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Postby Mike the Progressive » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:23 am

North Stradia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I haven't insulted anyone, I've insulted only belief systems.
Your use of the word 'Militant Atheist' as a describer of Atheists on this thread is either patently dishonest or ignorant.
Do you even know what the word 'Militant' means? It means to be violent or engage in combat for a cause.
The Crusaders and Jihadists are Militant. Atheists, or frankly ANYONE who is simply arguing on a forum are NOT Militant.

Reminds me of this photo:

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Really? I'm sort of reminded of the Bolsheviks in Russia who killed a few thousand Orthodox clergymen or mostly everybody under Stalin, Mao. Atheism is fine, militant anything is not. Interestingly enough, posts in a thread talking about Christian activist who is being charged with "crimes against humanity" shows me of people who were perfectly willing to ignore the actual facts of the story, ignore his 1st amendment right, all because they hate the man and his religion. So yeah, there are atheists who don't give two fucks about "oppressing" religion not as in taking away "In God we trust" on coins but saying "hey, let's get rid of churches." They just aren't many of them. Give it some time though. Humanity's ability to produce stupidity out of nothing all under the guide of progress has always astonished me, even if a frequent thing.

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:24 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Occupied Deutschland wrote:Even then senses aren't reliable though.

I mean, our senses get all kinds of fucked when it comes to observing particles, and that is (as far as we know) without any psychotropic drugs being used by the observer.


Secretly for the past 50 years all scientists have been stoned out of their goddamn minds during experiments and watching the trippy shit unfold.
They never tell anyone, and reason "Hell, if anything weird happens the others will notice and i'll just agree. I can get away with it. Have so far."

Makes a disturbing amount of sense.

It also explains a LOT about the naming of subatomic particles.

"Man, we'll just call 'em, like, red green and blue neutrinos. Then, we'll have, like, red-antigreen pairs and shit. It makes sense right?" *cough* "Pass the Fritos, man."
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Postby Mushet » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:25 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Mushet wrote:Can't you just admit that I'm right :p

I'm a stubborn bastard, what do you think? :P

I think you can, I think you can, I think you can :p

Come on Sheniqua, I even looked up definitions and generated arguments that weren't about sex :p
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Postby Kazarogkai » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:25 am

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Tlaceceyaya wrote:No, they didn't believe that the world was flat. They even got its circumference right to within a few hundred kilometres.


One of them did, but the general view was the world was flat. Aristotle I believe was the main propagator of this, it may have been Plato though. I need to go to my library.


Ok I found who it was, it was not Aristotle it was Pythagoras he started that stuff.
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Postby North Stradia » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:25 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
North Stradia wrote:Reminds me of this photo:

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Really? I'm sort of reminded of the Bolsheviks in Russia who killed a few thousand Orthodox clergymen or mostly everybody under Stalin, Mao. Atheism is fine, militant anything is not. Interestingly enough, posts in a thread talking about Christian activist who is being charged with "crimes against humanity" shows me of people who were perfectly willing to ignore the actual facts of the story, ignore his 1st amendment right, all because they hate the man and his religion. So yeah, there are atheists who don't give two fucks about "oppressing" religion not as in taking away "In God we trust" on coins but saying "hey, let's get rid of churches." They just aren't many of them. Give it some time though. Humanity's ability to produce stupidity out of nothing all under the guide of progress has always astonished me, even if a frequent thing.

Yes, Stalin and Mao were atheist, but their mass killings were motivated by Communism, not atheism.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:25 am

North Stradia wrote:
Mushet wrote:Because Christianity is the only religion in the US right? :roll:

We don't hear Hindu, Jewish or Buddhist creationists demanding everyone else to conform to their own beliefs.


If I recall correctly, we hear several problems with Hinduism and its rigid caste system. But we are Westerners, our culture is part Christian and therefore that is our natural target. Islam is our second, because the Middle East is a region of interest at the moment.

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Postby Xathranaar » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:26 am

Occupied Deutschland wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Secretly for the past 50 years all scientists have been stoned out of their goddamn minds during experiments and watching the trippy shit unfold.
They never tell anyone, and reason "Hell, if anything weird happens the others will notice and i'll just agree. I can get away with it. Have so far."

Makes a disturbing amount of sense.

It also explains a LOT about the naming of subatomic particles.

"Man, we'll just call 'em, like, red green and blue neutrinos. Then, we'll have, like, red-antigreen pairs and shit. It makes sense right?" *cough* "Pass the Fritos, man."

Naw, if this were the case we would have subatomic particles called, "Fritos" and "Doritos" by now.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:27 am

Mushet wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:I'm a stubborn bastard, what do you think? :P

I think you can, I think you can, I think you can :p

Come on Sheniqua, I even looked up definitions and generated arguments that weren't about sex :p

Which is a bonus. :P

Conceded. *nod*
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Postby Mushet » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:27 am

North Stradia wrote:
Mushet wrote:Because Christianity is the only religion in the US right? :roll:

We don't hear Hindu, Jewish or Buddhist creationists demanding everyone else to conform to their own beliefs.

And what does that have to do with the core belief of creationism? You can believe in both, there are plenty that do, it should be a poll option
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Postby Kazarogkai » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:27 am

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Mushet wrote:Because Christianity is the only religion in the US right? :roll:

The only one with a vast majority.


There are quite a few Muslims and Buddhists in America also, Christians form roughly 77% of the us population, 23% is a significant minority in most cases and should not be overlooked
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:27 am

Xathranaar wrote:
Occupied Deutschland wrote:Makes a disturbing amount of sense.

It also explains a LOT about the naming of subatomic particles.

"Man, we'll just call 'em, like, red green and blue neutrinos. Then, we'll have, like, red-antigreen pairs and shit. It makes sense right?" *cough* "Pass the Fritos, man."

Naw, if this were the case we would have subatomic particles called, "Fritos" and "Doritos" by now.

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Postby Risottia » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:27 am

Poll fail for stupid options.

You don't "believe in Evolution". Evolution ain't religion. No faith required.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:28 am

North Stradia wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
Really? I'm sort of reminded of the Bolsheviks in Russia who killed a few thousand Orthodox clergymen or mostly everybody under Stalin, Mao. Atheism is fine, militant anything is not. Interestingly enough, posts in a thread talking about Christian activist who is being charged with "crimes against humanity" shows me of people who were perfectly willing to ignore the actual facts of the story, ignore his 1st amendment right, all because they hate the man and his religion. So yeah, there are atheists who don't give two fucks about "oppressing" religion not as in taking away "In God we trust" on coins but saying "hey, let's get rid of churches." They just aren't many of them. Give it some time though. Humanity's ability to produce stupidity out of nothing all under the guide of progress has always astonished me, even if a frequent thing.

Yes, Stalin and Mao were atheist, but their mass killings were motivated by Communism, not atheism.


Some of the killings were religious purges. Especially in ones where religion played a large role. That includes Russia under the Tsar and China during its before, during and after its Civil War.

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Postby Mushet » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:29 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Mushet wrote:I think you can, I think you can, I think you can :p

Come on Sheniqua, I even looked up definitions and generated arguments that weren't about sex :p

Which is a bonus. :P

Conceded. *nod*

Hooray, I got a woman to admit I was right, this doesn't happen often, celebration time :p
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Postby Jessjohnesik » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:29 am

Kazarogkai wrote:
Jessjohnesik wrote:
If you are a completely healthy person, and you are in a situation in which you can only use your instict, your senses will not fail.


senses arent always perfect, with their senses the Greeks believed that the world was flat, their senses were wrong. senses do not always work perfectly fine and are not always able to give the correct answer. The Greeks using their senses and observations developed many scientific beliefs many of which were wrong, senses alone arent reliable to give a perfect answer.


Wait, weren't they talking about sensory organs. Also what you said about the Greeks is partially right, however the Greeks didn't have the technology and yet even though people like Archimedes still made almost correct observations which were, for that time, incredible.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:29 am

Mushet wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Which is a bonus. :P

Conceded. *nod*

Hooray, I got a woman to admit I was right, this doesn't happen often, celebration time :p

You're not going to get another one. :P
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Postby Kazarogkai » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:30 am

Genivaria wrote:
Kazarogkai wrote:
get over it, you insult someone they may insult you back.

I haven't insulted anyone, I've insulted only belief systems.
Your use of the word 'Militant Atheist' as a describer of Atheists on this thread is either patently dishonest or ignorant.
Do you even know what the word 'Militant' means? It means to be violent or engage in combat for a cause.
The Crusaders and Jihadists are Militant. Atheists, or frankly ANYONE who is simply arguing on a forum are NOT Militant.


Because they are a strong pillar of peoples lives insulting someones belief system is basically insulting the person themselves since they are so important in many peoples lives so as such, yes you are insulting people. especially something that is so important to them.
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Postby Agymnum » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:31 am

I'm not really surprised. Americans have always prided themselves on being rugged individualists. Being moronic believers in false religions comes with the territory.
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Postby Mushet » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:32 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Mushet wrote:Hooray, I got a woman to admit I was right, this doesn't happen often, celebration time :p

You're not going to get another one. :P

Next argument I win with you I'll prove that wrong as well, it'll be a toofer :p
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Postby Neu Acadie » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:33 am

Risottia wrote:Poll fail for stupid options.

You don't "believe in Evolution". Evolution ain't religion. No faith required.

Yes, you absolutely do "believe" in Evolution. You take scientist at their word (Both written and spoken) that what they are saying is true. Mostly because being an expert in every field of science and being capable of independently verifying every single statement/experiment is impossible. Humans do not live long enough to do this.

I have no idea why people insist on being so pedantic, but it is annoying. We should stop that.

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Postby Individuality-ness » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:33 am

Mushet wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:You're not going to get another one. :P

Next argument I win with you I'll prove that wrong as well, it'll be a toofer :p

Good luck with that Mushster. :P
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Postby Falcania » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:34 am

Strictly speaking I'm not sure that god-guided evolution is incompatible with scientific principles.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:35 am

Kazarogkai wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I haven't insulted anyone, I've insulted only belief systems.
Your use of the word 'Militant Atheist' as a describer of Atheists on this thread is either patently dishonest or ignorant.
Do you even know what the word 'Militant' means? It means to be violent or engage in combat for a cause.
The Crusaders and Jihadists are Militant. Atheists, or frankly ANYONE who is simply arguing on a forum are NOT Militant.


Because they are a strong pillar of peoples lives insulting someones belief system is basically insulting the person themselves since they are so important in many peoples lives so as such, yes you are insulting people. especially something that is so important to them.

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Postby Mushet » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:35 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Mushet wrote:Next argument I win with you I'll prove that wrong as well, it'll be a toofer :p

Good luck with that Mushster. :P

Thank You :p
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Postby Kazarogkai » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:36 am

Jessjohnesik wrote:
Kazarogkai wrote:
senses arent always perfect, with their senses the Greeks believed that the world was flat, their senses were wrong. senses do not always work perfectly fine and are not always able to give the correct answer. The Greeks using their senses and observations developed many scientific beliefs many of which were wrong, senses alone arent reliable to give a perfect answer.


Wait, weren't they talking about sensory organs. Also what you said about the Greeks is partially right, however the Greeks didn't have the technology and yet even though people like Archimedes still made almost correct observations which were, for that time, incredible.


many of the tings attributed to Archimedes were kinda outlandish but otherwise he was a remarkable man, when people think ancient people they think they were completely useless but this is not always true. Example, the incans with stone tools were able to successfully perform skull surgery on people in order to relive inflammation and fluid build up caused by falls(happens a lot in the mountains) and battle wounds, they had a roughly 90% success/living rate.
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