happen and we can arrange to contrive that number by shuffling cards and we'll see if we can spot the paranormal running around fucking with things.

Taking such a line of thought does not mean one "rejects science" or any other unreasonable rhetorical device used by the sorts of people who use overt rhetorical devices.

Absolutely it does. You are positing some entity or influence with no evidence for its existence.

[Dyakovo]

Don't dictate people's beliefs for them. It's not a matter of caring, it's a matter of education.

So people who don't believe in evolution aren't educated?

Yes.

[Torisakia]

So any 4.00 GPA college student who believes in creationism solely on their religious views in uneducated.

Uneducated in the field of science, yes. Intelligence or even knowledge in many fields does not negate the lack of knowledge in one field.

Now I suppose you'll say "Anyone who doesn't believe in evolution can't go to college."

Depends on what they're studying. If they plan on studying biology or medicine, no.

Good for you.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

I would like to know where exactly was this sample taken from.

This.

[Divair]

Uneducated in the field of science, yes. Intelligence or even knowledge in many fields does not negate the lack of knowledge in one field.


Depends on what they're studying. If they plan on studying biology or medicine, no.

Good for you.

I'll take that as a concession. Good day.

[Dyakovo]

They either missed the opportunity to be scientifically educated or they refused it due to willful ignorance, yes.

While your at it, let's shun and maim everyone who isn't "educated". Because we all know the people who believe in Creationism aren't educated. /sarcasm

Who said anything about shunning or maiming?

Also, weren't you leaving?

[Torisakia]

Good for you.

I'll take that as a concession. Good day.

Not really a good day when you have to argue with children...

[Ifreann]

No, there is no way in which creationism is right.

No, there is no way in which evolution(or creationism) is right.

Evolution is an indisputable fact.

[Divair]

Not really a good day when you have to argue with children...

Your inability to debate is not my problem, nor a reason to go around insulting people.

[Divair]

While your at it, let's shun and maim everyone who isn't "educated". Because we all know the people who believe in Creationism aren't educated. /sarcasm

Who said anything about shunning or maiming?

Also, weren't you leaving?

We're just too damn attractive for him to leave

[Dyakovo]

No, there is no way in which creationism is right.

No, there is no way in which evolution(or creationism) is right.

Thus proving you know nothing about evolution...

[New Libertarian States]

I currently believe on evolution.

You stand on it and believe things?

The knowledge goes through my feet.

[Ifreann]

I'll take that as a concession. Good day.

Not really a good day when you have to argue with children...

You don't have to argue with anyone here. You can leave. Indeed, didn't you say you were leaving NSG a while ago?