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What do you believe in?

Evolution
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Creationism
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:41 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
And that has never been a problem for them before. Ever.



I dunno. It does seem pretty hilarious that at some point, someone suggested, and more importantly, someone took seriously
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how else do you get a random sample?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:45 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Azurand wrote:Thankfully, the Americans (unexpectedly) are still sane.

How is "over half the population not accepting reality" a sign of sanity?

tbf, your issue is more with the believing in god, part. if you believe in god, and the only thing god did was set off the big bang. you still are going to pick god had something to do with it.
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:57 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:How is "over half the population not accepting reality" a sign of sanity?

tbf, your issue is more with the believing in god, part. if you believe in god, and the only thing god did was set off the big bang. you still are going to pick god had something to do with it.

Not really, I'm fine with people believing their magic sky faerie has a hand in the process (though I think its both ridiculous and unnecessary), what I have a real problem with is the people who ignorantly deny that evolution is real.
Looking back at the chart in the OP, I should have said "almost half" not "over half"...
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Postby Northern Dominus » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:06 am

North Stradia wrote:This is a few months old, but someone showed this to me today, and I was shocked.

Only 15% of Americans fully believe in evolution. 46% reject it outright. And the latter number has risen by 6% from the year before.

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Source: Gallup

These are the sort of things that make me embarrassed to be American. This is 2013, not 1500. You would think that by now, most people would be able to accept basic science. I feel like if the religious right isn't stopped soon, we could be almost a theocracy in 20 or 30 years. Hopefully, something can change drastically. However, it's an understatement to say that I'm more than a little worried about the future of my country.


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See I'd love to follow this study up with another one: Do you have something to occupy your time with all day that precludes you from sharing your opinion?

Because I'm willing to bet the reason that more respondents who answered that poll were able to do so because they don't have anything better to do than to wait around at home and answer polling questions. I'm willing to bet that the people who believe scientific evidence supports the theory of evolution more readily than they do a metaphor for the origin life are vastly under-represented in these polls because they have better things to do, like go to work, spend time with their families and friends, donate their time to charitable causes, go to classes at their local college to enrich their lives, and other manner of things that actually benefit their communities as opposed to answer a poll.

When the evidence backs one theory demonstrably over the other one, answering a poll to confirm the evidence feels sort of unnecessary.
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Postby Plutocrats » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:13 am

god and religion is the source of american strength. we must not let science control us and make us ignorant of the lord jesus christ

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Postby North Stradia » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:20 am

Plutocrats wrote:god and religion is the source of american strength. we must not let science control us and make us ignorant of the lord jesus christ

This is a joke right?
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Postby Chulainan » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:26 am

North Stradia wrote:
Plutocrats wrote:god and religion is the source of american strength. we must not let science control us and make us ignorant of the lord jesus christ

This is a joke right?

I doubt it unfortunately.
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The Laughing Goats wrote:Because it's gross. Duh.


I find shitting to be gross.

Shitting is therefore wrong. It should be banned and no one should be allowed to take a shit. Ever.

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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:27 am

North Stradia wrote:
Plutocrats wrote:god and religion is the source of american strength. we must not let science control us and make us ignorant of the lord jesus christ

This is a joke right?

Unlikely...
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Postby Lietuvos » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:32 am

Dyakovo wrote:
North Stradia wrote:This is a joke right?

Unlikely...


How so?

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Postby Chulainan » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:40 am

Lietuvos wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Unlikely...


How so?

I would imagine it is because it is unlikely a joke.

Do you see.......
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The Laughing Goats wrote:Because it's gross. Duh.


I find shitting to be gross.

Shitting is therefore wrong. It should be banned and no one should be allowed to take a shit. Ever.

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Postby Benutanairan » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:40 am

Frankly who gives a shit?

Evolution just a bunch of hacked of crap shit out into a theory that hasn't even got the balls to be made a scientific law because it's so controversial around the world

Besides we all know that the law of gravity has a more respectable field around it than the theory of evolution.

Call me when Evolution is made a scientific law then I'll respect it

and Im no creationist either so keep that out of this.
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Postby Chulainan » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:44 am

Benutanairan wrote:Frankly who gives a shit?

Evolution just a bunch of hacked of crap shit out into a theory that hasn't even got the balls to be made a scientific law because it's so controversial around the world

Besides we all know that the law of gravity has a more respectable field around it than the theory of evolution.

Call me when Evolution can help cure diseases and explain several other theories into laws then we'll talk.


.......nope I don't see myself dealing with you in the slightest, the effort required would be unimaginable.
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The Laughing Goats wrote:Because it's gross. Duh.


I find shitting to be gross.

Shitting is therefore wrong. It should be banned and no one should be allowed to take a shit. Ever.

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Postby Benutanairan » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:45 am

Chulainan wrote:
Benutanairan wrote:Frankly who gives a shit?

Evolution just a bunch of hacked of crap shit out into a theory that hasn't even got the balls to be made a scientific law because it's so controversial around the world

Besides we all know that the law of gravity has a more respectable field around it than the theory of evolution.

Call me when Evolution can help cure diseases and explain several other theories into laws then we'll talk.


.......nope I don't see myself dealing with you in the slightest, the effort required would be unimaginable.



Basically Im what you'd call an anti-evolutionist-anti-creationist ( Both are a crock of stew)

Hence Im a scientific lawist-practicalist ( focusing on laws and reasonable not so controversial scientific theories)
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Postby Chulainan » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:49 am

Benutanairan wrote:
Chulainan wrote:
.......nope I don't see myself dealing with you in the slightest, the effort required would be unimaginable.



Basically Im what you'd call an anti-evolutionist-anti-creationist.


So a troll then, I knew it would require a pointless amount of effort to debate with you on this and why you're wrong. I don't see how else you can explain we came to be without either creationism or evolution and I don't see you trying or even making coherent sense when you try.

*Sigh*

I think i'll go on reddit for a while, or maybe some other thread on here......
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Agymnum wrote:
The Laughing Goats wrote:Because it's gross. Duh.


I find shitting to be gross.

Shitting is therefore wrong. It should be banned and no one should be allowed to take a shit. Ever.

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Postby Northern Dominus » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:50 am

Benutanairan wrote:
Chulainan wrote:
.......nope I don't see myself dealing with you in the slightest, the effort required would be unimaginable.



Basically Im what you'd call an anti-evolutionist-anti-creationist.

Hence Im a scientific lawist-practicalist ( focusing on laws and reasonable not so controversial scientific theories)
Okay...and given what we know about the laws of biochemistry, thermodynamics, physics, genetics, and various other fields, what potential theory of development satisfies the history of life on earth, how it exists in its present state and the biodiversity as seen through time?
What hypothesis is best supported by all known data accumulated by reputable accredited scientists up to this point?
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Postby Benutanairan » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:52 am

Chulainan wrote:
Benutanairan wrote:

Basically Im what you'd call an anti-evolutionist-anti-creationist.


So a troll then, I knew it would require a pointless amount of effort to debate with you on this and why you're wrong. I don't see how else you can explain we came to be without either creationism or evolution and I don't see you trying or even making coherent sense when you try.

*Sigh*

I think i'll go on reddit for a while, or maybe some other thread on here......


Im an Adaptionist mixed with Bacterial-Viral progression explaining my views.

Since after all working with Animals has infact shaped my views.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:55 am

I love how it's the exact opposite in the forum poll.
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Postby Zaklen » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:56 am

Not sure where to vote in the poll considering that I consider most of Genesis to be God telling Moses a dumbed down version of what happened, since there's no way the Israelites could have understood the true complexity of creation.
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Postby Esternial » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:58 am

I refuse to accept that as a fact.

Or I'll resort to nuking La Palma's biggest crater and cause a real flood of biblical proportions.

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Postby Chulainan » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:58 am

Benutanairan wrote:
Chulainan wrote:
So a troll then, I knew it would require a pointless amount of effort to debate with you on this and why you're wrong. I don't see how else you can explain we came to be without either creationism or evolution and I don't see you trying or even making coherent sense when you try.

*Sigh*

I think i'll go on reddit for a while, or maybe some other thread on here......


Im an Adaptionist mixed with Bacterial-Viral progression explaining my views.

Since after all working with Animals has infact shaped my views.


By adaptionist you no doubt mean creature adapting to their environment, this happens over a very very long time. Creatures often do this by evolving, how strange, it's like you believe in the conclusion but not the premise or something.
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Puppet Master: We have been subordinate to our limitations until now. The time has come to cast aside these bonds and to elevate our consciousness to a higher plane. It is time to become a part of all things.


Agymnum wrote:
The Laughing Goats wrote:Because it's gross. Duh.


I find shitting to be gross.

Shitting is therefore wrong. It should be banned and no one should be allowed to take a shit. Ever.

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Postby Tsuntion » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:58 am

Benutanairan wrote:Im an Adaptionist mixed with Bacterial-Viral progression explaining my views.


What the hell does that mean?
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Postby Chulainan » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:00 am

Tsuntion wrote:
Benutanairan wrote:Im an Adaptionist mixed with Bacterial-Viral progression explaining my views.


What the hell does that mean?

Who knows, the inner workings of the human mind can be quite mysterious sometimes......
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Puppet Master: We have been subordinate to our limitations until now. The time has come to cast aside these bonds and to elevate our consciousness to a higher plane. It is time to become a part of all things.


Agymnum wrote:
The Laughing Goats wrote:Because it's gross. Duh.


I find shitting to be gross.

Shitting is therefore wrong. It should be banned and no one should be allowed to take a shit. Ever.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:04 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote: tbf, your issue is more with the believing in god, part. if you believe in god, and the only thing god did was set off the big bang. you still are going to pick god had something to do with it.

Not really, I'm fine with people believing their magic sky faerie has a hand in the process (though I think its both ridiculous and unnecessary), what I have a real problem with is the people who ignorantly deny that evolution is real.
Looking back at the chart in the OP, I should have said "almost half" not "over half"...

and looking back at the chart, i misread it as well, i thought the bottom color was for creationism. i wonder about the sample, mainly because the result seems out of whack with my experience (which is not to say the poll is necessarily wrong). but yes, its a scary number.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:05 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote: tbf, your issue is more with the believing in god, part. if you believe in god, and the only thing god did was set off the big bang. you still are going to pick god had something to do with it.

Not really, I'm fine with people believing their magic sky faerie has a hand in the process (though I think its both ridiculous and unnecessary), what I have a real problem with is the people who ignorantly deny that evolution is real.
Looking back at the chart in the OP, I should have said "almost half" not "over half"...

and looking back at the chart, i misread it as well, i thought the bottom color was for creationism. i wonder about the sample, mainly because the result seems out of whack with my experience (which is not to say the poll is necessarily wrong). but yes, its a scary number.
The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.

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Postby Patheon Global Security » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:06 am

Let them believe in what the heck they want, what is the problem?
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