Only 15% of Americans accept evolution.

[Mavorpen]

What scares me is the extreme left who have no science to back their claims but want to destroy religion and leave people without a moral compass as people have shown they can not be trusted to guide themselves from a moral stand point. The study of string theory maybe be science but it hasn't been proven so to say that String Theory is science is wrong, it is Theory not fact. The let want us to except their theory as fact when it has no more bases in truth than the belief in God. At least the belief in God offers something . Do you ever seen groups of left wing scientist out helping the poor or contributing to anything but their own wants?

String Theory isn't a theory, it's a conceptual framework from which scientists are attempting to combine two "opposing" theories.

[Conscentia]

your thread title is incredibly misleading, according to the results of the poll, 47% of Americans accept evolution, not 15%

No, they dont.
15% agree with theory of evolution.
32% agree with theistic evolution.
[46]% agree with mumbo jumbo.

15% agree with theory of evolution.
32% agree with mumbo jumbo.
46% agree with a different kind of mumbo jumbo.

[Individuality-ness]

Evolution has even less evidence. Yes creationalism is based on faith which in my view contributes more to society when the actual teachings are followed through the moral demands it imposes of its followers. It falls apart with corrupt organized religion. However that is another topic. There really is no proof of evolution, there is more proof of events in the bible than evolution. Nothing has ever evolved but de-evolved, in other words it loses dna not gains DNA. Dogs are a good example. They say dogs evolved from a wolf but it did not gain DNA when it changed from a wolf to a dog it lost DNA therefor it de-evolved. There are so many holes in the evolution theory it really has no stronger stance than creationalism. I believe in creationalism because it is my faith but I admit it can not be proven scientifically as most will also admit. Evolutionist try to say science backs up its belief when science has not proven that anything evolves into something else, we only know of things that de-evolved. Slight adaptions may happen but to say something jumped to a different species is really far fetched and their isn't any more evidence to support that than their is that some superior conscious being created us, weather it be God or some other conscious life form.
I personally believe in God but that is my own belief for personal reasons that are not set in science.

Okay. Now source all of that shit.

[Farnhamia]

This is a few months old, but someone showed this to me today, and I was shocked.

Only 15% of Americans fully believe in evolution. 46% reject it outright. And the latter number has risen by 6% from the year before.

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Source: Gallup

These are the sort of things that make me embarrassed to be American. This is 2013, not 1500. You would think that by now, most people would be able to accept basic science. I feel like if the religious right isn't stopped soon, we could be almost a theocracy in 20 or 30 years. Hopefully, something can change drastically. However, it's an understatement to say that I'm more than a little worried about the future of my country.


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What scares me is the extreme left who have no science to back their claims but want to destroy religion and leave people without a moral compass as people have shown they can not be trusted to guide themselves from a moral stand point. The study of string theory maybe be science but it hasn't been proven so to say that String Theory is science is wrong, it is Theory not fact. The let want us to except their theory as fact when it has no more bases in truth than the belief in God. At least the belief in God offers something . Do you ever seen groups of left wing scientist out helping the poor or contributing to anything but their own wants?

Nice. You have nothing but your "beliefs" so you start maligning people who disagree with you. Very Christian.

[Forster Keys]

That being my point...

There is zero evidence forces did or not, and a lack of evidence that is not really possible to prove anyway does not equal as proof against

No, but Occam's Razor.

Is getting rather blunt I imagine.

[Parhe]

Elaborate on the reasoning please. I have seen statemebts along these lines often on this forum but do not really understand it.

It means that anything concerning scientific research, your claims will not be included, because we must work under the assumption that your claim is false, since you do not have any evidence to substantiate your claim.

Ah ik cool,that explains.

Though the addition of the word you makes it seempersonal.

[NeuDeutschland]

Also the person who started this topic says they are embarrassed to be American because of these draconian religious beliefs but if you go anywhere else in the world religion has a much stronger influence on society. We are the least spiritual country in the world. So were would you go were religious isn't a common belief among the people and an important part of their lives whatever that religion might be. So is it only the strong left then that have "educated " brains and everyone else is suck in some out dated belief system? That's what your statement sounds like to me either that or you don't know anything about the cultures of the rest of the world.

[Parhe]

No, they dont.
15% agree with theory of evolution.
32% agree with theistic evolution.
53% agree with mumbo jumbo.

15% agree with theory of evolution.
32% agree with mumbo jumbo.
53% agree with a different kind of mumbo jumbo.

Actually, does not the poll leave 7% off the chart?

[Great Nepal]

Wrong. There is zero evidence that any supernatural forces have ever had any effect on evolution.

That being my point...

There is zero evidence forces did or not, and a lack of evidence that is not really possible to prove anyway does not equal as proof against

Lack of evidence means it cant be taken seriously in anything to do with science unless it is stated assumption.
There is no evidence that tea cup is not orbiting sun 200 meters from surface but I will still be laughed at if I suggested fluorine has properties which enable it to be invincible when 200 meters from sun's surface.

[Dyakovo]

Wrong. There is zero evidence that any supernatural forces have ever had any effect on evolution.

And there is no zero evidence that there hasn't been a God or any other deity involved. We can't know until after death.

Actually, the lack of evidence that has happened is evidence that it hasn't, so once again, you're wrong.

[Forster Keys]

Well there's no way to prove that I am not in fact a large crustacean with extremely flexible claws and a good sense of co-ordination.

Sure there is. *boils a large pot of water and waits to see how fast you run*

If only I could run in a straight, vertical line.

[Esternial]

What scares me is the extreme left who have no science to back their claims but want to destroy religion and leave people without a moral compass as people have shown they can not be trusted to guide themselves from a moral stand point. The study of string theory maybe be science but it hasn't been proven so to say that String Theory is science is wrong, it is Theory not fact. The let want us to except their theory as fact when it has no more bases in truth than the belief in God. At least the belief in God offers something . Do you ever seen groups of left wing scientist out helping the poor or contributing to anything but their own wants?

Nice. You have nothing but your "beliefs" so you start maligning people who disagree with you. Very Christian.

It's a common gambit. If you don't have evidence, you just start off aggressive enough so people are afraid to retort.

[Farnhamia]

Sure there is. *boils a large pot of water and waits to see how fast you run*

If only I could run in a straight, vertical line.

*starts melting butter*

[Esternial]

Also the person who started this topic says they are embarrassed to be American because of these draconian religious beliefs but if you go anywhere else in the world religion has a much stronger influence on society. We are the least spiritual country in the world. So were would you go were religious isn't a common belief among the people and an important part of their lives whatever that religion might be. So is it only the strong left then that have "educated " brains and everyone else is suck in some out dated belief system? That's what your statement sounds like to me either that or you don't know anything about the cultures of the rest of the world.

Neither do you.

[Parhe]

No, there is zero evidence that supernatural forces did anything. "Supernatural" outweighs "natural" in the extraordinariness category, therefore the burden, old chap, is yours.

The burden to proven the idea of a higher being should not be involved or studied with science and that science can neither disprove or prove a higher being? Should not be too hard I would think.

So sibce this burden is on me and several seem to disagree with my statement sumned up in the quote, why do people disagree? Always good to know the reasoning of itger perspectives.

[Enadail]

Your premise is false.

I love how the only way evolutionists and atheists can deny logical arguments for Christianity is telling them they are wrong.

Yet they provide no argument or reason that they are wrong.

Wow.

Mostly because I think there is a base assumption that if you're talking in a thread about evolution, you have SOME knowledge on what evolution is. There is nothing in that previous statement that reflects evolution, so simply calling it wrong is perfectly fine.

There was nothing logical about that post, nothing factual about that post. And I'm not about to give someone a lesson on evolution when they can just look it up online.

[Farnhamia]

No, there is zero evidence that supernatural forces did anything. "Supernatural" outweighs "natural" in the extraordinariness category, therefore the burden, old chap, is yours.

The burden to proven the idea of a higher being should not be involved or studied with science and that science can neither disprove or prove a higher being? Should not be too hard I would think.

Show us some evidence of this supernatural being that has been tested scientifically, where the results were positive. And not things that are not unexplained or understood, but actual evidence that Yahweh exists.

[Dyakovo]

And there is no zero evidence that there hasn't been a God or any other deity involved. We can't know until after death.

Well there's no way to prove that I am not in fact a large crustacean with extremely flexible claws and a good sense of co-ordination.

Of course there isn't... We have video of you showing that its true.

[Parhe]

What scares me is the extreme left who have no science to back their claims but want to destroy religion and leave people without a moral compass as people have shown they can not be trusted to guide themselves from a moral stand point. The study of string theory maybe be science but it hasn't been proven so to say that String Theory is science is wrong, it is Theory not fact. The let want us to except their theory as fact when it has no more bases in truth than the belief in God. At least the belief in God offers something . Do you ever seen groups of left wing scientist out helping the poor or contributing to anything but their own wants?

Nice. You have nothing but your "beliefs" so you start maligning people who disagree with you. Very Christian.

Very common on NS. Atheist for exampke do tge same bakc at greater magnitude, if only for their larger presence. What he is doing is very human regardless of religious beluefs.

[Individuality-ness]

What scares me is the extreme left who have no science to back their claims but want to destroy religion and leave people without a moral compass as people have shown they can not be trusted to guide themselves from a moral stand point.

Dafuq are you talking about? No one here has said that we wanted to get rid of religion.

The study of string theory maybe be science but it hasn't been proven so to say that String Theory is science is wrong, it is Theory not fact.

String theory is a hypothesis, IIRC. Also, please look up the scientific definition of "theory".

The let want us to except their theory as fact when it has no more bases in truth than the belief in God. At least the belief in God offers something .

No more bases in truth? What planet are you ON?!

Do you ever seen groups of left wing scientist out helping the poor or contributing to anything but their own wants?

Yes. We gave the world antibiotics, penicillin, vaccinations. Tesla wanted to give the world electricity (except that Edison was a fucking asshole). The Green Revolution allows us to grow more food than before.

Now get off your high horse and stop sprouting BS until you can source all of your bullshit.

[Enadail]

Also the person who started this topic says they are embarrassed to be American because of these draconian religious beliefs but if you go anywhere else in the world religion has a much stronger influence on society. We are the least spiritual country in the world. So were would you go were religious isn't a common belief among the people and an important part of their lives whatever that religion might be. So is it only the strong left then that have "educated " brains and everyone else is suck in some out dated belief system? That's what your statement sounds like to me either that or you don't know anything about the cultures of the rest of the world.

Yaaaaaah, no. Most of Europe is far less religious, and even when it is, it stays in the personal life, and is not involved in the public. Even countries with state churches are higher incidence of atheism, and less religion in public life. The idea that we're the least spiritual country on the planet may be true, but the least religious is laughable.

[Esternial]

I love how the only way evolutionists and atheists can deny logical arguments for Christianity is telling them they are wrong.

Yet they provide no argument or reason that they are wrong.

Wow.

Mostly because I think there is a base assumption that if you're talking in a thread about evolution, you have SOME knowledge on what evolution is. There is nothing in that previous statement that reflects evolution, so simply calling it wrong is perfectly fine.

There was nothing logical about that post, nothing factual about that post. And I'm not about to give someone a lesson on evolution when they can just look it up online.

Now he's trying to imply that we do the same thing they do.

Why is a religious debate always so predictable?

[Farnhamia]

Nice. You have nothing but your "beliefs" so you start maligning people who disagree with you. Very Christian.

Very common on NS. Atheist for exampke do tge same bakc at greater magnitude, if only for their larger presence. What he is doing is very human regardless of religious beluefs.

"You do it, too" is not a good reason for much of anything.

[Laerod]

Your premise is false.

I love how the only way evolutionists and atheists can deny logical arguments for Christianity is telling them they are wrong.

Yet they provide no argument or reason that they are wrong.

Wow.

Why waste my breath? There is more evidence for evolution than there is for something that didn't happen, that couldn't have happened. It's been out there for far longer than most of us have been alive, possibly even all of us. Clearly they don't want to see the truth, so no form of presenting it will change their mind and turn them from their path.

[Parhe]

The burden to proven the idea of a higher being should not be involved or studied with science and that science can neither disprove or prove a higher being? Should not be too hard I would think.

Show us some evidence of this supernatural being that has been tested scientifically, where the results were positive. And not things that are not unexplained or understood, but actual evidence that Yahweh exists.

Ah so you are one of those belueving god has a place in the study of science. Please explain why as I personally believe as I said in the quote you read that God has no place in it as there is no way to prove him using scuence.