Only 15% of Americans accept evolution.

[Conscentia]

No, but Occam's Razor.

Is getting rather blunt I imagine.

No, I sharpened it this mourning.

[Dyakovo]

your thread title is incredibly misleading, according to the results of the poll, 47% of Americans accept evolution, not 15%

No, they dont.
15% agree with theory of evolution.
32% agree with theistic evolution.
46% agree with mumbo jumbo.

Fixed your numbers...

[Laerod]

Also the person who started this topic says they are embarrassed to be American because of these draconian religious beliefs but if you go anywhere else in the world religion has a much stronger influence on society. We are the least spiritual country in the world. So were would you go were religious isn't a common belief among the people and an important part of their lives whatever that religion might be. So is it only the strong left then that have "educated " brains and everyone else is suck in some out dated belief system? That's what your statement sounds like to me either that or you don't know anything about the cultures of the rest of the world.

False. See Europe.

[Esternial]

Very common on NS. Atheist for exampke do tge same bakc at greater magnitude, if only for their larger presence. What he is doing is very human regardless of religious beluefs.

"You do it, too" is not a good reason for much of anything.

Especially because we actually have something to support our arguments that state we disagree.

If only they'd respond with the same courtesy, but alas. Bullshit is all we get; my crops are already saturated with it.

[Parhe]

Very common on NS. Atheist for exampke do tge same bakc at greater magnitude, if only for their larger presence. What he is doing is very human regardless of religious beluefs.

"You do it, too" is not a good reason for much of anything.

It is not abd I never said it was. I assume then that you agree with me tgat no one, regardless of religion, should malign people who disagree. Thank you for helping my point. Though my point originally was that it is more a general human trait than one exclusive to Christians.

[Farnhamia]

Show us some evidence of this supernatural being that has been tested scientifically, where the results were positive. And not things that are not unexplained or understood, but actual evidence that Yahweh exists.

Ah so you are one of those belueving god has a place in the study of science. Please explain why as I personally believe as I said in the quote you read that God has no place in it as there is no way to prove him using scuence.

People claim he exists. I ask to be shown the evidence that he does. Telling me that he can't be proved by science is not an answer. I don't care what you believe. Believe away. Just please don't pretend that this supernatural being has done things in the real world. That's all I ask.

[Vortropolis]

Ok.

[Parhe]

Ah so you are one of those belueving god has a place in the study of science. Please explain why as I personally believe as I said in the quote you read that God has no place in it as there is no way to prove him using scuence.

People claim he exists. I ask to be shown the evidence that he does. Telling me that he can't be proved by science is not an answer. I don't care what you believe. Believe away. Just please don't pretend that this supernatural being has done things in the real world. That's all I ask.

I will believe what I wish and say what I wish as long as it is within rules and laws.

I personally do not believe one exists or not, much easier not thinking of the subject.

However you seem to misinterpret my point being science and religion should not mix in the study .

[Farnhamia]

People claim he exists. I ask to be shown the evidence that he does. Telling me that he can't be proved by science is not an answer. I don't care what you believe. Believe away. Just please don't pretend that this supernatural being has done things in the real world. That's all I ask.

I will believe what I wish and say what I wish as long as it is within rules and laws.

I personally do not believe one exists or not, much easier not thinking of the subject.

However you seem to misinterpret my point being science and religion should not mix in the study .

If I misunderstood you, I apologize.

[Esternial]

Ok.

If that's all you wanted the post you shouldn't have posted at all.

[Vortropolis]

Ok.

If that's all you wanted the post you shouldn't have posted at all.

I was saying I understand, don't get all offensive now.

[Great Nepal]

No, they dont.
15% agree with theory of evolution.
32% agree with theistic evolution.
46% agree with mumbo jumbo.

Fixed your numbers...

Thanks.
Wonder if remaining 7% were kidnapped by Flying Spaghetti Monster...

However you seem to misinterpret my point being science and religion should not mix in the study .

So religion should no longer attempt to barge into stem cell research labs, barge into classrooms and barge into parliaments?

[The New Confederation of Free States]

This is a few months old, but someone showed this to me today, and I was shocked.

Only 15% of Americans fully believe in evolution. 46% reject it outright. And the latter number has risen by 6% from the year before.

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Source: Gallup

These are the sort of things that make me embarrassed to be American. This is 2013, not 1500. You would think that by now, most people would be able to accept basic science. I feel like if the religious right isn't stopped soon, we could be almost a theocracy in 20 or 30 years. Hopefully, something can change drastically. However, it's an understatement to say that I'm more than a little worried about the future of my country.


edited for grammar

Here's my thing though. Who cares? How many of these supposed 46% of Americans have jobs that require them to deal with evolution? I don't particularly care if my tax agent or auto mechanic or w/e believe people were only created afew thousand years ago; it doesn't make them any less efficient or less competitive (except of course in the eyes of anyone too close-minded to except opinions different from their own, but the same could be said about any number of groups).
As for your conspiracy about the "religious right," personal religious beliefs and free speech are core tenants of our society/Constitution/government. The right isn't trying to keep you from atheism, let them have their beliefs as well. And really, are you kidding me? In what world is America becoming more religious??? If anything we're losing our Constitutional rights...

[Esternial]

This is a few months old, but someone showed this to me today, and I was shocked.

Only 15% of Americans fully believe in evolution. 46% reject it outright. And the latter number has risen by 6% from the year before.

(Image)
Source: Gallup

These are the sort of things that make me embarrassed to be American. This is 2013, not 1500. You would think that by now, most people would be able to accept basic science. I feel like if the religious right isn't stopped soon, we could be almost a theocracy in 20 or 30 years. Hopefully, something can change drastically. However, it's an understatement to say that I'm more than a little worried about the future of my country.


edited for grammar

Here's my thing though. Who cares? How many of these supposed 46% of Americans have jobs that require them to deal with evolution? I don't particularly care if my tax agent or auto mechanic or w/e believe people were only created afew thousand years ago; it doesn't make them any less efficient or less competitive (except of course in the eyes of anyone too close-minded to except opinions different from their own, but the same could be said about any number of groups).
As for your conspiracy about the "religious right," personal religious beliefs and free speech are core tenants of our society/Constitution/government. The right isn't trying to keep you from atheism, let them have their beliefs as well. And really, are you kidding me? In what world is America becoming more religious??? If anything we're losing our Constitutional rights...

Evolution is pretty important in biochemistry, considering we work with microorganisms. If you don't believe in evolution you will have trouble understanding several concepts, because it's considered 'basic knowledge'.

Those people happen to be the people that develop antibiotics and other drugs that make sure you - for example - don't die from the influenza virus.

[Farnhamia]

This is a few months old, but someone showed this to me today, and I was shocked.

Only 15% of Americans fully believe in evolution. 46% reject it outright. And the latter number has risen by 6% from the year before.

(Image)
Source: Gallup

These are the sort of things that make me embarrassed to be American. This is 2013, not 1500. You would think that by now, most people would be able to accept basic science. I feel like if the religious right isn't stopped soon, we could be almost a theocracy in 20 or 30 years. Hopefully, something can change drastically. However, it's an understatement to say that I'm more than a little worried about the future of my country.


edited for grammar

Here's my thing though. Who cares? How many of these supposed 46% of Americans have jobs that require them to deal with evolution? I don't particularly care if my tax agent or auto mechanic or w/e believe people were only created afew thousand years ago; it doesn't make them any less efficient or less competitive (except of course in the eyes of anyone too close-minded to except opinions different from their own, but the same could be said about any number of groups).
As for your conspiracy about the "religious right," personal religious beliefs and free speech are core tenants of our society/Constitution/government. The right isn't trying to keep you from atheism, let them have their beliefs as well. And really, are you kidding me? In what world is America becoming more religious??? If anything we're losing our Constitutional rights...

It makes a difference to me, at least, that so many people don't accept one of the basic principles of science. The "religious right conspiracy" comes in when they try to insert their beliefs into public school classrooms and teach mythology (creationism) as science. That offends me.

[Individuality-ness]

Here's my thing though. Who cares? How many of these supposed 46% of Americans have jobs that require them to deal with evolution?

Quite a bit, actually. We have breeders, teachers, scientists, doctors, parents, politicians (who have to deal with what is to be taught in our nation's schools)... and then we have the voting population. Oh right...

I don't particularly care if my tax agent or auto mechanic or w/e believe people were only created afew thousand years ago; it doesn't make them any less efficient or less competitive (except of course in the eyes of anyone too close-minded to except opinions different from their own, but the same could be said about any number of groups).

I would, since they vote for politicians who choose what our kids learn in schools.

As for your conspiracy about the "religious right," personal religious beliefs and free speech are core tenants of our society/Constitution/government.

Freedom from religion is a part of freedom of religion.

Separation of church and state, the US is a secular nation, Treaty of Tripoli, blah blah blah.

The right isn't trying to keep you from atheism, let them have their beliefs as well. And really, are you kidding me? In what world is America becoming more religious??? If anything we're losing our Constitutional rights...

Yes, but because the neo-conservatives insist that we must have prayer in schools, that we must teach creationism - I'm sorry, intelligent design in schools, that gays should not have the right to get married, etc. Not because we're trying to teach science in a science classroom, where it belongs.

[Conscentia]

Fixed your numbers...

Thanks.
Wonder if remaining 7% were kidnapped by Flying Spaghetti Monster...
[...]

They were touched by his noodley appendage.

[Ende]

89 pages summed up in a single paragraph.

Damnnnnn.

Summed up incorrectly.

Now go away since you have nothing to contribute.

Actually, it was summed up more or less correctly.

Also, I'm not leaving any time soon.

[The New Confederation of Free States]

Here's my thing though. Who cares? How many of these supposed 46% of Americans have jobs that require them to deal with evolution?

Quite a bit, actually. We have breeders, teachers, scientists, doctors, parents, politicians (who have to deal with what is to be taught in our nation's schools)... and then we have the voting population. Oh right...

I don't particularly care if my tax agent or auto mechanic or w/e believe people were only created afew thousand years ago; it doesn't make them any less efficient or less competitive (except of course in the eyes of anyone too close-minded to except opinions different from their own, but the same could be said about any number of groups).

I would, since they vote for politicians who choose what our kids learn in schools.

As for your conspiracy about the "religious right," personal religious beliefs and free speech are core tenants of our society/Constitution/government.

Freedom from religion is a part of freedom of religion.

Separation of church and state, the US is a secular nation, Treaty of Tripoli, blah blah blah.

The right isn't trying to keep you from atheism, let them have their beliefs as well. And really, are you kidding me? In what world is America becoming more religious??? If anything we're losing our Constitutional rights...

Yes, but because the neo-conservatives insist that we must have prayer in schools, that we must teach creationism - I'm sorry, intelligent design in schools, that gays should not have the right to get married, etc. Not because we're trying to teach science in a science classroom, where it belongs.

In order:
1) I'm assuming the people who make it though medical school and science programs do in fact believe in evolution
2) I guess you have a point there, but remember: 46% is not a majority and if some town decides to teach intelligent design in it's schools then what skin is it off your back and what would you do about it? Get the Federal government involved in it?
3) Freedom of religion means the government isn't going to adopt an official religion, force a religion on you, or persecute you for your religion/atheism. It doesn't mean that people can only worship in their homes and churches or that any expression of faith in public place or by a public official must be stopped, which I honestly believe many of the more radical atheist groups support and have been somewhat successful in doing.
4) Sure, there are politicians advocating that. But how much support do they have, on a national level? Are the acts they put in place, like Clinton's DOMA, gaining or losing support?

[Sociobiology]

Here's my thing though. Who cares? How many of these supposed 46% of Americans have jobs that require them to deal with evolution?

considering all of them are produced by evolution, engaged in evolution, and have nearly every decision heavily influenced by evolved instincts... I would say... all of them.

then you get things like illness, medicine, food, ect. which again heavily influenced by evolution.
people are biological, so understanding at least the basics of biology, influences everyone.

[Sociobiology]

Fixed your numbers...

Thanks.
Wonder if remaining 7% were kidnapped by Flying Spaghetti Monster...

in a Gallup the 7% would be those that answer the survey but not that question.

[Farnhamia]

Quite a bit, actually. We have breeders, teachers, scientists, doctors, parents, politicians (who have to deal with what is to be taught in our nation's schools)... and then we have the voting population. Oh right...


I would, since they vote for politicians who choose what our kids learn in schools.


Freedom from religion is a part of freedom of religion.

Separation of church and state, the US is a secular nation, Treaty of Tripoli, blah blah blah.


Yes, but because the neo-conservatives insist that we must have prayer in schools, that we must teach creationism - I'm sorry, intelligent design in schools, that gays should not have the right to get married, etc. Not because we're trying to teach science in a science classroom, where it belongs.

In order:
1) I'm assuming the people who make it though medical school and science programs do in fact believe in evolution
2) I guess you have a point there, but remember: 46% is not a majority and if some town decides to teach intelligent design in it's schools then what skin is it off your back and what would you do about it? Get the Federal government involved in it?
3) Freedom of religion means the government isn't going to adopt an official religion, force a religion on you, or persecute you for your religion/atheism. It doesn't mean that people can only worship in their homes and churches or that any expression of faith in public place or by a public official must be stopped, which I honestly believe many of the more radical atheist groups support and have been somewhat successful in doing.
4) Sure, there are politicians advocating that. But how much support do they have, on a national level? Are the acts they put in place, like Clinton's DOMA, gaining or losing support?

2) It doesn't matter if there's a majority or not. The Federal courts have said that "intelligent design" or "creation science" are religion and so cannot be taught in publicly funded schools.
3) You just can't give even the appearance that the government is doing that. Express yourself all you like as a private citizen, even in the public square, O Public Official, just do it on your own time.

[Libertarian California]

I think that more than 15% of Americans accept evolution...

[Farnhamia]

I think that more than 15% of Americans accept evolution...

Of course. The numbers are badly presented.

[Libertarian California]

I think that more than 15% of Americans accept evolution...

Of course. The numbers are badly presented.

We may be "dumb" compared to those uppity Europeans, but we're not that dumb.